Go forth with paused sale 26.4 --> 14

[Extevan]

Hello,

This is a reading in relation to the following previous post:

52.2.5 => 57 Accepting an offer

I have to make a preface to my enquiry: It’s been an incredibly stressful time for me and was about to take a semi-long vacation to regenerate and mostly to prevent a total breakdown. I explain the situation in a previous recent post for which I cast the coins to better understand if it was the...

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Weeks ago I received an offer for a property that I wasn't entirely convinced on selling. I was and am very battled about it and that previous reading seemed to suggest to post this sudden proposal on hold and so I did.
I went away for more than a week, and took my mind off of it. The break I took didn't fully replenish my energies nor suggested a more solid course of action for the matter at hand, this is due to many reasons that have to do with turbulent and stressed out internal state.

I hoped I bought quite more time for my decision, but just as I got back (only days ago) I find myself immediately hurried into the decisions by the potential buyers (this synchronicity also weirded me out). Now I am better but again pretty stressed out and feel that I am not fully at ease and calm enough to make such an important step. The point is that postponing could potentially vanish the opportunity.

So I asked if now it is good to go forth with the selling process. I got 26.4 --> 14. I have difficulties interpreting the whole reading: the primary hex seems to me about needing to quiet some more and building more energies before making a further step, the changing line seems favorable but I can't understand in what sense. I don't have much of a clue about the resulting hex.

Can you kindly give me some helpful insight with this reading?

Thank you!

 

[Liselle]

Would you rather not sell? In the other thread you said

I’m quite sure now that it needs be sold.

and

If I give up the offer it could be cause of great regret

Is your hesitation more emotional, logistical, or financial, or something else? In other words would selling it be a lot of work you're not capable of doing right now? Is the offer too low? Do you just not want
to sell even though you think you should?

26 to 14 - Great Farming's Great Treasure, the great treasure of greatly taming. Could this be about the proceeds? Would selling put you on a good financial footing? 26 is farming in contrast to hexagram 9, Small Farming. 9's farmer is always worried about the weather because he has no margin for error. 26's farmer is a good deal more secure - he can afford to "not eat at home."

The line is encouraging you to put a hornboard on a young bull:

26.4
'Young bull’s hornboard.
From the source, good fortune.'

This is to tame it. Hilary says in her book that this way the young bull doesn't use its horns, never learns to use them. And also that going to the trouble to tame it means it's worth the effort.

Do you know what the young bull might represent? You mention not being at ease enough to do this. I've never sold property and don't know what's involved.

I suppose if the young bull could be the selling process then putting a hornboard on it could mean delaying it more, but I'm not sure.

I don't have much of a clue about the resulting hex.

14 is Great Treasure, something you have. It can mean money, and sometimes specifically money as a means of exchange. But WikiWing reminds me that it can be a more spiritual concept than "just" having money in the bank. (Yi once referred to my cats with 14, and of course they are great treasures )

Hilary says in WikiWing that not dominating can also be translated as "not beating his drum" in case that might ring a bell.

 

[Extevan]

Would you rather not sell? In the other thread you said

and


Is your hesitation more emotional, logistical, or financial, or something else? In other words would selling it be a lot of work you're not capable of doing right now? Is the offer too low? Do you just not want
to sell even though you think you should?

26 to 14 - Great Farming's Great Treasure, the great treasure of greatly taming. Could this be about the proceeds? Would selling put you on a good financial footing? 26 is farming in contrast to hexagram 9, Small Farming. 9's farmer is always worried about the weather because he has no margin for error. 26's farmer is a good deal more secure - he can afford to "not eat at home."

The line is encouraging you to put a hornboard on a young bull:

26.4
'Young bull’s hornboard.
From the source, good fortune.'

This is to tame it. Hilary says in her book that this way the young bull doesn't use its horns, never learns to use them. And also that going to the trouble to tame it means it's worth the effort.

Do you know what the young bull might represent? You mention not being at ease enough to do this. I've never sold property and don't know what's involved.

I suppose if the young bull could be the selling process then putting a hornboard on it could mean delaying it more, but I'm not sure.


14 is Great Treasure, something you have. It can mean money, and sometimes specifically money as a means of exchange. But WikiWing reminds me that it can be a more spiritual concept than "just" having money in the bank. (Yi once referred to my cats with 14, and of course they are great treasures )

Hilary says in WikiWing that not dominating can also be translated as "not beating his drum" in case that might ring a bell.

I would rather stay at peace until I figured out what I really want to do, which is not the case right now
because I am being rushed and pushed. My hesitation is mostly emotional now cause this is stressing me out, the logistic are not defined yet but it’s probably the less pressing aspect, financially is a big question mark cause it could be very good or very bad choice and everything in between given the market and general implications of the current world situation. The offer’s gonna always be low due to market reasons, at least for several years to come. Rationally I mostly think it’s best to sell, but emotionally I don’t know, and I wouldn’t wanna do it now anyway. If I sell of course money would be coming in an put me in a better financial situation. I don’t know what the bull could be, the hex and line generally speak to me as to wait more in order to shape the best selling conditions (or decision against it?), cause the whole scenario is still a bit premature. Compared to the previous reading that felt clearly like it was not the time, this new reading could mean it is not quite the time yet, but almost is. The resulting hex ‘wealth’ I obviously interpret as the money coming in from the sale. But my interpretation is very shallow, this reading does not resonate deeply at the moment. That’s why I am asking for help in seeing deeper. Thank you for your input though!

 

[rosada]

26 advises listening to advice from those with more experience. Do you have a realtor you could talk to? 26.4 certainly sounds like advice to hold off but that could simply mean hold your worries in check by getting advice. You might also ask the I Ching how you should re-invest the money. Having a compelling vision for the future can help you know when and how to release the past.

 

[Liselle]

Rosada makes good points.

I think what she says about talking to people with more experience comes from the Image (is that right, Rosada?)

'Heaven dwells in the centre of the mountain. Great taming.
The noble one uses the many annals of ancient words and past deeds,
And accumulates her de.'

Hilary (WikiWing) says things like this:

Also, in a cave up the mountain, safely out of the way of natural disasters, you might
store your written knowledge. Noble one uses this to accumulate/ tame/ restrain/
nurture her own quality of character and personal power. As advice: both learn all you
can from your own past, and read.

And now that I notice, she comments about "delayed gratification" for both 26's oracle and line 4.

Oracle:

Great taming – as distinct from Hexagram 9’s ‘Small Taming’ – is done with an end in
mind. How to make the most of all this potential? What can it serve, or how can it be
useful? Fully engaging here and now – which can mean bringing emotions/ enthusiasm
under control with a longer-term objective in mind. Delaying gratification, in fact.

Line 4:

26 zhi Hexagram 14, Great Taming’s Great Possession is something stored up for the
future. Delayed gratification!

As Rosada points out, it's hard to tell if Yi's referring to the sale itself, or to you. But either way I don't think the reading's saying you need to hurry up and get this done. If you'd gotten 35 (another hexagram with big animals in it), it would mean make the most of the opportunity in front of you, take advantage of what you've been given, don't miss your chance. Even if we can't figure out exactly who/what the young bull is, I think at least we know that much. It's a young bull, not matured yet, not at the peak of its usefulness/ value/ etc. All the farmer in the line is supposed to do with it right now is tame it, train it, not breed it or slaughter it for its meat or anything.

 

[my_key]

26 <> 14
Looks like there is still some things that have to be brought together before the time is right for you to sell. You will know deeply when all the lights are green and the time is right to sell, however you find it hard to trust this process and your inner knowing.

... or it might mean nothing like this for you.

Good Luck.

 

[Extevan]

26 advises listening to advice from those with more experience. Do you have a realtor you could talk to? 26.4 certainly sounds like advice to hold off but that could simply mean hold your worries in check by getting advice. You might also ask the I Ching how you should re-invest the money. Having a compelling vision for the future can help you know when and how to release the past.

I have spoken to several realtors including a close relative. He in particularly says to well define the sale at my advantage and don’t miss this change. Asking for how to reinvest could a good input too. Thank you.

 

[Extevan]

26 <> 14
Looks like there is still some things that have to be brought together before the time is right for you to sell. You will know deeply when all the lights are green and the time is right to sell, however you find it hard to trust this process and your inner knowing.

... or it might mean nothing like this for you.

Good Luck.

I know I wish I could make a decision when all lights are green, but I am being rushed here.

 

[Extevan]

Rosada makes good points.

I think what she says about talking to people with more experience comes from the Image (is that right, Rosada?)

'Heaven dwells in the centre of the mountain. Great taming.
The noble one uses the many annals of ancient words and past deeds,
And accumulates her de.'

Hilary (WikiWing) says things like this:


And now that I notice, she comments about "delayed gratification" for both 26's oracle and line 4.

Oracle:


Line 4:


As Rosada points out, it's hard to tell if Yi's referring to the sale itself, or to you. But either way I don't think the reading's saying you need to hurry up and get this done. If you'd gotten 35 (another hexagram with big animals in it), it would mean make the most of the opportunity in front of you, take advantage of what you've been given, don't miss your chance. Even if we can't figure out exactly who/what the young bull is, I think at least we know that much. It's a young bull, not matured yet, not at the peak of its usefulness/ value/ etc. All the farmer in the line is supposed to do with it right now is tame it, train it, not breed it or slaughter it for its meat or anything.

The young bull could another person that owns part of the property and is determined to sell? I have the last word on it but could it be so? I honestly see the bull to be more fitting as the property itself, but in this case waiting for it to grow and develop would mean waiting much longer i.e. letting go of this proposal and wait for a new one when intentions will be more certain? What could be a more specific question to ask in order to see deeper into this? Thank you.

 

[rosada]

Random thought:
I see 14 in this reading as emphasizing there are many others involved in this situation.
Consider how 14. Possession in Great Measure follows 13. Fellowship with Men in The Wild.
So it is fellowship then leads to possessions - like when we know each other we share knowledge and experience thus increasing our possessions - and thus receiving 14 here seems to me to be a heads up to be aware that many other people's energies are involved your current experience, which could slow things down or make it difficult to read which way the energies are guiding you. Plus the property itself has a consciousness. For example, we love our house and feel our house chose us as much as we chose it. You might ask the I Ching what the property would like you to do.

 

[Liselle]

Thanks for the information about the other owner.

I don't know. There are 2 actors in the line text, the farmer who's doing the taming, and the young bull who's being tamed.

As Rosada says, there are several actors/entities in real life: you, the other owner, the buyer, maybe the decision as a thing itself, maybe the property as a thing itself, maybe general conditions as a thing, and so on.

Not sure what matches up with what. You can control the other owner since you have the final say... could that make you the farmer and the other owner the possibly-overly-energetic young bull? Could something else be controlling both of you?


But oh dear. Since you asked about questions, I went back and re-looked at the one you asked, and now I'm confused.

So I asked if now it is good to go forth with the selling process.

I'm not sure whether to read that as, "What if I sell?" (what is down that path), in which case Yi's saying "If you sell, you'll be doing 26-to-14 things and taming a valuable young bull" and so forth. Then the challenge is to see how a sale could be that in real life...

...or read it more as, "What about going ahead with this?" That's a more open question, asking for a general comment rather than the outcome. Then the answer could well be about letting it mature.

I think if it were me I might ask the opposite question, what if I don't sell. (Maybe try to avoid wording questions as yes/no, since Yi doesn't have hexagrams that exactly just mean "yes" or "no.")

 

[Extevan]

Thanks for the information about the other owner.

I don't know. There are 2 actors in the line text, the farmer who's doing the taming, and the young bull who's being tamed.

As Rosada says, there are several actors/entities in real life: you, the other owner, the buyer, maybe the decision as a thing itself, maybe the property as a thing itself, maybe general conditions as a thing, and so on.

Not sure what matches up with what. You can control the other owner since you have the final say... could that make you the farmer and the other owner the possibly-overly-energetic young bull? Could something else be controlling both of you?


But oh dear. Since you asked about questions, I went back and re-looked at the one you asked, and now I'm confused.



I'm not sure whether to read that as, "What if I sell?" (what is down that path), in which case Yi's saying "If you sell, you'll be doing 26-to-14 things and taming a valuable young bull" and so forth. Then the challenge is to see how a sale could be that in real life...

...or read it more as, "What about going ahead with this?" That's a more open question, asking for a general comment rather than the outcome. Then the answer could well be about letting it mature.

I think if it were me I might ask the opposite question, what if I don't sell. (Maybe try to avoid wording questions as yes/no, since Yi doesn't have hexagrams that exactly just mean "yes" or "no.")

@rosada @Liselle there are definitely several part involved in this, at least 5, and I know the aims of maybe a half of the parties involved, so yes there's many energies moving.

So I asked:

What does the property wants me to do? 30.3 —> 21
Which once again involves an animal. The concept of docility, which I might interpret as following the flow (thus selling?), the changing line maybe warns about complaining too much for this situation? I have no clue about the resulting hex.

What will happen to me I we sell now? 24.5 —> 3
Go on with no excuses (line 5)? As this intention to sale is a turning point for the better that will bring a new start, but not without difficulties at the beginning (resulting 3)?

What will happen to me if we don’t sell now? 13.2 —> 1
Line 2 says about regret for forming union with a relative. Might it be keeping the property with the other owner (a close relative) could be the damaging result of not going on with the sale? I am clueless about the original and resulting hexes...

I am very uncertain of what these further readings could really mean. I kindly ask for your help in interpreting. Thank you.

 

[Liselle]

What does the property wants me to do? 30.3 —> 21
Which once again involves an animal.

It does! Taking good care of your cows.

30 changing to 21 - having awareness, becoming clear about something, but then vigorously doing something with it, and quickly. Bite through with power, get to grips with things. You have powerful jaws, use them.

the changing line maybe warns about complaining too much for this situation? I have no clue about the resulting hex.

'In the light of the setting sun,
If not beating a pot and singing,
Then you will be making the lament of great old age.
Pitfall.'

I don't think it means not to complain. I think it means if you don't make noise and sing exuberently now, you'll "lament" later (you'll be upset and sad and regret it).

It starts out reminding you the sun is setting. Maybe that's the buyer losing interest, as you've worried he might.

What will happen to me I we sell now? 24.5 —> 3
Go on with no excuses (line 5)? As this intention to sale is a turning point for the better that will bring a new start, but not without difficulties at the beginning (resulting 3)?

I'd say the same thing about the hexagrams, but I don't think the line is about excuses.

'Great-hearted return.
No regrets.'

Hexagram 3 is about a sprout. Since it's a sprout, it doesn't have any past to regret, which is why it says "no regrets." Great-hearted: Hilary describes this as "generosity of spirit" - since we are people and not sprouts, we do have a past, and might not want to lose it. But 24.5 is not the time for that - it's time to act like a sprout, who's just happy to see where he might want to go next. (I've had at least one reading with this line where I had to have a little courage to do this successfully. It would have been more comfortable in the short run - but not the long run - not to sprout.)

Also, line positions have meaning. This is the 5th line position, the line of the king. One thing that sets kings apart is they have more power of choice than the rest of us often do. I remember in my example I had to actually decide to be great-hearted.

What will happen to me if we don’t sell now? 13.2 —> 1
Line 2 says about regret for forming union with a relative. Might it be keeping the property with the other owner (a close relative) could be the damaging result of not going on with the sale?

I think that's exactly right. You'd be in the temple with your family, but when you get this line, Yi's telling you that's shameful. (I can't explain hexagram 1 in the background either.)

 

[Extevan]

It does! Taking good care of your cows.

30 changing to 21 - having awareness, becoming clear about something, but then vigorously doing something with it, and quickly. Bite through with power, get to grips with things. You have powerful jaws, use them.


'In the light of the setting sun,
If not beating a pot and singing,
Then you will be making the lament of great old age.
Pitfall.'

I don't think it means not to complain. I think it means if you don't make noise and sing exuberently now, you'll "lament" later (you'll be upset and sad and regret it).

It starts out reminding you the sun is setting. Maybe that's the buyer losing interest, as you've worried he might.


I'd say the same thing about the hexagrams, but I don't think the line is about excuses.

'Great-hearted return.
No regrets.'

Hexagram 3 is about a sprout. Since it's a sprout, it doesn't have any past to regret, which is why it says "no regrets." Great-hearted: Hilary describes this as "generosity of spirit" - since we are people and not sprouts, we do have a past, and might not want to lose it. But 24.5 is not the time for that - it's time to act like a sprout, who's just happy to see where he might want to go next. (I've had at least one reading with this line where I had to have a little courage to do this successfully. It would have been more comfortable in the short run - but not the long run - not to sprout.)

Also, line positions have meaning. This is the 5th line position, the line of the king. One thing that sets kings apart is they have more power of choice than the rest of us often do. I remember in my example I had to actually decide to be great-hearted.


I think that's exactly right. You'd be in the temple with your family, but when you get this line, Yi's telling you that's shameful. (I can't explain hexagram 1 in the background either.)

Thank you! Your input is of great help in refining my interpretation of these casts.

I spent some more time trying to attune to what I feel about the whole matter. It’s still difficult but bit by bit but I am getting myself clearer. I am also asking the Iching about several situations that might be affected by the decision.

For example I asked how the sale would affect a relationship I have with someone I care about, a love interest that I was planning on spending some time with in the property, so if it gets sold it would imply a change of plans (can’t get too much into details). I got 50.1 —> 14. What could it mean? It seems to me that the sale would improve our relationship by cleansing the unnecessary elements (line 1) into plentifulness (hex 14). So basically a good outcome in case of sale even for said relationship. Would you agree?

 

[Liselle]

Maybe, or maybe the love interest will realize you did what was necessary even if it's not the ideal, perfect situation.

 

[my_key]

I also asked how the sale would affect a relationship I have with someone I care about, .... I got 50.1 —> 14.

Hi Extevan
Looking back over this thread it does look like you are looking to cover all your bases. When you get a response from Yi you then look for another question so that you can delay or avoid acting upon the wisdom already imparted to you. There still looks to be the lack of trust. Something that you are juggling with that was revealed as part of your original query that returned 26 <>14. (post #6)

Now you are off down another line. No doubt this relationship is dear to your and you need to give it consideration, however I am reminded in this thread of the Abraham Lincoln quote

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time”.

So onto you latest consultation.

50 < >14 provides a context of new connections (14) that are becoming available for you and through engaging with these new connections comes opportunities for you to grasp renewal (50).

You are being tested when considering the impact of the sale on others to become more discriminating about what is right for you. Maybe you have put consideration of others too highly on your agenda in the past. Maybe even at the expense of your own requirements or wellbeing. Now may be the time to put that old approach behind you.

Line 50.1 is asking you to take the first step into a brand new experience just for you. It is offering you chance to really get to grips with what it is you hold true. Yi invites you not to approach this situation from a place of old perspectives. Rather, find a way that requires you to walk down a path which is your very own chosen path. Although it might be difficult to follow, it is one firmly based in you deciding what is right for you in the long term.

Hex 50 carries a strong sense of transformation in which you are guided towards correcting your situation to solidify your fate (Karcher). A way which, if followed, leads you towards your truth and taking full responsibility for your self. Hex 14 offers the manifestation of a Great Harvest for you.

... or, of course, it might mean nothing at all like this for you.

Good Luck

 

[Extevan]

I reopen this thread with an update. Sadly I/we went on with the sale and it's been a disaster since the first step. In terms of the regrets I've been having after the signing, and in terms of practical/economical stuff regarding it that keep on happening, like problems in a process that is being everything but smooth and favorable.

as per one reading in the post above asking what does the house wanted me to do:

'In the light of the setting sun,
If not beating a pot and singing,
Then you will be making the lament of great old age.
Pitfall.'

I don't think it means not to complain. I think it means if you don't make noise and sing exuberently now, you'll "lament" later (you'll be upset and sad and regret it).

It happened exactly like this. I didn't state openly my true desire of not selling (beating my drum) and let my self be guided by others involved, the result has been 4 months of excruciating regret and me lamenting (crying) as an old man. I can't still believe this was so on point.

Now I am a month away from the final signing to seal the deal and leave the house. I am so all against going through this finalization, it's like leavening this would crush many possibilities and dreams that involved the house as a tool. Renouncing now could entail severe financial consequence and legal actions against us as stated by lawyers. But could still be done, at a great price.

So once again I asked the oracle "what will happen to me if I stop the sale now?".
The result was 8.1.3 => 63.

I am baffled and don't understand this at all. Could you help with this?

That was the general question about the situation. then I also asked "what happens if I go to talk to buyer?" (in order to make her reason and try to nullify the deal without too dire consequences).

I got 54.3 => 34. Which seems to be more clear, saying I am now in a position of lessened power and would not be able to exert any change of mind in the buyer.

What do you think about those readings?


Thanks!

 

[Liselle]

Oh no. I'm sorry this has gone all wrong, and I'm sorry about my part in it.

If I have chance I'll try to look back and see what I misunderstood.

I'm really wary about making any more guesses (and you probably shouldn't listen to them anyway!), but I suppose I'll try if you'll take it with many grains of salt.

54.3 to 34 ... apart from the reading, can you think of bad things that could happen by talking to her? Any ways that could make things worse? Maybe really think about that - if you can imagine ways that talking to her could make things worse, then you don't want to do it unless you know how to avoid or fix the problems.

Guesses about the reading -

"Marrying maiden waiting, Turns it round and marries as second wife."

- it doesn't sound like an absolute disaster, I don't think. Someone without power or influence waits...then makes some sort of marriage. I don't have personal experience with this line that sticks out to me, but I have the impression from reading things that being a secondary wife is a step up from the current position. Not all the way up - not the first wife - but some sort of improvement.

It does start by saying "wait," though. Wait for what, is the next question. Maybe there are clues in 34, Great Vigor.

Wait and see if there's anything that could put you in a stronger position? From what you're saying, it doesn't sound like that's possible, but what is supposed to happen in the next month? Could anything possibly happen that would improve things?


Also wondering if there's any chance that no matter how upset you are now, in the long run you won't be as upset even if the sale does go through? I'm mostly saying that because it's a logical possibility (by which I mean a math-type possibility - one that could be put on a list theoretically).

But I suppose it could be a way of marrying as a second wife, a small but noticeable improvement over how things are now.

8.1 also sounds encouraging (somehow)...

8.1.3 changes to 63, Seeking Union with Commitment. There's a commitment, the sale is underway. You asked what will happen to you if you stop it now.

8 joins the stream and flows along with it willingly. It's not forced joining, like 8's pair 7, The Army. It seems reminiscent of the marrying maiden waiting. Flow along, wait to see what happens and where you go.

8.1 says
"With truth and confidence, seeking union,
No mistake.
With truth and confidence to overflow the vessel
An end comes - further good fortune."

Not a mistake to seek union confidently. Then there's an end (shades of 63?), and further good fortune (shades of marrying as second wife?).

I have no idea, in real life, what the "end" is - whether you actually won't regret selling, or something will happen before the sale is complete, or some other ending. 63 is underway but it does have to watch out for trouble en route.

8.3: "Seeking union with non-people"... what or who are they? The process itself? Doesn't sound promising, maybe unless it could mean you have to act like a non-person in order to join with non-people - match them at their own non-person game or something.

This is wild guessing, and I have no idea how to put the two lines together, nor how to put the two readings together.

I suppose 8.3 could have anticipated you wanting to talk to the buyer. You sound like you hope to convince her person-to-person. 8.3 might mean that won't work (IF Yi was anticipating your next question... sometimes it does, but that's a lot of "ifs").

 

[Extevan]

Oh no. I'm sorry this has gone all wrong, and I'm sorry about my part in it.

If I have chance I'll try to look back and see what I misunderstood.

I'm really wary about making any more guesses (and you probably shouldn't listen to them anyway!), but I suppose I'll try if you'll take it with many grains of salt.

54.3 to 34 ... apart from the reading, can you think of bad things that could happen by talking to her? Any ways that could make things worse? Maybe really think about that - if you can imagine ways that talking to her could make things worse, then you don't want to do it unless you know how to avoid or fix the problems.

Guesses about the reading -

"Marrying maiden waiting, Turns it round and marries as second wife."

- it doesn't sound like an absolute disaster, I don't think. Someone without power or influence waits...then makes some sort of marriage. I don't have personal experience with this line that sticks out to me, but I have the impression from reading things that being a secondary wife is a step up from the current position. Not all the way up - not the first wife - but some sort of improvement.

It does start by saying "wait," though. Wait for what, is the next question. Maybe there are clues in 34, Great Vigor.

Wait and see if there's anything that could put you in a stronger position? From what you're saying, it doesn't sound like that's possible, but what is supposed to happen in the next month? Could anything possibly happen that would improve things?


Also wondering if there's any chance that no matter how upset you are now, in the long run you won't be as upset even if the sale does go through? I'm mostly saying that because it's a logical possibility (by which I mean a math-type possibility - one that could be put on a list theoretically).

But I suppose it could be a way of marrying as a second wife, a small but noticeable improvement over how things are now.

8.1 also sounds encouraging (somehow)...

8.1.3 changes to 63, Seeking Union with Commitment. There's a commitment, the sale is underway. You asked what will happen to you if you stop it now.

8 joins the stream and flows along with it willingly. It's not forced joining, like 8's pair 7, The Army. It seems reminiscent of the marrying maiden waiting. Flow along, wait to see what happens and where you go.

8.1 says
"With truth and confidence, seeking union,
No mistake.uatio
With truth and confidence to overflow the vessel
An end comes - further good fortune."

Not a mistake to seek union confidently. Then there's an end (shades of 63?), and further good fortune (shades of marrying as second wife?).

I have no idea, in real life, what the "end" is - whether you actually won't regret selling, or something will happen before the sale is complete, or some other ending. 63 is underway but it does have to watch out for trouble en route.

8.3: "Seeking union with non-people"... what or who are they? The process itself? Doesn't sound promising, maybe unless it could mean you have to act like a non-person in order to join with non-people - match them at their own non-person game or something.

This is wild guessing, and I have no idea how to put the two lines together, nor how to put the two readings together.

I suppose 8.3 could have anticipated you wanting to talk to the buyer. You sound like you hope to convince her person-to-person. 8.3 might mean that won't work (IF Yi was anticipating your next question... sometimes it does, but that's a lot of "ifs").

This is no fault of your own. Forget about it. What really happened is that in a situation of me being at my lowest energy, I have been forced into a decision that required energies well beyond my capabilities. I really couldn't connect with my true self and desire nor could I protect my boundaries.

It's a lesson that I don't know if it will bring something positive or crush me for good. I feel like it's the second.

As per the readings I really can't make anything of them. I also resorted to a tarot reader and several alternative practitioner to get help with this situation. They all say this is not the end rather a possibility for new openings. Really hard to accept the idea in such a despair mood though.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Liselle]

As per the readings I really can't make anything of them. I also resorted to a tarot reader and several alternative practitioner to get help with this situation. They all say this is not the end rather a possibility for new openings. Really hard to accept the idea in such a despair mood though.

Well at least we're all basically saying the same thing...

Have woken up this morning thinking if it was me with these readings, I might hold tight for now, maybe spend some time thinking through various options but not actually do much. That seems like it could be a way to combine waiting (what seems like the first step in 54.3 to 34) with joining-in with the stream (8 to 63). Pay great attention to everything that goes on, though, and evaluate it for whether it might help you.

Is there anyone else you could talk to who just has your interests at heart? Do you have a lawyer of your own? Could you tell him/her that you regret selling and ask for advice? Ask if they know of any way the deal could fall apart on its own in the next month, if there are any steps of the process that might yet not go through - and/or what your options are now and what they'd cost you?

Maybe you've already done that, though.

I certainly don't know, but I wonder if talking to the the buyer directly would be acting too much like a first wife which you're not supposed to do in 8.3. Seems like she's the principal player in the transaction, and maybe a "non-person" per 8.3. If you have a lawyer of your own, maybe you could ask him/her about it and see what they think.

 

[Extevan]

Have woken up this morning thinking if it was me with these readings, I might hold tight for now, maybe spend some time thinking through various options but not actually do much. That seems like it could be a way to combine waiting (what seems like the first step in 54.3 to 34) with joining-in with the stream (8 to 63). Pay great attention to everything that goes on, though, and evaluate it for whether it might help you.

I am paying attention and there are signs I have no capability of interpreting. Also time is not on my side.

Is there anyone else you could talk to who just has your interests at heart? Do you have a lawyer of your own? Could you tell him/her that you regret selling and ask for advice? Ask if they know of any way the deal could fall apart on its own in the next month, if there are any steps of the process that might yet not go through - and/or what your options are now and what they'd cost you?

The ones that are assisting me are against my decision of going back. So not really assisting. Some professionals say it might be suicide to do so, others are less bleak but quite a lot of loss would be involved in any case.

I certainly don't know, but I wonder if talking to the the buyer directly would be acting too much like a first wife which you're not supposed to do in 8.3. Seems like she's the principal player in the transaction, and maybe a "non-person" per 8.3. If you have a lawyer of your own, maybe you could ask him/her about it and see what they think.

The buyer really does sound like "non-person", if by that we mean lack of empathy and a penchant for control and selfishness.



I thank you a lot for taking this at heart. You're definitely a Person.

 

[Extevan]

Well at least we're all basically saying the same thing...

Have woken up this morning thinking if it was me with these readings, I might hold tight for now, maybe spend some time thinking through various options but not actually do much. That seems like it could be a way to combine waiting (what seems like the first step in 54.3 to 34) with joining-in with the stream (8 to 63). Pay great attention to everything that goes on, though, and evaluate it for whether it might help you.

Is there anyone else you could talk to who just has your interests at heart? Do you have a lawyer of your own? Could you tell him/her that you regret selling and ask for advice? Ask if they know of any way the deal could fall apart on its own in the next month, if there are any steps of the process that might yet not go through - and/or what your options are now and what they'd cost you?

Maybe you've already done that, though.

I certainly don't know, but I wonder if talking to the the buyer directly would be acting too much like a first wife which you're not supposed to do in 8.3. Seems like she's the principal player in the transaction, and maybe a "non-person" per 8.3. If you have a lawyer of your own, maybe you could ask him/her about it and see what they think.

An update: I talked to buyer who says is not willing to go back with the sale. Legal sues might ensue if I decide to do so. There's little more than a month to the final legal act for the sale, during which I can still decide to stop it all, but with the possible consequences aforementioned: hardship, sues, financial loss and problems with my family involved in this.

So I asked once again: what could the stopping of the sale bring to me?

Result: 34.2 to 55

I gather it's all about persevering and success in persevering. Even the changing line suggests that and resulting hex is about aboundance. How could this be such a turn around given the circumstances look very dire in this option? Could it mean something else, like the great man has to restrain his power?

I am once again lost with this reading. Any opinion is well welcomed. Thank you.

 

[Liselle]

So am I lost and confused. All I can think of are

1. something will yet happen that will work in your favor
2. Yi's not answering the question but instead suggesting you be constant to what's already underway, and in the long run selling will turn out to be good for you, no matter how it seems now
3. you really ought to stop it

(1) seems increasingly unlikely, but who knows.
(2) might well be. It seems the most likely to me. Think about 55. The person in 55 was about to wage war, a big, scary, risky undertaking. Naturally he had doubts. 55 is the relating hexagram so most likely reflects how you're feeling, not the objective reality. (That's what relating hexagrams most often do.) And in any event, 55 was a victory and ended with a new and better regime.
(3) just seems fraught with peril, unless someone who knows could explain to you how to do it without being sued and so on, if such a thing even exists.

 

[Extevan]

So am I lost and confused. All I can think of are

1. something will yet happen that will work in your favor
2. Yi's not answering the question but instead suggesting you be constant to what's already underway, and in the long run selling will turn out to be good for you, no matter how it seems now
3. you really ought to stop it

(1) seems increasingly unlikely, but who knows.
(2) might well be. It seems the most likely to me. Think about 55. The person in 55 was about to wage war, a big, scary, risky undertaking. Naturally he had doubts. 55 is the relating hexagram so most likely reflects how you're feeling, not the objective reality. (That's what relating hexagrams most often do.) And in any event, 55 was a victory and ended with a new and better regime.
(3) just seems fraught with peril, unless someone who knows could explain to you how to do it without being sued and so on, if such a thing even exists.

I am lost as you are. Maybe another cast with another question could help?

 

[Liselle]

Do you have one in mind?

All I could think of is asking what if you let the sale happen, since you've been mostly wondering about stopping it, but turns out you already asked that back in post 12 and got 24.5 to 3.

 

[Extevan]

Do you have one in mind?

All I could think of is asking what if you let the sale happen, since you've been mostly wondering about stopping it, but turns out you already asked that back in post 12 and got 24.5 to 3.

24.5 was about what happened if selling. What do you think about it? there's mentions of return.

 

[Liselle]

Was it 24 line 5 changing to 3, or 24 line 3 changing to 36?

If it's 24.5 to 3 I think it could be affirming in its way, though not without difficulty. Relating hexagram 3 is Sprouting or Difficulty at the Beginning, and that'll be how it feels to you.
"Great-hearted return.
No regrets."
I have an example in WikiWing about how maybe this calls for courage, "heart" in that sense. The example was about letting opportunities pass by me in hopes of better ones. It was nerve-wracking but it worked out well in the end.

That's only one example, though.

 

[Extevan]

Was it 24 line 5 changing to 3, or 24 line 3 changing to 36?

If it's 24.5 to 3 I think it could be affirming in its way, though not without difficulty. Relating hexagram 3 is Sprouting or Difficulty at the Beginning, and that'll be how it feels to you.
"Great-hearted return.
No regrets."
I have an example in WikiWing about how maybe this calls for courage, "heart" in that sense. The example was about letting opportunities pass by me in hopes of better ones. It was nerve-wracking but it worked out well in the end.

That's only one example, though.

it was 24.5. So you mean the opportunity of selling should have let go by, renouncing it and keeping the house, just wait for better things to come? In this interpretation it would be every oracle telling me not to sell. And I misunderstood them completely . I am so much in pain for this.

 

[Extevan]

it was 24.5. So you mean the opportunity of selling should have let go by, renouncing it and keeping the house, just wait for better things to come? In this interpretation it would be every oracle telling me not to sell. And I misunderstood them completely . I am so much in pain for this.

And I asked "How could I stop the sale" and 26.4 -> 14 came out!!! It's the original hex and line I had for the first question of this thread in post #1, where I was asking if I it was good to go on with sale. I am really baffled at this coincidence. What could it mean???

 

[Liselle]

I don't know what to make of this.

The repetition is probably important. I don't know if Yi's reminding you of the first reading to make some sort of point, or if it's fresh advice.

The questions are opposites, first "So I asked if now it is good to go forth with the selling process" and now how you can stop it. Yi says the same about both.
'Young bull's headboard.
From the source, good fortune.'

We still don't know who or what the young bull is, do we? The sale itself, the people involved, someone's aggression? At any rate the headboard is to prevent horns from being used.

Maybe you got it twice for opposite questions because it'll end the same no matter what? Just making guesses, I really have no idea.