Going for it! Hex 27.5

[arabella]

As I'm in the mood for revelations I decided to go for it and, following on from a casting that has more or less convinced me to abandon a sedate and limited job and a regular paycheck for the vast unknown, I've enquired of the Yi:

What will my next career be?

I've heard that the Yi isn't into fortune telling but we really didn't beat about the bush here and I got a very straightforward casting with only one moving line:

Hexagram 27.5 becoming Hexagram 42.

It sounds like sedate wasn't the Yi's idea of a great future and is suggesting something unique, unusual and in some way enriching a la Hexagram 42. Money would be great and I wouldn't throw it away, but it's not the first priority to be honest since I know that cash and stability don't necessarily go hand in hand.

OK, here comes my sedan chair from the prior reading I suppose {23.6 that I posted a couple days ago]. But what model sedan? What does "rejecting the standard" really mean? What kind of career could this point to?

 

[modestlearner]

What will my next career be? Hexagram 27.5 becoming Hexagram 42.

Wilhelm on line 5: A man may be conscious of a deficiency in himself. He should be undertaking the nourishment of the people, but he has not the strength to do it. Thus he must turn from his accustomed path and beg counsel and help from a man who is spiritually his superior but undistinguished outwardly. If he maintains this attitude of mind perseveringly, success and good fortune are his.

But he must remain aware of his dependence. He must not put his own person forward nor attempt great labors, such as crossing the great water.

Is Yi the "spiritually superior but undistinguished outwardly" man?
Is this a cast about process rather than the actual answer??? Yi Humour....?

Modest Learner.

 

[tifa]

Hello Arabella,

If this comment helps....

I see line 5 in hexagram 27 as teamwork and social networking. You would have to go out and interact with people to get a job which "nourishes " you. It also suggest determination and having faith in yourself to find the next career.

Hope it helps.

 

[Trojina]

As I'm in the mood for revelations I decided to go for it and, following on from a casting that has more or less convinced me to abandon a sedate and limited job and a regular paycheck for the vast unknown, I've enquired of the Yi:

What will my next career be?

I've heard that the Yi isn't into fortune telling but we really didn't beat about the bush here and I got a very straightforward casting with only one moving line:

Hexagram 27.5 becoming Hexagram 42.

It sounds like sedate wasn't the Yi's idea of a great future and is suggesting something unique, unusual and in some way enriching a la Hexagram 42. Money would be great and I wouldn't throw it away, but it's not the first priority to be honest since I know that cash and stability don't necessarily go hand in hand.

OK, here comes my sedan chair from the prior reading I suppose {23.6 that I posted a couple days ago]. But what model sedan? What does "rejecting the standard" really mean? What kind of career could this point to?

its just going about getting a living in the less recognisedly 'normal ways'. That could be anything from gambling to writing a book to living in a yurt and eating wild rabbits.

It doesn't point to a type of career only to the fact you don't go the accepted 'normal' way in terms of what your society/cultures norms are. Its pretty general IMO

 

[arabella]

its just going about getting a living in the less recognisedly 'normal ways'. That could be anything from gambling to writing a book to living in a yurt and eating wild rabbits.

It doesn't point to a type of career only to the fact you don't go the accepted 'normal' way in terms of what your society/cultures norms are. Its pretty general IMO

Hi T, was just wondering where you are these days. My take on 27.5 is much like yours, so nice to have that confirmed. To me the casting says something about a new career being highly unconventional, which certainly rules out a number of professions but doesn't entirely narrow the field, as you say.

Hmmm.....Seems to be a lot about yurts lately in interpretations of the castings I've done. Maybe Mongolia is in the picture.

I'm actually in the throes of starting a book just now. It will be the third I've written and from what I know, not the easiest way to make a living. The first I'd ghost-written and was reasonably well paid. The second one was co-published and I got royally cheated. So, live and learn. This one is fictional and both of the others were non-fiction -- so an entirely new experience and I'm still trying to find the right voice. We shall see whether I can pull it off -- or not.

BTW I hate the taste of squirrels, rabbits, deer, and any other wild stuff, so I hope whatever happens about work that there is something else to look forward to on the menu!

 

[modestlearner]

Arabella,

All joking aside mischief, I saw it is fording a fjord. . .


Remember your original mood "As I'm in the mood for revelations I decided to go for it and, following on from a casting that has more or less convinced me to abandon a sedate and limited job and a regular paycheck for the vast unknown, I've enquired of the Yi:

What will my next career be?"

The Yi Book of Arabella Revelations

Feed your spirit (27), by setting out on an adventure a la the road less taken, using your intuition and spiritual guidance to chart a course that would result in you finding your unique place in the Universe that would make you realize the interdependence (oneness) of life; further, that this call that beckons you, will illustrate that the exact destination in not important (no crossing of the great stream), but the goal is the journey (this is all Wilhelm's line 5)...

If it looks like a mirror, acts like a mirror, it is a mirror! The Yi wants you to see what you really want????

Modest Learner. (A bit mischievous)

 

[Trojina]

Hi T, was just wondering where you are these days. My take on 27.5 is much like yours, so nice to have that confirmed. To me the casting says something about a new career being highly unconventional, which certainly rules out a number of professions but doesn't entirely narrow the field, as you say.

Hmmm.....Seems to be a lot about yurts lately in interpretations of the castings I've done. Maybe Mongolia is in the picture.

I'm actually in the throes of starting a book just now. It will be the third I've written and from what I know, not the easiest way to make a living. The first I'd ghost-written and was reasonably well paid. The second one was co-published and I got royally cheated. So, live and learn. This one is fictional and both of the others were non-fiction -- so an entirely new experience and I'm still trying to find the right voice. We shall see whether I can pull it off -- or not.

BTW I hate the taste of squirrels, rabbits, deer, and any other wild stuff, so I hope whatever happens about work that there is something else to look forward to on the menu!

As with all answers in Yi tune it down about 75% and you are nearer the mark. This doesn't have to mean anything highly unconventional. I've had it simply for going about things slightly differently or outside of what is usual good sense which can include getting by on credit cards or living off car boot sale proceeds or not making any money at all but selling ones house and living on the money. 27 is often highly practical, about where the next income comes from. In your shoes I'd be open to it coming any old way...even not from a 'career' at all. Afterall a career or job is where money usually comes from and 27.5 shows it not coming in the usual ways so I think I'd even question getting a main income from these usual ways


I think because Yis answers are dramatic we can over emphasise them...we need to scale them down to the question. For example often people here predict 51 as this massive shock coming when it isn't at all...I think in general one can see in hindsight answers would have made alot more sense if we hadn't given them epic proportions

 

[arabella]

As with all answers in Yi tune it down about 75% and you are nearer the mark. This doesn't have to mean anything highly unconventional. I've had it simply for going about things slightly differently or outside of what is usual good sense which can include getting by on credit cards or living off car boot sale proceeds or not making any money at all but selling ones house and living on the money. 27 is often highly practical, about where the next income comes from. In your shoes I'd be open to it coming any old way...even not from a 'career' at all. Afterall a career or job is where money usually comes from and 27.5 shows it not coming in the usual ways so I think I'd even question getting a main income from these usual ways


I think because Yis answers are dramatic we can over emphasise them...we need to scale them down to the question. For example often people here predict 51 as this massive shock coming when it isn't at all...I think in general one can see in hindsight answers would have made alot more sense if we hadn't given them epic proportions

Yes, good point. Because one issue is the focus of the casting, answers in terms of the Ancient Wisdom can appear rather earth shattering when the actual event/outcome isn't.

The thing that is of most interest to me is that there appears to be an answer, a possibility, even if it isn't what I would normally do or expect. Having a job -- bog standard in some cases -- is the norm for me. And right now, a job isn't forthcoming. It's hard not to panic if you're my personality, so a casting that says there is SOME answer helps keep the lid on.

 

[arabella]

I'm about to do a 180 degree turn here -- a gigantic flip-flop. What the hell was I thinking? Why not think big -- there's a whole universe out there. I don't agree that we should pare down our expectations and I never have done that in the past, and based on experience there is no reason to do it. Why not think that the world could be my oyster? Why believe that the Yi Ching is too hefty an interpreter for my dreams and I should take what it says with a grain of salt, that's its ideals are oversized? The only reason to think small is to avoid disappointment. I'd rather enjoy the idea of the immensity of life's potential.

I've always thrived by thinking as huge as I can and I've never yet been disappointed. Why not see the world -- all the worlds for that matter -- as intriguing, enormous and full of possibility? As human beings we've been on this planet any number of eons and we still can't understand the mysteries of birth and death -- both magical experiences -- who are we to minimise life and its potential and assume that the Yi doesn't speak to us in dramatic terms?

I am going to continue to believe that 27.5, and the rest of the Yi hold amazing answers and I won't scale that down. I want 90% -- or even 100% of the highly unconventional, I expect and revel in the highly unconventional of vast proportions. I have a big imagination and from what I know of science, the potential for me will mirror that, as said above by Modestlearner And if I shrink my ideas, the potential will shrink too. I'm thinking back to 23.6 and Bradford's quote from Sappho, and of that last fruit WAAAAAAY out on the limb. I think the Yi has said I may have that one if I try. I'm going to try. XO Arabella

 

[Trojina]

Scaling answers has absolutley nothing to do with denying grandeur in life...its about remembering proportion of answer in relation to question. And people are glad enough to remember this with rather troubling answers like for example 29.6 or 38.3....they can think something terrible is going to happen but in terms of their question which may be about which dentist or something its just a setback

You said you thought 27.5 meant a 'highly unconventional career' and all I'm saying with all honesty it really doesn't have to mean that....afterall a taxidermist is an 'unusual' career doesn't mean its desirable or grand ! Writing could or couldn't be said to 'unconventional' depending on your POV...lots of people do it...27 is basically about how we get nourished so 27.5 shows less usual ways for you to get nourished....that could mean alot of things


If all you want to hear are answers that flatter your sense of drama theres no point for me or you in my bothering answering you at all and I'm truly sorry I wasted my time and yours

bye bye

 

[arabella]

It's not really about flattering a sense of drama T, more needing a sense of fulfilliment. I understand what you're saying, but I agree with the "mirror" idea as well -- that what you can visualise you can achieve. What you expect is quite often what you get -- my experience anyway. And I need a breakthrough, not a trickle through, so I've got to begin with the very highest possibility in mind -- whether it's highly conventional or unconventional. If I wasn't in search of something inspiring, I'd just take the job that's in front of me -- that i know i'm not especially suited for.

Unconventional for "me" -- that will take some thought to say the least, so this almost HAS to be something extraordinary. I've had about fifty jobs already -- PR writer, advertising consultant, fashion model, English teacher, editor, technical writer, executive assistant, board secretary, documentary film writer, director of a daycare center, artist's agent, tour guide, author, journalist, music transposer, university research assistant, poet, risk manager, publishing consultant, purchasing agent, singer, pianist, corporate troubleshooter, pension fund administrator, gypsy fortune teller, stage manager, stage director, opera producer, sales clerk, strategic business consultant -- and sometimes three or four of them at once. It's really hard to say what would be unusual in relation to such a line-up. I'm intrigued and very hopeful.

In terms of logistics or practicality it's going to be hard to find a job here after having a bountiful choice for a number of years. I'm "out there" so to speak in a place where jobs are thin on the ground, the job culture is nothing I'm used to or prepared for, and it's a necessity to get creative -- so need to be winding it up for a big challenge, and keeping an extremely positive attitude that anything is possible.

 

[modestlearner]

I have been asking this before: how much does the querent's state of mind influence the Yi's reply? This comes into play here. I will tell you what I mean as I go on and as I attempt to bring different elements of the conversation together....

You said you wanted revelations... I think you got one, and I can show you how I got to the read that I had for the Yi's response if you would like on another post.

The practical aspect that Trojan refers to about 27 is representative of the natural dialectic when such a question as do I keep my day job/steady paycheck come up. What I have noticed is that the answer to this question is solely dependent on each individual's comfort zone and so maybe, too, this is reflected in our various interpretations...I don't know. I am throwing that out there.

27 is very practical -- getting nourishment, in this context could be about putting food on the table and the way you are going to do it...I think that is what Trojan is being mindful of.

For me, I was thinking of a higher order of nourishment---the feeding of the soul. The reason why I read Yi's reply this way was, in part, because of your mood at the time of your inquiry and of the intention behind your question. As much as the question was about career direction, it seemed that your question was in a way asking the Yi permission to leave behind the "9 to 5" and do what you really want to do in life. That is why I made that joke about turning to the Yi to "beg" guidance which is a play on Wilhel'm's translation of line 5 (see below). If you take apart my read, I merely took Wilhelm's work and parsed it together based on your question.

The other reason why I saw this is a more inspirational rather than practical response from Yi is because it went to 42, Increase. I mentally took the took hexes and put them together "Increase" "Nourishment" or "Getting Fed." This seemed to fit in a bit neater...

The truth is, who cares what the Yi says. You know what to do. You know why you want to do it. It is very interesting though when you read Wilhelm's description of line 5 how much it seems to mirror your desire for an adventure.

Again, your state of mind at the time of query overrode all other factors for me, but what Trojan says has merit.

Maybe the best way to bring all of this together is to say: Unconventional work which increases the feeding of the soul and the mouth.

Modest Learner.

Wilhelm line 5:
A man may be conscious of a deficiency in himself. He should be undertaking the nourishment of the people, but he has not the strength to do it. Thus he must turn from his accustomed path and beg counsel and help from a man who is spiritually his superior but undistinguished outwardly. If he maintains this attitude of mind perseveringly, success and good fortune are his.
But he must remain aware of his dependence. He must not put his own person forward nor attempt great labors, such as crossing the great water.

 

[arabella]

I have been asking this before: how much does the querent's state of mind influence the Yi's reply? This comes into play here. I will tell you what I mean as I go on and as I attempt to bring different elements of the conversation together....

You said you wanted revelations... I think you got one, and I can show you how I got to the read that I had for the Yi's response if you would like on another post.

The practical aspect that Trojan refers to about 27 is representative of the natural dialectic when such a question as do I keep my day job/steady paycheck come up. What I have noticed is that the answer to this question is solely dependent on each individual's comfort zone and so maybe, too, this is reflected in our various interpretations...I don't know. I am throwing that out there.

27 is very practical -- getting nourishment, in this context could be about putting food on the table and the way you are going to do it...I think that is what Trojan is being mindful of.

For me, I was thinking of a higher order of nourishment---the feeding of the soul. The reason why I read Yi's reply this way was, in part, because of your mood at the time of your inquiry and of the intention behind your question. As much as the question was about career direction, it seemed that your question was in a way asking the Yi permission to leave behind the "9 to 5" and do what you really want to do in life. That is why I made that joke about turning to the Yi to "beg" guidance which is a play on Wilhel'm's translation of line 5 (see below). If you take apart my read, I merely took Wilhelm's work and parsed it together based on your question.

The other reason why I saw this is a more inspirational rather than practical response from Yi is because it went to 42, Increase. I mentally took the took hexes and put them together "Increase" "Nourishment" or "Getting Fed." This seemed to fit in a bit neater...

The truth is, who cares what the Yi says. You know what to do. You know why you want to do it. It is very interesting though when you read Wilhelm's description of line 5 how much it seems to mirror your desire for an adventure.

Again, your state of mind at the time of query overrode all other factors for me, but what Trojan says has merit.

Maybe the best way to bring all of this together is to say: Unconventional work which increases the feeding of the soul and the mouth.

Modest Learner.

Wilhelm line 5:
A man may be conscious of a deficiency in himself. He should be undertaking the nourishment of the people, but he has not the strength to do it. Thus he must turn from his accustomed path and beg counsel and help from a man who is spiritually his superior but undistinguished outwardly. If he maintains this attitude of mind perseveringly, success and good fortune are his.
But he must remain aware of his dependence. He must not put his own person forward nor attempt great labors, such as crossing the great water.

Thank you for putting all of this together and making sense of the range of interpretation. It's easy to get lost in the detail when you are so undecided as I am about the right way to go. There are those who say I should be practical and something inside that says it doesn't matter. You are right, I am looking primarily for the spiritual answer and only secondarily for the monetary gain. I don't need a lot of money to get on -- but I need what feeds the soul first and foremost. That is the deficiency. Funny that you say, "who cares about the Yi, you know what you want to do." I do and I don't. It's a huge and scarey gamble not to be practical.

 

[modestlearner]

Arabella,

This may be beyond the scope of this forum, but, well it seems this conversation is developing here, so why not? I don't think anyone would object.

There is a poem by Rumi that roughly goes like this "Somewhere there is a field beyond right and wrong. I will meet you there." Here I would substitute your seeming dilemma, "Somewhere there is a field beyond risk and reason. I will meet you there (you meeting yourself)." Practical doesn't mean something not spiritual, right? Neither does risky mean spiritual. So what you are seeking is a practical way to be spiritual. That is the field beyond.

In my experience, the best things come when the heart and the mind are in alignment. Usually, though, there is at least one time when the Universe seems to demand that you jump first, think later. Is this one of them?

My experiencie is that If you admit the heart's truth on the inside--I want some adventure, I want to live in a new way, I want to make money while following my heart's desire, the mind will get convinced and conspire with the Universe to retrieve answers... This is the "Seek and ye shall find. Knock and the door shall be opened unto you."

You have nothing to lose right? So how can you get to the field beyond risk and reason? Perhaps the way the Yi can help is to ask something like: what can I do to know what I really want in this matter? or what method can i use to help me know? or...you get the idea. The question needs work, but you might find that you can use the Yi to divest yourself of fears, reveal your true desires. Though Trojan is right, Yi is very simple, direct, I have found a lot of profundity or we wouldn't all be spending hours of our precious lives writing and sharing about it. We would get our answer and go!

Modest Learner.

 

[arabella]

Arabella,

This may be beyond the scope of this forum, but, well it seems this conversation is developing here, so why not? I don't think anyone would object.

There is a poem by Rumi that roughly goes like this "Somewhere there is a field beyond right and wrong. I will meet you there." Here I would substitute your seeming dilemma, "Somewhere there is a field beyond risk and reason. I will meet you there (you meeting yourself)." Practical doesn't mean something not spiritual, right? Neither does risky mean spiritual. So what you are seeking is a practical way to be spiritual. That is the field beyond.

In my experience, the best things come when the heart and the mind are in alignment. Usually, though, there is at least one time when the Universe seems to demand that you jump first, think later. Is this one of them?

My experiencie is that If you admit the heart's truth on the inside--I want some adventure, I want to live in a new way, I want to make money while following my heart's desire, the mind will get convinced and conspire with the Universe to retrieve answers... This is the "Seek and ye shall find. Knock and the door shall be opened unto you."

You have nothing to lose right? So how can you get to the field beyond risk and reason? Perhaps the way the Yi can help is to ask something like: what can I do to know what I really want in this matter? or what method can i use to help me know? or...you get the idea. The question needs work, but you might find that you can use the Yi to divest yourself of fears, reveal your true desires. Though Trojan is right, Yi is very simple, direct, I have found a lot of profundity or we wouldn't all be spending hours of our precious lives writing and sharing about it. We would get our answer and go!

Modest Learner.

I've done the "jump first ask questions later" performance a couple times. My Dad used to say, "if a cat has nine lives then you're nine cats" so you can imagine. And that's probably the route to umpteen careers as well. How far can you push your luck? And yet -- do I really have any choice? To be honest, I'm not anxious for yet another career and if I had my dream come true I'd get a bit of a rest and a chance to reflect and grow wise -- something I've never bothered to do. A friend came here to see me last week, somebody I last saw at my husband's funeral and she asked me about the "grieving process" of having lost somebody so young and having young children and I had to tell her I had no idea about that because I'd never had time to do it. So that's on the list somewhere. It maybe sound ridiculous to say that there isn't time to reflect on your life, or even grieve a dead spouse, or that it requires money to have the "luxury" to be sad -- but how do people do it otherwise? i don't know.

Rumi's poetry is another story. There you can get lost for free. He is an old friend and another old friend in the States used to read the Mathnawi to me in Persian. Now there's a sound. But, failing that, I'll have Coleman Barks any day. Yes, good choice. In fact, I've just been reading "Feeling the Shoulder of the Lion" for the thousandth time. In other words -- I can truly relate.

Now about Wilhelm: A man may be conscious of a deficiency in himself. He should be undertaking the nourishment of the people, but he has not the strength to do it -- A huge frustration for me is not being able to help those I would like to, not having the resources and seeing no way to get them. I suppose many are in this condition right now.

You know what else is interesting and I just flashed on this tonight. Somebody I worked with in opera, probably the only truly psychic person I ever met, told me once about "meeting the patriarch" -- a prediction he made about someone who had the intelligence, motivation and wherewithal to share a creative revolution in my life. He even physically described this person and I know I've never met him, although I've worked with some very amazing people in various creative endeavours. Wouldn't it be great to meet him now when all I can see on my own is a big "Stop" sign? Meet him out there somewhere beyond risk and reason and get some new ideas and inspiration?

Anyway Modest Learner, what you are saying hits a chord and I know it's time to aim for the moon once again, as impossible as that seems. As the axiom says, aim for the moon and the worst thing that can happen is that you land among the stars. Thanks for the encouragement.

 

[arabella]

I've just been reading through this thread and I must apologise to Trojan, who was trying to help with an honest opinion and I sound like quite a twit here. Sorry T., I am trying to give myself a pep talk and pull together some sense of self-inspiration -- but went a bit too far with the self-affirmations at your expense. Sorry!!

XO Arabella

 

[Trojina]

I've just been reading through this thread and I must apologise to Trojan, who was trying to help with an honest opinion and I sound like quite a twit here. Sorry T., I am trying to give myself a pep talk and pull together some sense of self-inspiration -- but went a bit too far with the self-affirmations at your expense. Sorry!!

XO Arabella

No problem me twit too I realised later you may have thought when I said be open to money coming in 'any old way' that I was suggesting you just take any option regardless of its quality...I didn't mean that, the scale thing was a purely 'technical' point.

If you used Karchers Total I Ching for line commentaries for example you'd think, or rather anyone would think, that either one was on the brink of some 'shining glorious time'...or had to leave harmful associations immediately ! Whilst sometimes these descriptions obviously are applicable I find them so OTT I have to rescale to get any use from them. One thing I like about Hilarys, Brads, and Lises commentaries is that they are worded in such a way as to make them applicable to all kinds of levels of question...scale isn't imposed

One is going ones own way in 27.5, that always carries some danger because one is operating outside norms....sometimes operating outside norms can mean being somewhat status less in the eyes of society but more free in spirit. Which isn't to say thats what it will mean for you here...it could well mean literally an unusual new career...its hard to say

 

[arabella]

Yes, as just explained in my "scene of the crime" thread I am feeling status-less already and have been feeling that way for a while -- as I roll up the end of the present job. It's even a mystery why exactly the job ended and now I'm faced with a big "blank." So, make the best of it -- what is the option? Well, you know where I am and jobs up here aren't so abundant and are generally "unusual" especially in relation to my variety of skills. It will take some thinking what to do. Right now, I'm taking a break, meditating, catching up with myself and just trying to calm down and get my head on frontward.