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Karcher completely bought into his interpretation of 55
Not really: he put SJM in the bibliography, when he would have preferred a vote of thanks at the front. (I think - I was never quite clear on what he wanted.) SK apologised and promised acknowledgements in the next printing. One from the annals of Great Stinks We Have Hosted.he tried to make it his own without attribution.
Ah. Actually, in 2010 I cheerfully talked about eclipses. Then I read Pankenier on the subject of Marshall and decided discretion (and 'startling anomalies'!) was the better part of valour.
By and large, I say what I have in mind , but please do quote anything you'd like me to say more about.
Looking at Karcher's Total I Ching this morning, to his credit (or not to his credit) in his interpretation / commentary Karcher doesn't offer footnotes, references, etc. along the way. It seems that he gleaned a lot of stuff from many different, wide-ranging sources. As Hilary noted, Marshall's book is listed in the bibliography, along with lots of other books, people and sources.he put SJM in the bibliography,
Not really: he put SJM in the bibliography, when he would have preferred a vote of thanks at the front. (I think - I was never quite clear on what he wanted.) SK apologised and promised acknowledgements in the next printing. One from the annals of Great Stinks We Have Hosted.
No problem! Full timeline:... what caught my attention was what you said above about 'startling anomalies' and how you may have arrived at them (maybe via something Pankenier said) - and also Irfan liking what you said. I felt like I didn't know the whole 'story' here, so it made me curious.
This morning I looked at Hex. 55 in your I Ching (2010 Arcturus ed.); I didn't see the phrase 'startling anomalies' (if it is there, I apologize for missing it). You do, however, mention the 'Feng' being screened off, and that at mid-day there is darkness and the Dipper. And in your commentary, you mention an (or the) 'eclipse' a number of times, so ...
... this made me “curiouser and curiouser!” (and like Alice, ... for the moment I quite forgot how to speak good English - or obviously how to ask my question so you and others understand it!).
Ah, so this refers to revised text found in a newer edition than what I'm reading. I get it now. Thanks.So I ended up hedging my bets in the commentary and replacing eclipses with unspecified 'startling anomalies'.
Because of these postings, over the last few days I have re-visited this Hexagram and the eclipses (aka 'startling anomalies'), et al. and it has provided me with different and interesting interpretive possibilities. However, the one place I started with and which still rings true for me - with the darkening banners and screens - reminds me of this Wendell Berry poem:It doesn't, I think, make that much difference to the business of interpretation
I get that.So I ended up hedging my bets in the commentary and replacing eclipses with unspecified 'startling anomalies'.
Hi Liselle:I get dodder for 4 and crying pheasant for 36, but I don't understand fu and captives. Anyone know of anything to read about this that doesn't involve paying for it? ( )
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Look that at least in the the first Bronze character and both Small Seal characters the lower component CHILD doesn't seem to be suffering, and the upper component doesn't seem to be a CLAW.Source: Zdic.net, here.
Hey Charly, for some reason, that link leads to an Oops! error message. I'd really like to check it out, if you can find a working link. Thanks!I believe that that you may enjoy the article about «The Book od Changes» by Arthur Waley available for free in the page os Steve Marshall, here.
I thought it worked really well. You made a great link between this new story and the older interpretations of Abundance, so the new story added to, rather than displaced, the traditional understanding. And that's really what I hope to find when I look at the modernist reconstructions.2017: I get the chance to revise the text. Eclipse? Sunspots? It doesn't, I think, make that much difference to the business of interpretation: the point is that the Zhou at Feng watched the sky for signs, saw something extraordinary, and had to act on it and not faff about. So I ended up hedging my bets in the commentary and replacing eclipses with unspecified 'startling anomalies'.
Well, it's a different language style. But I think "far reaching connection to the spirits" makes sense and is consistent with Marshall. A sign that the mandate of heaven has shifted to the Zhou, communicated by ... God? The ancestors? The spirits? And telling Wu to break all the conventions, rebel against his sworn king, ignore the mourning period, to seize great glory.For example Karcher talks about " ... the Dipper, constellation of the fates", and a "far-reaching connection to the spirits", which (based on what little I've read by Marshall) doesn't feel very Marshall-esque to me, but is instead from a wider range of sources, along with mythic, correlative - and maybe even Jungian? - thinking thrown in for good measure.
Who needs Game of Thrones?The term feng also is the name of King Wu’s military capital, built on the Feng River in anticipation of the war with Shang. At this time, King Wu was in mourning for his father King Wen, beginning the three years of isolation in the Mourning Hut prescribed for a royal ancestor. A solar eclipse occurred on or about 20 June 1070 bce, at the solstice. King Wu took this as a direct omen from Heaven that Shang was about to fall and that he had finally received the Mandate for Change. When the sky became dark, the Bin or Dipper, the palace of Shang Di, the High Lord, appeared in the heavens as a powerful omen of military victory. King Wu made a turtle divination to see whether he should remain in mourning or take up arms immediately. The turtle oracle, which works in matched pairs of positive/negative statements, gave an answer to the charge “perhaps stay in mourning.” It said: “Trap! The Way closes!” King Wu then made the yi-sacrifice at noon. His War Leader, the Duke of Zhou, announced the results at the Earth Altar, smeared the drums with blood and the armies marching into the wilderness of Mu to fight the battle that ended the rule of the Shang. With this radical and shocking action, King Wu not only broke the stringently prescribed period of mourning, but carried his father’s corpse, which had not yet been enshrined in a spirit-tablet, with him into battle. This act of obedience to the Mandate that broke all the rules was to bring great abundance to all.
It was a copy/paste error, it was edited and functions.Hey Charly, for some reason, that link leads to an Oops! error message. I'd really like to check it out, if you can find a working link. Thanks!
The other one that I heard of that might fall into that category might be something by ... Crouch? The Chameleon Book? Something like that. (Charming name! Even if it doesn't hold water!).
In the bronze and small seal characters, I see an unknown HAND stroking the head of a CHID, maybe an expression of MATERNAL LOVE.
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"Babies need to be fed when they are hungry. She is a great mom."
I see that this might also be showing an evolution of meaning - or meanings - as humans (or Shang-to Zhou culture) evolved:Bone Script: a BREASTFEEDING scene, ...
Small seal: the CHILD kept his legs like Swee' Pea, his arms free and his look satisfied.
Traditional writing only made things worse: the mother's hand became a CLAW, the satisfied child a rigid puppet. The tail at the right is a mystery for many people.
As I said, I've hardly read Marshall, so I was venturing a guess (though I do like the solar eclipse photo on the front of his book). My main thrust here is:Well, it's a different language style. But I think "far reaching connection to the spirits" makes sense and is consistent with Marshall.
He's on the bookshelf somewhere...By the way, now that we've thoroughly established a background context to my original question over the past 100 posts, have you ever looked at Whincup?
Thanks!He's on the bookshelf somewhere...
... and actually is more interesting than I remembered. Not super-'modernist': no twitching captives or squealing rats here. The underlying idea is that the sequence tells the story of a young man rising to become ruler (and then another young man finding a place at his court) - but this is kept pretty general and in the background, so it doesn't distort the translation. There are some nice, simple ideas in there.
Hmm. The I Ching for the career-focused male executive with a passion for ancient Chinese history? Okay.Interesting how his story manages to exclude female protagonists and even family life absolutely. It's all about a man's career, all the time.
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