H 11 Unchanging for terrible conflict with therapist?

[foxx777]

Hi: I had a very bad session with my therapist yesterday. I have been seeing her for 8 months and have had doubts, on and off, about her being the right one for me. It always seemed easier to stay, rather than having to look for someone new, and to be faced with the arduous task of beginning again from scratch.

There have been tiffs, doubts, etc. but nothing like yesterday:

This was an actual argument, with raised voices, her throwing my past in my face, (in a way that made me feel betrayed and violated, and sick to my stomach) and my getting the sinking feeling that I had encountered a mad woman. I am firmly resolved to quit now.

I received H11 unchanging when I asked the I Ching for "illumination on what occurred in Dr. X's office yesterday".

Is it saying that I should be at peace with leaving? Because there was no peace yesterday, and indeed I was up half the night over it. thnx:bows:

 

[answeredquestions]

I have come to realize 11 as being anything but peaceful in the traditional sense. I have receive it when things are full. Full in the sense that there are many (or opposite) energies playing with each other. They are interacting. Obviously you guys had different views on what you were 'discussing' and they were interacting. This is just for me, but 11 seems to show up when there are 2 parties and they are interacting in a very lively manner. Nothing calm about it. Once we get 11 a few times, we start to see that it is anything but peaceful. It's highly charged and full of life.

 

[foxx777]

I have come to realize 11 as being anything but peaceful in the traditional sense. I have receive it when things are full. Full in the sense that there are many (or opposite) energies playing with each other. They are interacting. Obviously you guys had different views on what you were 'discussing' and they were interacting. This is just for me, but 11 seems to show up when there are 2 parties and they are interacting in a very lively manner. Nothing calm about it. Once we get 11 a few times, we start to see that it is anything but peaceful. It's highly charged and full of life.

Thanks for that illumination. I have always viewed hexagram 11 as a point at which things have arrived at last in a unified and peaceful state, with gains outweighing losses, but your own input indicates that this peace may be anything but the common sense understanding of that term.

In terms of the therapist: I do not mind heated debate or conflict, if it is fruitful. I am not opposed to differences of opinion within an exchange where there is mutual respect. What troubled me is that she seemed arrogant, sadistic, and disrespectful: It actually shook me, and made me feel ill for hours afterward. I asked the I ching, Was my experience of Dr. X accurate and objective, or is the trouble on my side? and received the below.

I cannot help feeling that the lines refer to Dr X, because I asked to leave her office, and she became very flustered, and began to apologize and backpedal furiously (which gave me an ill feeling that she was not stable), and indeed kept me 20 minutes overtime, making sure I still wanted to be a paying customer, which I do not. H18 to me is referring to my state now:

The present is embodied in Hexagram 10 - Lu (Treading Carefully): One treads on the tail of a tiger, which does not bite him. There will be progress and success.

The first (bottommost) line, undivided, shows its subject treading his accustomed path. If he go forward, there will be no error.

The third line, divided, shows a one-eyed man who thinks he can walk well. He is one who treads on the tail of a tiger and is bitten. All this indicates ill fortune. We have a mere bravo acting the part of a great ruler.

The fourth line, undivided, shows its subject treading on the tail of a tiger. He becomes full of apprehensive caution, and in the end there will be good fortune.
The fifth line, undivided, shows the resolute tread of its subject. Though he be firm and correct, there will be peril.

The situation is changing rapidly, and Yin (the passive feminine force) is gaining ground

The future is embodied in Hexagram 18 - Ku (Decay): Great progress and success will come to him who deals properly with the situation. There will be advantage in efforts like that of crossing the great stream. Weigh well though, the events of three days before the turning point, and those to be done three days after it..

 

[yxeli]

Hi Foxx,

I received H11 unchanging when I asked the I Ching for "illumination on what occurred in Dr. X's office yesterday".

Is it saying that I should be at peace with leaving?

I don't know if the yi is answering the latter. I think possibly this therapist was using some form of questioning to force you to recognise something in yourself. This from wikiwing:

'Heaven and Earth communicate. Flowing.
The prince enriches and accomplishes the dao of heaven and earth,
Supports and structures heaven and earth's mutual help and harmony,
Helps and protects the people.'

The prince has ‘opted in’ to the flow, works with it, creates contexts within which the creative work can be done. Heaven would be ideas and potential energy, earth would be ways and capacity to make things happen. These two communicate – idea people and making-it-happen people sit down together. The idea is to interweave the two as tightly and securely as possible. Get people and energies working together, create synergy.

‘Helping and protecting’ is literally ‘left and right’, originally the two hands facing one another, with the idea that each helps the other. This is actually part of the original character Tai.

I agree with answered questions. aint nothin peacefull about hex 11. its an all go type hex from my experience, the idea of 'balance' and 'harmony' asociated with this hex doesnt conjure up a lazy sunny day in a calm atmosphere, it brings up huge measuring scales that are bouncing back and forth until they have figured out how to maintain equilibrium. Not an easy task. and harmony? How many false notes do you have to compose before you hit those few magic 'just right' tones?


i reckon this therapist is trying to get you out of your comfort zone on purpose.

lofting also calles 11 'mediation', very apt in your case.


nuclear is 54 ( a very out of comfort zone hex)

from wikiwing

Hexagram 54, the Marrying Maiden. The surge of energy can ‘sweep you off your feet’ into a situation where you’re no longer in control – the creative flow is so much more than the individual. So this might be something to avoid manifesting. Equally it might be something you have to experience in order to know 11 from the inside.

so maybe this therapist is forcing you into unknown and unexplored territory (54) where your not in control, your therapist is, and this makes you feel really uncomfortable.

I would just say also as an aside, that maybe next time you go, to confront him/her about this technique s/he is using on you, and what purpose there was in making you so upset about it.


Bests,

Yx

 

[yxeli]

Was my experience of Dr. X accurate and objective, or is the trouble on my side?

oo foxx, 2 q's in one! thats a faux pas round here innit?

10>18

steps to repairing the damage. could mean either them or you. the steps to get you to the next realisation in your therapy, maybe.

i would say though that you are very upset about it. and 10 is also called conduct. I would just reitterate the need to have an honest showdown with this therapist and tell her how upset you were with her method. she might just be trying something out with you, and it obviously backfired.

 

[foxx777]

Hi Foxx,



I don't know if the yi is answering the latter. I think possibly this therapist was using some form of questioning to force you to recognise something in yourself. This from wikiwing:



I agree with answered questions. aint nothin peacefull about hex 11. its an all go type hex from my experience, the idea of 'balance' and 'harmony' asociated with this hex doesnt conjure up a lazy sunny day in a calm atmosphere, it brings up huge measuring scales that are bouncing back and forth until they have figured out how to maintain equilibrium. Not an easy task. and harmony? How many false notes do you have to compose before you hit those few magic 'just right' tones?


i reckon this therapist is trying to get you out of your comfort zone on purpose.

lofting also calles 11 'mediation', very apt in your case.


nuclear is 54 ( a very out of comfort zone hex)

from wikiwing




so maybe this therapist is forcing you into unknown and unexplored territory (54) where your not in control, your therapist is, and this makes you feel really uncomfortable.

I would just say also as an aside, that maybe next time you go, to confront him/her about this technique s/he is using on you, and what purpose there was in making you so upset about it.


Bests,

Yx

Wow, that certainly adds more grist for the mill! Yes, I actually had viewed H11 as a lazy day in July, with pink lemonade and lounge chairs under a big willow tree. Now I view it more as an apocalyptic weighing of the scales.

I have had experiences , in the past, with therapists or mentors who challenge you. That is a good thing. You pout, you resist, but pretty soon you are making strides.

This, though, was a kind of sickening blame game, with her bringing up highly personal things in a nasty way. The only way I can describe it is as the feeling you would get in a job interview, if the person suddenly attacked and raped you while calling you filthy names. Like you want to run for the police. Well, I shall think on it, but past experience tells me the body does not lie ("if it feels like a punch in the gut, it was a punch in the gut.)

 

[yxeli]

it don't sound too pleasant foxx. I agree with you. I would still confront her about it before you completely start over with a new person. You will be able to figure out if she was just being a big bully or whether there was method in the way she conducted herself.

I also know that finding a good therapist is pretty hard. the right environment and chemistry need to form between 2 people to let 18 happen.

if you feel like trust had been completely lost now, then she can no longer get you to confront bad experiences or open up fully to her.

can i ask a question? was she acting in a way that reminded you of some other event in your past?

an event you told her about?

I'm adding this cos hex 11 seems bloody great for therapy. I don't know whether you should give up so quickly on this one.

Just food for thought.

Bests,

Yx

 

[foxx777]

it don't sound too pleasant foxx. I agree with you. I would still confront her about it before you completely start over with a new person. You will be able to figure out if she was just being a big bully or whether there was method in the way she conducted herself.

I also know that finding a good therapist is pretty hard. the right environment and chemistry need to form between 2 people to let 18 happen.

if you feel like trust had been completely lost now, then she can no longer get you to confront bad experiences or open up fully to her.

can i ask a question? was she acting in a way that reminded you of some other event in your past?

an event you told her about?

Just food for thought.

Bests,

Yx

Thanks, just saw your other post now, and aaargh, yes, 2 questions in one was not good. My bad. Well, I feel she was trying one of those "get tough" challenges, but yes, it reminded me of a certain approach often taken by my older sister, which reeks of hypocrisy and nastiness. My gut reaction was, "How dare you?"

I also know before she semi-retired and went into private practice, she was working for an agency with some tough, inner city people, addicts and such - well, that approach is not going to work with me. I simply am turned off by a barking, yelling, in your face attitude. I find it boorish and unprofessional. She must have seen it backfired, yes, because as I said, she became more and more flustered, while I grew calmer. She began to back pedal, while I stood my ground. Which made her seem slightly insane to me. In any case, she is on vacation for 10 days, so I have time to mull it over. But as I threatened her with my attorney, something tells me we are kaput.

 

[yxeli]

wow, so yeah, she was trying a big sister approach on you eh? ( i know the feeling. i have been blessed (or cursed) with 2 older sisters. Nasty manipulative,vindictive crap that im sure one day i'll have a lengthly discussion about with a therapist of my own! ) and i bet if there is a tough guy thing that therapists pull, they're trying incarnate your worst memory to get you to confront something.

Maybe just you being so calm and collected and watching her backtrack in itself was 10>18. a way to repair the damage of the past.

Whatever happens, i'd definitely go back for one last session, see what she has to say. It might be just what you need to hear to know that this therapist isn't the one for you, or the opposite. hex 11.

hex 11 is pretty brilliant foxx. I cant drop that initial response yi gave.

The small departs, the great approaches.

Yx

 

[dragona]

Excuse me, but didn`t she explain in any way her behavior when you got upset? Could you clearly see her loose control?

 

[foxx777]

wow, so yeah, she was trying a big sister approach on you eh? ( i know the feeling. i have been blessed (or cursed) with 2 older sisters. Nasty manipulative,vindictive crap that im sure one day i'll have a lengthly discussion about with a therapist of my own! ) and i bet if there is a tough guy thing that therapists pull, they're trying incarnate your worst memory to get you to confront something.

Maybe just you being so calm and collected and watching her backtrack in itself was 10>18. a way to repair the damage of the past.

Whatever happens, i'd definitely go back for one last session, see what she has to say. It might be just what you need to hear to know that this therapist isn't the one for you, or the opposite. hex 11.

hex 11 is pretty brilliant foxx. I cant drop that initial response yi gave.

The small departs, the great approaches.

Yx

Ha, so you know the score, then. You need say nothing further. Yes, the small departs, the great approaches, could almost be seen as my response to her petty and low class "scare the patient straight" technique. If it had not made me so ill, I would almost feel sorry for her. Yes, I will try to see if I can give it a last go. But I do need a break for right now. Your input is great, thanks loads!!!

 

[yxeli]

also, the fact that she came across as insane to you is quite interesting. Just reading what dragona just posted.

I think both her aggressive accusations, and what happened directly after (the backtrack) was all an act. maybe when you left her office she secretly leapt about the room shouting in a very freudian/jungian verrnacular 'by jove! breakthrough!!'

in any case, im sure your not the first or the last to pull the 'youll be hearing from my attorney!' card! If shes semi retired and used to treat real hardcore scumbags, that was water off a ducks back to her i'm sure.

its just really odd the way she acted. in a way that makes me think shes either the most amazing therapist ever, or she went into therapy to get over her own past big sister bully scenario! its been 8 months, and you said shes made you feel uncomfortable before ( that is the therapists job, afterall) but nothing like this last session, right?

ive never gone to a therapist for that extended amount of time. im sure wierd dynamics start popping up after such a long period, need to pop up. and one last thing. who said that to maintain peace is harder then fighting a war?!

Yx

 

[foxx777]

Excuse me, but didn`t she explain in any way her behavior when you got upset? Could you clearly see her loose control?

Did not see this until now, sorry----No,, it was more like embarrassed back-pedaling. When she saw I was not buying it, and I was offended, and questioning her ethics, she began to take back what she had said, rationalized it, as it were. But the damage had been done. I had seen her mask slip, and she knew it --- it really bothered me, because I would rather she stood her ground. Even though I felt she was in the wrong, it bothered me that she became so embarrased at my anger. This to me seemed like she had not really been in control, if this makes sense.

 

[foxx777]

also, the fact that she came across as insane to you is quite interesting. Just reading what dragona just posted.

I think both her aggressive accusations, and what happened directly after (the backtrack) was all an act. maybe when you left her office she secretly leapt about the room shouting in a very freudian/jungian verrnacular 'by jove! breakthrough!!'

in any case, im sure your not the first or the last to pull the 'youll be hearing from my attorney!' card! If shes semi retired and used to treat real hardcore scumbags, that was water off a ducks back to her i'm sure.

its just really odd the way she acted. in a way that makes me think shes either the most amazing therapist ever, or she went into therapy to get over her own past big sister bully scenario! its been 8 months, and you said shes made you feel uncomfortable before ( that is the therapists job, afterall) but nothing like this last session, right?

ive never gone to a therapist for that extended amount of time. im sure wierd dynamics start popping up after such a long period, need to pop up. and one last thing. who said that to maintain peace is harder then fighting a war?!

Yx

@ YX and Dragona, both:

Hmmm. Do not know that quote, but it is an apt one for sure!

Well, personally I would LOVE the idea, of her leaping in joy about a breakthrough. But I believe she probably slumped in her chair, and reached for the alka-selzer.

She did not seem sure of herself, and as i said, kept me 20 minutes over (not exactly de rigueur for therapists) in an attempt to apologize. It was creepy. I have seen many therapists, since age 16 (ha, it is a family thing) and even one very famous Park Avenue therapist. This was a first. And it felt yucky.

Yes, 8 months, and I had my doubts about her, but this explosion was an eye opener.

Let me ask I Ching for an image regarding the yuck factor: Hexagram 57 line 6 :

The sixth line, undivided, shows the representative of penetration beneath a couch, and having lost the axe with which he executed his decision. However firm and correct he may try to be, there will be evil.

 

[yxeli]

haha!! wow 57.6 says it all eh!

well seems like you taught that therapist a lesson of your own!

Good luck!

Yx

 

[foxx777]

Addendum: Recall, I do NOT mind conflict, nor am I one to run from a challenge. I like to be challenged, and as a veteran of psychoanalysis, I am used to it. I expect it. This was a creepy "I-have -lost -control" type thing. Like if you were having lunch with a friend, and she suddenly began yelling at you, and everyone in the restaurant turned and stared.

 

[foxx777]

Here is an example:

Me: Well, truthfully, I think it was a mistake for you to begin seeing my sister, S.

Dr X: (Red in the face) Oh, is that SO??? Well YOU were the one who said it would be OK with you!

Me: Yeah, well, I rethought it.

Dr X: (loudly and with sarcasm) And just WHAT did this rethinking consist of?

Me: Well, actually, I consulted an expert, who said it is in fact rather unethical of you to take on my sister as a client. He said I need my own therapist. And I did not appreciate S going back and telling my son things you said about me, either. He told me.

Dr X: ( flustered) Well I CONFRONTED her on that! I confronted her!!!-------

UGH, it is making me ill to recall this

 

[dragona]

So this it the same therapist you spoke of before...and I think, it was waiting to happen, her making a wrong approach made it happen as I am of an opinion it was about that.

The question that comes to me is - did you have a breakthrough of any sort afterwards?
If you had so many experience with therapy, you have developed an instinct on these things, I am sure, so you should trust your gut as the therapist should be the person of confidence (you are paying as well). On one hand, this therapist knows you, on the other, you feel the relationship is tainted.
About illumination on what happened...I quite agree with what was said about hex 11, two different forces collided in an effort of creating something new...it can`t go quietly, can it? The results are forming still, I think...and for me hex 11 was about calming myself as the optimistic creativity is in the air.
I think 10<18 shows the goings on of the occasion... I don`t know what you have decided to do, perhaps just sleep on it again and if you need to, cast again in terms of what is the best for you to do next.
Sorry to repeat only what others have said but I think you should stick with hex 11 and let it all relax a bit.
For myself, it would be interesting to see her next session with you.

 

[precision grace]

This is probably going to sound really stupid, but how can you be benefiting from therapy after all these years?

 

[dragona]

I was thinking along the lines...maybe you had it for too long, thinking you have outgrown it?
Or the therapist in question....obviously...

 

[foxx777]

To answer both of you: I was in therapy as a teenager due to my parents: I had no choice in the matter. I was what they now call "the designated patient": They projected all their problems onto me.

I went back again in my 30s, due to being scarred from my past - a past over which I had no control, as a minor, I might add. I vowed never to go back again.

However, when I was just 42 my husband became terminally ill at a young age. (he was 48). I nursed him for several years, and was left widowed and alone, with our autistic son, in my mid 40s. So once again, I had to seek help briefly. Now again, as my son and I face new challenges. This is all life issues, not anything else.

But this woman is toxic. I think this is where my peace lies: I know I cannot write out one more check to her.

 

[yxeli]

Hey Foxx.

I've slept on it. and these thoughts went through my head before i fell asleep.

First of all, thanks for giving the extra information above. I feel this backs up the points i'm about to offer.

18 is all about carrying around dead weight that you got from your parents. Look at each of the lines. everyhting is to do with inheriting your parents problems and how to get out of that miasma. The fact you received 10 >18 regarding this, to me, is greatly auspicious. Your treading the path to get rid of all this extra weight that has nothing to do with you. Its your parents influence on you as a child/teenager.

you already know how i feel about 11.

You say you've had a lot of therapy before, at significant points in your life. How long did you stay with each therapist? This is just something i would be interested in knowing, because I think it plays a significant part in how you progress with clearing away 18.

Also, do you get along with your sister? Or do you think that you both have issues regarding your parents that have caused your relationship to be strained?

I feel like your doctor purposefully opted in to being your sisters therapist in order to get a clearer image of the family. To help both of you. Obviously your sister told your son some things which you felt were highly inappropriate. This is the fault of your sister, not your therapist. she did say that she tried to explain that to your sister during your heated exchange, and at the start you did think that your sister having the same therapist as you was a good idea.I get the feeling that your sister might have used this information to make you feel bad for some reason. From the sounds of things you do not get along with your sister. Maybe your sister is acting on the defensive, scared of what image you have already given your therapist of her. Is she a new client of your doctors compared to you?

As for 57.6. Iching 123 has to me some interesting words regarding this. heres a screen shot for you.

http://www.dropmocks.com/mBjIpA

I'm interested in the idea that you may still be concealing something of your inner world here. The time for the reform has come but identity is somehow wrapped up in confinement. The penetrating influence can't manifest at this line because of something blocking you from allowing yourself to come forth and take control to clear away the miasma of 18. It seems like this exchange was to force you to act out. to begin to take control of events and to align whatever is 'concealed' with the outside world. fan yao 48.6 is all about brining out your 'depths'. expressing the subconcious for the good of all. the well doesnt change, events outside dont change it, only how we access the well, or your problems, changes. 48.6 is where the well can be reached easily, your speech and your own perception are perfectly aligned. This is when the real healing can begin.


I hope you don't mind, but i asked Yi a question on your behalf.

6/6/2012 06:25 what will happen if foxx goes back to her therapist

lines: 988677
hexagrams: 42:1,4 — 12

42. I / Increase













above SUN THE GENTLE, WIND, WOOD
below CHÊN THE AROUSING, THUNDER
THE JUDGMENT

INCREASE. It furthers one
To undertake something.
It furthers one to cross the great water.

THE LINES

Nine at the beginning means:
It furthers one to accomplish great deeds.
Supreme good fortune. No blame.

Six in the fourth place means:
If you walk in the middle
And report to the prince,
He will follow.
It furthers one to be used
In the removal of the capital.


12. P’i / Standstill [Stagnation]













above CH’IEN THE CREATIVE, HEAVEN
below K’UN THE RECEPTIVE, EARTH
THE JUDGMENT

STANDSTILL. Evil people do not further
The perseverance of the superior man.
The great departs; the small approaches.

Line 1. You must make use of this blessing. you must take on the auspiciousness of the time. The one above enriches the one below. it is advantages to use the help offfered.

Line 4. If you go to this therapist again, and dont let a heated exchange happen, but walk 'in the middle', you will clear out this old world ( removal of the capital).

This will get you the hell out of 12.

I will also add that lofting has 51 by way of 42>12. A moment of hightened clarity. A burst of light that shows you the way. a moment of emotional turbulence that leads to a deeper understanding. A new beginning.


Yx

 

[goddessliss]

Interesting stuff foxx - I had been seeing my present male therapist on and off for about 3 years but when the volatile stuff went down for me recently I went you know what I don't wanna go back to him and recognised some of his verbal behaviour wasn't quite appropriate or right for me and he did raise his voice unnecessarily once or twice but like you it was easier to stay than start again.
But then I thought maybe I just need something different to verbal counselling or whatever it is for you and that's why I went with the art therapy.
Just a thought though sometimes talking just doesn't quite hit the spot we need it to.

Hope you sort something out for yourself and become joyous again. - Liss

 

[hopex]

its always unnerving when a counsellor loses it -
once the trust is breached its hard to take them
seriously

you could schedule a round off session to express
your feelings about it - ask why they lost control
when they are in that position of trust......

refund or letter to their governing body - stand up for
your sense of well being and peace ? hexagram 11

you are defending yourself well of late:bows:

 

[foxx777]

Hey Foxx.

I've slept on it. and these thoughts went through my head before i fell asleep.

First of all, thanks for giving the extra information above. I feel this backs up the points i'm about to offer.

18 is all about carrying around dead weight that you got from your parents. Look at each of the lines. everyhting is to do with inheriting your parents problems and how to get out of that miasma. The fact you received 10 >18 regarding this, to me, is greatly auspicious. Your treading the path to get rid of all this extra weight that has nothing to do with you. Its your parents influence on you as a child/teenager.

you already know how i feel about 11.

You say you've had a lot of therapy before, at significant points in your life. How long did you stay with each therapist? This is just something i would be interested in knowing, because I think it plays a significant part in how you progress with clearing away 18.

Also, do you get along with your sister? Or do you think that you both have issues regarding your parents that have caused your relationship to be strained?

I feel like your doctor purposefully opted in to being your sisters therapist in order to get a clearer image of the family. To help both of you. Obviously your sister told your son some things which you felt were highly inappropriate. This is the fault of your sister, not your therapist. she did say that she tried to explain that to your sister during your heated exchange, and at the start you did think that your sister having the same therapist as you was a good idea.I get the feeling that your sister might have used this information to make you feel bad for some reason. From the sounds of things you do not get along with your sister. Maybe your sister is acting on the defensive, scared of what image you have already given your therapist of her. Is she a new client of your doctors compared to you?

As for 57.6. Iching 123 has to me some interesting words regarding this. heres a screen shot for you.

http://www.dropmocks.com/mBjIpA

I'm interested in the idea that you may still be concealing something of your inner world here. The time for the reform has come but identity is somehow wrapped up in confinement. The penetrating influence can't manifest at this line because of something blocking you from allowing yourself to come forth and take control to clear away the miasma of 18. It seems like this exchange was to force you to act out. to begin to take control of events and to align whatever is 'concealed' with the outside world. fan yao 48.6 is all about brining out your 'depths'. expressing the subconcious for the good of all. the well doesnt change, events outside dont change it, only how we access the well, or your problems, changes. 48.6 is where the well can be reached easily, your speech and your own perception are perfectly aligned. This is when the real healing can begin.


I hope you don't mind, but i asked Yi a question on your behalf.



Line 1. You must make use of this blessing. you must take on the auspiciousness of the time. The one above enriches the one below. it is advantages to use the help offfered.

Line 4. If you go to this therapist again, and dont let a heated exchange happen, but walk 'in the middle', you will clear out this old world ( removal of the capital).

This will get you the hell out of 12.

I will also add that lofting has 51 by way of 42>12. A moment of hightened clarity. A burst of light that shows you the way. a moment of emotional turbulence that leads to a deeper understanding. A new beginning.


Yx

Wow. Of course I do not mind; I appreciate it. I think many of your insights are astute, and really helpful. No, do not get along with my sister. And I usually stayed around 2 + years in therapy, sporadically, throughout the years. I like your take on 42.4 - and will continue to mull all over. THANKS!!!

 

[foxx777]

Interesting stuff foxx - I had been seeing my present male therapist on and off for about 3 years but when the volatile stuff went down for me recently I went you know what I don't wanna go back to him and recognised some of his verbal behaviour wasn't quite appropriate or right for me and he did raise his voice unnecessarily once or twice but like you it was easier to stay than start again.
But then I thought maybe I just need something different to verbal counselling or whatever it is for you and that's why I went with the art therapy.
Just a thought though sometimes talking just doesn't quite hit the spot we need it to.

Hope you sort something out for yourself and become joyous again. - Liss

Ha, so I am not the only one with these tumultuous therapy sessions. Thanks so much for sharing; and I DO believe that sometimes verbal therapy can be replaced by things such as art therapy and the like. Thanks for your kind words. Much appreciated.

 

[foxx777]

its always unnerving when a counsellor loses it -
once the trust is breached its hard to take them
seriously

you could schedule a round off session to express
your feelings about it - ask why they lost control
when they are in that position of trust......

refund or letter to their governing body - stand up for
your sense of well being and peace ? hexagram 11

you are defending yourself well of late:bows:

Yes, I may indeed have to address this in one of those ways. Thanks for your nice words. Always love to hear from you. xx:bows:

 

[yxeli]

how'd it turn out foxx?

 

[meng]

I've personally found an outcome of 11 is quite unpredictable. Two primal, powerful and opposing principles stand facing one another. Their primal instinct is to attract, not to repel. If there was repulsion from this interaction then something was either missed or its time hasn't come yet. Then, the attraction may be repelling - another way of saying 'the truth hurts.'

Even if she fell out of her rocker, what of what she actually said? Is there truth to it? What's your instant reaction to it?

Sometimes I've found 11 to be a time for tuning up. A reminder of Union, and a responsibility to that result. Reminds me of the dragon who comes to earth, and she receives him, and soon they have little baby 3's and 4's running around.