Had to share. Does Yi have a sense of humour?

[veavea]

Hello all,

I just wanted to share this because it made me smile and I wondered if you all had any thoughts on the matter. I was whining to Yi about not being able to find a suitable mate - a guy I fancy had just popped round for tea and I thought the whole conversation had been weird and stilted and I just felt like bashing my head against a wall! I said to Yi: 'will I ever find someone to have a good relationship with?'
54.3 > 34
= No but you'll be ok, you can still make a contribution as the junior wife.

I first of all was dismayed by this but then the cast struck me as being really funny!! I then said: have you got a sense of humour, and are you laughing at me?
19.2.3.6 > 22
= Yes, but all in good grace

I just found this response delightful :bows:

 

[sylvia1ching]

I had a something similar happen. I asked the oracle "Is there anything evil about I Ching?"

It responded with HEX 4: Youthful Folly
At the time I was using the Legge translation...so the judgement read...

I do not go and seek the youthful and inexperienced, but he comes and seeks me. When he shows the sincerity that marks the first recourse to divination, I instruct him. If he apply a second and third time, that is troublesome; and I do not instruct the troublesome. There will be advantage in being firm and correct.​

What I heard was .. do not be troublesome. I will let you ask this one time any more I will not respond

 

[veavea]

I must say, sometimes I do find it strange when Yi seems to take on a distinct 'personality' because when I've asked Yi specifically about that, I get answers back to the effect that I shouldn't lose myself in illusions or projections about the imagined 'identities' of who or whatever I'm communicating with. It is odd... because I have had communications with something that I would loosely identify as a 'guide' but even that may only have been an expression of something in my own psyche. But when the answers come back independently and objectively, so to speak, through the Yi, it is hard to know what to think, for just a poor limited human such as myself...

 

[veavea]

But just to add, with regard to the question of evil, I would say there is nothing at all evil about the I Ching. Compared to the tarot, for instance (which I do not think is evil, but I think is far less developed and less wise than the I Ching) I think it is inherently attuned to 'higher' ends. But could it be misused, corrupted? I don't know. Maybe only if it were completely rewritten which is why I have doubts about Carol Antony's book on the Cosmic Oracle (or whatever it's called) where she effectively reinvents it.

 

[veavea]

I'm just adding to my own thread here, because I just came across this paragraph in a book I like very much, 'I Ching for Business and Decision Making' by Guy Damian Knight:

'The higher self which the I Ching reflects in each individual is not the lapdog or the sycophant of the lower urge. It does not necessarily give the answers you may seek (if it is the lower self which seeks a particular answer). It gives the superior answer. It addresses itself to the superior in your own nature. When you and the I Ching are in accord, then the superior man is in control and the natural cycle is in tune. When there is a conflict, it is always a conflict between the lower and the higher in your own nature. In such situations it is safer, as well as correct, to defer to the I Ching. In a very real sense, the I Ching is the ego's task master. In this sense it is an evolutionary tool of the most impeccable kind.'

 

[li chien]

I wonder if in this way the Yi becomes a reflection of the self, it is at the same time both universal and utterly personal, the mirror of who we truly are and the reminder that we are a part of the all. I always need to recognise the light side in everything and something of a salvation to me to find the enduring great relief in comedy and sometimes the driest humour comes in the understanding and kind responses of the Yi when it is most needed. Yo seems utterly personal, wise and caring and occasionally just a bit like it enjoys a kind laugh as well.

 

[li chien]

I wonder if in this way the Yi becomes a reflection of the self, it is at the same time both universal and utterly personal, the mirror of who we truly are and the reminder that we are a part of the all. I always need to recognise the light side in everything and something of a salvation to me to find the enduring great relief in comedy and sometimes the driest humour comes in the understanding and kind responses of the Yi when it is most needed. Yi seems utterly personal, wise and caring and occasionally just a bit like it enjoys a kind laugh as well.

 

[li chien]

I wonder if in this way the Yi becomes a reflection of the self, it is at the same time both universal and utterly personal, the mirror of who we truly are and the reminder that we are a part of the all. I always need to recognise the light side in everything and something of a salvation to me to find the enduring great relief in comedy and sometimes the driest humour comes in the understanding and kind responses of the Yi when it is most needed. Yi seems personal, wise and caring and occasionally just a bit like it enjoys a kind laugh as well.

 

[li chien]

I tried to edit this three times and for whatever reason it posted three times... lol.

 

[sylvia1ching]

I asked that question early on my interpretation. I have been doing interpretations since Aug 2015 consistently. The reason I asked it was as I learned more about the I Ching I would discuss with Christians. According Christian divination is not acceptable by God or the Bible. I found that not to be true because there is a passage that says...paraphrase..there are people that God has granted abilities that not everyone possess. It was a way for me to test my connection to the oracle. It blew me away because what I got recognize that this my gift and I have had many occasions of similar comments directed at me.

 

[sylvia1ching]

Depending on the reference and I use many different references but the one I really enjoy is the Wilhelm Translation I love the archaic convoluted descriptions. He was Catholic priest and yet I have found multiple occasions where there is subtle play on words but it has an overt reference to act of sex. It makes me laugh

 

[veavea]

I asked that question early on my interpretation. I have been doing interpretations since Aug 2015 consistently. The reason I asked it was as I learned more about the I Ching I would discuss with Christians. According Christian divination is not acceptable by God or the Bible. I found that not to be true because there is a passage that says...paraphrase..there are people that God has granted abilities that not everyone possess. It was a way for me to test my connection to the oracle. It blew me away because what I got recognize that this my gift and I have had many occasions of similar comments directed at me.

Where in the Bible does it say that, out of interest?

 

[veavea]

I wonder if in this way the Yi becomes a reflection of the self, it is at the same time both universal and utterly personal, the mirror of who we truly are and the reminder that we are a part of the all. I always need to recognise the light side in everything and something of a salvation to me to find the enduring great relief in comedy and sometimes the driest humour comes in the understanding and kind responses of the Yi when it is most needed. Yo seems utterly personal, wise and caring and occasionally just a bit like it enjoys a kind laugh as well.

Thank you for this. "Yi becomes a reflection of the self, it is at the same time both universal and utterly personal, the mirror of who we truly are and the reminder that we are a part of the all." A wonderful way of expressing it. :bows:

 

[sylvia1ching]

VeaveaI do not remember if it was Old or New Testament. I would randomly pick a book in the Bible and read it. i will do some research and see if I can find it.

 

[hilary]

I don't know where it says that, but it's certainly implied in something like the story of Joseph with his unique gift for dream interpretation.

However... I think one of the beautiful things about the Yi is that it's an 'equal opportunity' oracle that talks with all different kinds of people (visual thinkers, mathematicians and engineers, musicians, word-merchants and storytellers) and doesn't require you to be 'special' at all. See https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2018/09/22/not-being-special/.

 

[sylvia1ching]

Where in the Bible does it say that, out of interest?

1 Corinthians 12:1-11 New International Version (NIV)
Concerning Spiritual Gifts
12 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

Footnotes:
1 Corinthians 12:10 Or languages; also in verse 28
1 Corinthians 12:10 Or languages; also in verse 28
New International Version (NIV)
Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV® Copyright ©1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide

 

[sylvia1ching]

1 corinthians 12:1-11

Where in the Bible does it say that, out of interest?

1 Corinthians 12:1-11 New International Version (NIV)
Concerning Spiritual Gifts
12 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

Footnotes:
1 Corinthians 12:10 Or languages; also in verse 28
1 Corinthians 12:10 Or languages; also in verse 28
New International Version (NIV)
Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV® Copyright ©1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide