Has anyone used Yang Hui's circles ?

[laureet]

Sometimes, just for the curiosity of it, I have used Yang Hui "magic" circle after a reading for locating relations and influence between hexagrams. I have just used it on a question related with an important matter and I got some very surprising connections.

I wonder if anyone has tried that and any opinion on the results...:bows:

 

[Sparhawk]

Sometimes, just for the curiosity of it, I have used Yang Hui "magic" circle after a reading for locating relations and influence between hexagrams. I have just used it on a question related with an important matter and I got some very surprising connections.

I wonder if anyone has tried that and any opinion on the results...:bows:

Hi Lauree,

I never have. I wonder if Andreas Schoter has, being math genius he is and having an affinity with Yang's work. Would you please tell us how you use the circles with the Yijing?

Cheers,

Luis

 

[laureet]

Hi Lauree,

I never have. I wonder if Andreas Schoter has, being math genius he is and having an affinity with Yang's work. Would you please tell us how you use the circles with the Yijing?

Cheers,

Luis

I don't mean deep complex working or so, I am no big mathematician I just, sometimes out of pure curiosity, play around a bit with Yang Hui's diagrams for seeing where they carry me.

For example say I get a 13 in a reading, then I go to one of the circles like the one below and check for possible relations and connections which will carry me to see if 17 is the center of the situation and 2, 24 and 9 might complete the whole picture, or perhaps if through 24 I arrive to 5 at the center of a more broad view. I don't know if I explain myself enough clearly. It is more a visual exploration of possibilities than a mathematical examination, even if I follow only the connections with numbers which if added will come to the same total of numbers of the circle that my initial hexagram was in...

As much as it is an unproven, not too traditional way, it has certainly given me some awsome surprises

I was just looking for anyone who has perhaps tried this sometimes for checking if his/her results were also interesting...:bows:

 

[Sparhawk]

Thanks, interesting your approach to Yang Hui's work. For all the mathematical genius he was, he doesn't seem to have published anything related to the Yi. For example, he's not mentioned in Bent Nielsen's book and he covers (or attempted to) all the medieval Chinese commentators of the Yi.

I see what you mean to do with the Magic Circle but, how do you reconcile the difference between the limited number of small circles with the 64 hexagrams?

L

 

[laureet]

Thanks, interesting your approach to Yang Hui's work. For all the mathematical genius he was, he doesn't seem to have published anything related to the Yi.

Yang Hui was quite a mysterious character and many times appears under the name of Chia Hsien, so is difficult to follow his work, mostly with his first books gone, but he is quite sincere and says clearly that he is working on discoveries already made by Jia Xian and his teacher Chu Yan (for example about what is known by the Pascal triangle now) who seem to have worked on the YiJing.

He and his tutor seem to have worked also quite a bit in the Tai Xuan ( created by Yang Xiong) with its 81 tetragrams instead of the 64 hexagrams of the YiJing. You know..that was a Xuan, not a Jing (Ching) so they had more margin to explore...

I see what you mean to do with the Magic Circle but, how do you reconcile the difference between the limited number of small circles with the 64 hexagrams?

L

Well, I use diverse circles as the one I attached before or the one below, if they include the hexagram I got ... but if I want to do better work or the hexagram number is not on any circle, I use the Yang Hui square enclosed below which is ordered in the Gua order and in which all the columns, rows and the two diagonals sum up to 260. So, I locate the number of the hexagram and see its relationships on any 260 line...

 

[Sparhawk]

Thanks. I'll have to check deeper into his work and see what I find. I like to explore magic squares and such. As for the Tai Hsuan Ching, ah..., that's an interesting work. There are some that believe it is the evil twin of the Yijing and created by a Fang Shih. Something really bad for those "some"...

L

 

[laureet]

Thanks. I'll have to check deeper into his work and see what I find. I like to explore magic squares and such. As for the Tai Hsuan Ching, ah..., that's an interesting work. There are some that believe it is the evil twin of the Yijing and created by a Fang Shih. Something really bad for those "some"...

L

Is it ...wise...to discuss here the Tai Hsuan? I just don't want another "tokigate affair" but is something very interesting to me...

Which version you have of it?

By the way, do you have Arguelles about magic squares? Is it worth?

 

[frank_r]

Well, I use diverse circles as the one I attached before or the one below, if they include the hexagram I got ... but if I want to do better work or the hexagram number is not on any circle, I use the Yang Hui square enclosed below which is ordered in the Gua order and in which all the columns, rows and the two diagonals sum up to 260. So, I locate the number of the hexagram and see its relationships on any 260 line...

Very interesting those circles I didn't know them.
How many of those circles Yang Hui made?
And what is the logic of the first and the second circle?
Do you also have a title of a book where he describes and explains those circles.

How do you work with the last magic circle related to this magic square?

This magic circle of 260( I have another one), was the reason why I studied for a while Mayan astrology because they have 20 astrogical signs and 13 tones. So 260 different combinations.

a lot of questions, but I find this very interesting!!

Thanks Frank

 

[laureet]

Very interesting those circles I didn't know them.
How many of those circles Yang Hui made?

9 known but basically he established the formulas for creating them

Do you also have a title of a book where he describes and explains those circles.

No sorry, (my copies are partial pages), but I am sure Sparhawk has

How do you work with the last magic circle related to this magic square?

I use one or the other, but I know there is a way to go from one to the other, I just don't have it

This magic circle of 260( I have another one), was the reason why I studied for a while Mayan astrology because they have 20 astrogical signs and 13 tones. So 260 different combinations.

a lot of questions, but I find this very interesting!!

Thanks Frank

AH...mayan cosmology... the Tzolkin, the Haab and the connection to the magic cube... fascinating subjects. Have you read Arguelles relating I Ching and the Mayan Calendar ?...

Sorry so few answers... I have the subject on the making only...

 

[Sparhawk]

Is it ...wise...to discuss here the Tai Hsuan? I just don't want another "tokigate affair" but is something very interesting to me...

Which version you have of it?

By the way, do you have Arguelles about magic squares? Is it worth?

I have Michael Nylan's translation and commentary. I believe it is the best English translation of the THC so far. That book is difficult to find (600 and some pages) but SUNY has an abridged version for a good price.

And don't worry about discussing it here. This place is quite open minded, even if some of us, yours truly included, are combative and stubborn...

As for Argüelles, I like him. He broke ground on a lot of issues even though he has been discredited lately. That's the price of playing prophet... He's been too vocal about the Mayan Calendar and 2012, etc. Who knows, in the end he may be vindicated and will have an opportunity to say "I told you so..."

Have you read "I Ching and Transpersonal Psychology" by Marysol González Sterling? If you haven't you'll enjoy it. It has an introduction by José Argüelles.

L

 

[frank_r]

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AH...mayan cosmology... the Tzolkin, the Haab and the connection to the magic cube... fascinating subjects. Have you read Arguelles relating I Ching and the Mayan Calendar ?...
...

Hallo Laureet,

Yes I have read severall books of Arguelles, I liked Earth Ascending most http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Ascendi...9705765?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184257458&sr=8-1
In this book there is also a lot of I Ching,

In another thread I described the connection I found between The Yi and the 260 day Calendre of the Maya's http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=4002.

And Luis I also liked the book of Marysol González Sterling, I thought it was a good book.
BTW I just ordered the book you mentioned, Thanks for pointing this out.

In the past I made many big paitings(100 by 150), so I could see the connections in perspective. And 1 of the first I made was that from Earth Ascending and the Yi.

There are magic squares in the book, several of 64(8 by 8) that make 260. And several of 16 by 16 that make 2056.
And this book has several connections from the Yi and the Maya calendre.

Frank.

 

[laureet]

I have Michael Nylan's translation and commentary. I believe it is the best English translation of the THC so far. That book is difficult to find (600 and some pages) but SUNY has an abridged version for a good price./QUOTE]

Yes, I got the same. I would like to get something from when it was still a Xuan (Hsuan) and not yet a canon (Jing) though...

Have you read "I Ching and Transpersonal Psychology" by Marysol González Sterling? If you haven't you'll enjoy it. It has an introduction by José Argüelles.

L

I will get it.. Thanks!

 

[laureet]

Hallo Laureet,

Yes I have read severall books of Arguelles, I liked Earth Ascending most http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Ascendi...9705765?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184257458&sr=8-1
In this book there is also a lot of I Ching,

That one has sooo many interesting connections...

In another thread I described the connection I found between The Yi and the 260 day Calendre of the Maya's http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=4002.

Found it...good one :bows:

In the past I made many big paitings(100 by 150), so I could see the connections in perspective. And 1 of the first I made was that from Earth Ascending and the Yi.

Frank.

That is very interesting ! Is there anything from your conclusions in that study which you want to briefly share?

 

[frank_r]

That is very interesting ! Is there anything from your conclusions in that study which you want to briefly share?

Hallo Laureet,

I hope you are still there, I have been on holiday that's why it took so long.

My personal conclusion after studying the maya calender was that you get all 64 hexagrams with the 260 days calender of the maya's and only get 58 hexagrams with the calender of 365 days we use nowadays.
(At least I don't know how you get 64 hexagrams with our calender, I know there are calenders where they have asigned the hexagrams to the year but there is never a real explanation how they come to this conclusion).

So 4 x 5 x 13 is a very important way to get insight in many things. So 260 is a important number for getting insight in our body.

After this I could understand the sequence of Fu Shi and King Wen better, which are the most important sequences to study the body and acupuncture there are. Knowing these 2 sequences is knowing the secrets of natural cure.

Well, I use diverse circles as the one I attached before or the one below, if they include the hexagram I got ... but if I want to do better work or the hexagram number is not on any circle, I use the Yang Hui square enclosed below which is ordered in the Gua order and in which all the columns, rows and the two diagonals sum up to 260. So, I locate the number of the hexagram and see its relationships on any 260 line...

That's why I found it so interesting you also came with this 260, and that' s why I want to study this further. So if you have some more of these squeres or explanations of these squares I will be more than happy.
And for the rest if you have questions about these connections, please ask.

Best wishes Frank