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I've been struggling for the past six weeks with what seems to be a cardiac issue, but I believe that is a symptom and not the problem. I have been given the run around by a handful of doctors. I believe the problem is my thyroid and its levels being rather off, causing this cardiac issue, along with losing about half my hair in six weeks' time and other more personal health concerns that I won't mention here, but ones that can only be explained by a hormone imbalance, a/k/a thyroid disorder.

I've been told I need to see a cardiologist. Fine. I call one, they don't call me back. I see my primary care doctor and they say I have some hyphenated named syndrome that can only be resolved with a pacemaker installation and that I need to see a cardiologist too and they'll set an appointment for me. (Keep in mind I am 40 years old, run a mile or two six days a week, eat healthily and am at an ideal weight.)

That was a week ago, and I don't know who I'm supposed to see or when. In the meantime, I call back to get records sent to an endocrinologist to deal with the thyroid and the doctor refuses, saying I need to see a cardiologist instead. Okay....so, why are you keeping that appointment time and doctor's name a secret from me? Is there a reason you haven't done what you promised to do yet?

Frustration is high, given the run around and the fact I do not feel well. So, I fired that primary care doctor and I have an appointment to see this new doc in 10 days. I have also found a way to get other records to the endocrinologist and I am waiting to get an appointment with them (yet another source of frustration, as they wouldn't return calls or say they received the records until I practically hand delivered them myself).

So, I asked my trusty friend, Yi "Will Dr. F. provide me the help I have been seeking?" and received 31.4 > 39.

I take that to mean that in an environment of obstruction (hex 39) that I've been experiencing with these other doctors and their staff, he will help me. The determination I have had to find a solution (31.4) will ultimately bring me success. I find it interesting that Tony Crisp's interpretation of 31.4 mentions to "guard the heart", and isn't that what I'm literally trying to do here? Fix the thyroid's hormonal imbalance so the cardiac problems go away, protecting my heart? What is your take on this casting? I appreciate your input!
 

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I couldn't resist, had to ask the IC one more question. "Will I still need to see an endocrinologist after my appointment with Dr. F.?" and received 43 Unchanging.

I think Yi is telling me that while I'll still have difficulties and have to work through some things (thyroid levels don't come up immediately), the major blockage to my issue has been removed. I believe this hexagram cautions to use my resources and to stay determined; however to release the frustration and tension I am currently feeling or more problems will come later. This makes sense, as stress, tension, being emotional all wreak havoc on ones thyroid level and function. I need to let the anger/frustration I am feeling due to these other doctors and their staff go so I can get better and allow the power of renewal to heal me.
 

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Probably you've already made a search for "hair loss", but -- just in case -- I've looked at some links. Your hair loss may not be thyroid related. You have, I think, been under heavy stress lately, and stress alone is sufficient to trigger hair loss:

http://www.hairlosslibrary.com/stress_hair_loss.html
Sudden Hair Loss Due to Stress, Anxiety

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/72021.php
Stress And Hair Loss

But should it be thyroid related:

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/hairloss.htm
Ten Things You Can Do To Stop Hair Loss With Thyroid Disease

http://www.womenshairlossproject.com/hair-loss/womens-hair-loss-support-group-need-your-input/

I'm sorry I can't respond to your reading, but I have been dealing with several pressing problems and am unable to focus.
 

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Pocossin, thanks so much for posting that. In the "Ten Things" article, the mention of treating for T3 is what I've been arguing with doctors. I know the hair loss is a T3 symptom - that's what I stumbled across originally. I also have a study by the AMA which showed that a group with low T3 who complained of cardiac issues had those same symptoms go away once their T3 levels were raised to a normal range. I'm being treated on T4 alone and I know that is my problem. My T3 is so low it isn't even in the range at all. The two doctors I've spoken with so far don't seem to be concerned with that.

However, I was surprised to see that high levels of Synthroid can also cause hair loss. Very interesting. And yes, I believe dealing with the Rodney issue, the ex dilemma and doctors who don't frankly give a damn, it has caused me to be under heavy stress. So much that my hairdresser remarked how thin my hair was after seeing me only six weeks ago. She's never said that before.

A friend of mine said she was told by a doctor that your body takes six months to show the effects of stress from your life. So, six months ago, April/May, I could see that. My ex was stalking me and texting me, I believe in an effort to frighten and control me so I would not help his new girlfriend's husband in the husband's divorce case against her. Money's been tight in this market and I think the adjustment to life alone since last December has been a continued source of stress for me. So, yeah it all makes sense in that regard too.

Thanks for those links, I'll check 'em all out. I hope those pressing problems for you go easily.
 
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Hex. 31.4 is characterized by wavering and pondering. I won't attempt a reading though.

Stress and duress really can take their toll. Try Brewers' Yeast (active) capsules for your
hair loss. It's excellent ! Recommended to me over 20 years ago and it's good for combating
fatigue, improving complexion (blemishes), building resistance, etc. Your hair stands a good chance of growing back with much volume.

Try to eat food that reduces the level of cortisol (stress hormone), it's all online - take your pick.
And rest (cortisol level=low during sleep) and enjoy yourself as much as you possibly can.

Sorry to hear you have a cardiac issue. I know with time it can be cured with a stress-free life/environment. Sure hope you can avoid a pacemaker being installed.
 

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Thanks for the response and suggestions, Themis. I am going to take a vacation later this month to a dog show (given my screenname, that's obviously something I love to do), so that should bring the stress level down. Hopefully business will pick up, the ex and his new girlfriend leave me alone and the men in my life will get a clue, so that stress will no longer be a concern of mine! LOL! Yeah, right...

I honestly think the doctor who said I needed a pacemaker made a very bad diagnosis. I have been an athlete in highly demanding sports (ice hockey, figure skating and tennis) and as I've aged, I have taken up running, pack hiking with the dog and weightlifting.

The fact that six weeks ago I suddenly developed a condition that requires a pacemaker, I find that hard to believe. I think if I had an "electrical" issue that only shows itself when the heart is under stress (i.e., exercise), it would have exhibited symptoms before now. It sounded like it was more of a congenital defect than something that suddenly appears.

I discovered that once you say chest pains or shortness of breath, doctors forget that something else could bring about the symptoms than a sinister heart defect. All they have focused on is the heart being the problem than it simply being a symptom of a larger issue, IMO. In nine days, I will be seeing another physician for his opinion and hope that I get some solutions to my problems. Thanks for your concerns and input!
 

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Mutual Influence

I've been struggling for the past six weeks with what seems to be a cardiac issue, but I believe that is a symptom and not the problem. I have been given the run around by a handful of doctors.

So, I asked my trusty friend, Yi "Will Dr. F. provide me the help I have been seeking?" and received 31.4 > 39.

I take that to mean that in an environment of obstruction (hex 39) that I've been experiencing with these other doctors and their staff, he will help me. The determination I have had to find a solution (31.4) will ultimately bring me success. I find it interesting that Tony Crisp's interpretation of 31.4 mentions to "guard the heart", and isn't that what I'm literally trying to do here?
The heart is in the reading, but it is the metaphorical heart, the seat of the emotions. Perhaps the reading is about your emotions.

I have seen my daughter show up as being "out of whack" on one thyroid test, when we took her to the doctor, just before her first year of college. She went to the doctor because she and my wife became alarmed at her hair loss. Much energy was mobilized over this, but as soon as college life became a little routine, and she was "doing it" and not thinking about it and dithering over it, the hair loss problem went away. Both the hair loss and the actual thyroid reading were caused by stress.

So, now, back to your reading, the text from the WikiWing:

"'Constancy brings good fortune, regrets vanish.
Wavering, wavering, going and coming,
Friends simply follow your desires.'"


There is an indication here that it is your constancy that brings good fortune, and that friends can do little more than follow you, but can't influence you successfully. It is hard to see the physician in here at all, and thus I think old Uncle Yi is answering the question he wants to, which is the underlying question "How do I get some help here?"

Is it possible that you are pushing yourself too much, in any particular areas, and are feeling the stress of it. Even exercise can be taken too far! Since your pulse rate is racing from running, have you considered walking? Or, more metaphorically, how can you slow down and enjoy yourself and stop pushing yourself, and see if any of these symptoms abate.

There are real medical problems in this world, and Western medicine has some wonderful cures. But sometimes the best thing is too find a way to release our stress and deal with things ourselves, before some big expert names our disease. Once you name something, it gets a life of its own.

What I don't see in this reading is the reference to the "great man" that might lead us to see the need for consultation to solve this problem. Instead of the Great Man, I see "Mutual Influence" and the need for you to steady yourself to solve this problem. In the western doctor patient paradigm, you are passive to the doctor. But you received Mutual Influence, so I see your role, in steadying the heart, as just as important as any doctor.

Maybe a little less exercise and a bit of meditation?

Tiger
 

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Samoyedmom,

Just to let you know, your question here has been linked to another thread.

Tigerintheboat noticed that both threads were about health questions, and got the same reading (31.4 > 39.)
 

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Thanks for linking the threads, lisa as there's some valuable insight on both of them. I appreciate that! And Tigerintheboat, I have to agree with you on everything you posted. When you do put a name on it (and I got some high fallootin' hyphenated one) that it not only takes on a life of its own but takes over your life. I'm not sick. Well, not THAT sick to require a pacemaker at 40. I should have keeled over years ago when I was playing ice hockey, tennis or figure skating competitively. I've just been mis-diagnosed.

I, too find it interesting that Yi does not speak of meeting with "The Great Man". So, I thought I'd follow up tonight with a question. "Will going to the dog show at month's end help me to make a turn around in regards to my health?"

Keep in mind this is a week's long show with all sorts of events, from pack hikes to weight pulls to parades to obedience to sheep herding and yes, even the "pretty dog show stuff" too. From sunrise to sunset, there's something to do with friends that I call family that come from all over the world (I've seen entries from Mexico, Canada, Norway and the United Kingdom to name a few).

Yi blew me away with the response once again: 13.6 > 49. I love this divination method!

I interpret this to mean that through reconnecting with friends old and new at this venue, my health will go through a total transformation. In one reference, I see that hexagram 49 does show a change in location (which would be the show's venue in another state) and that I will shed what does not work for me and to see things with a fresh set of eyes. The change that I will experience is divine, as I am on the right path with not only an improved outlook, but an inner transformation as well. Who wouldn't feel better after a week like that? I like it! :)
 

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Will you come back to this thread and let us know what happens? I think we'd all appreciate that :). Best wishes!
 

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I most certainly will, Lisa! I find the threads with updates are the most useful for me when I'm interpreting my castings. I update them as things happen, but some of them take a while to manifest the results. I will let you know how things go with my health!
 

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When you do put a name on it (and I got some high fallootin' hyphenated one) that it not only takes on a life of its own but takes over your life. I'm not sick. Well, not THAT sick to require a pacemaker at 40. I should have keeled over years ago when I was playing ice hockey, tennis or figure skating competitively. I've just been mis-diagnosed.

I hear you saying: "What are these dolts, these doctors, talking about? These idiots don't know me and they aren't talking about me."

You posted here that you've had some serious cardiac symptoms ... I think the basic message of hex 31 to you is to be more open and less indignant. You love vigorous movement. But vigorous movement of the "I love/I hate" kind is not good for the heart.

I know that cardiologists and doctors in general do not have good knowledge of the bodies of athletes. The bodies of athletes are not average bodies. You're right to doubt ...

.. but here at Online Clarity, we're diviners. We obviously have no licenses to practice medicine!

Be careful not to indulge in self-diagnosis, Samoyedmom. If you continue to have symptoms, aren't you free to find a doctor you actually like?

(You sound like a person with very strong likes and dislikes.)
 
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Ginnie, you most certainly do know me. Yes, I am one with distinct likes and dislikes! You have me pegged! :rofl:

But Yi has been very good for me this past year. I believe that through divination, I have developed tolerance, peace and oh, yes, the dreaded patience. (Why is it that I always get hex 5? Is that 'cause I tend to be impatient? Yeppers. Yi knows.)

Thanks for the interpretation on 31 to drop the indignation and to be open minded. I am seeing two more doctors this month to get their opinions. One, a general practice and the other an endocrinologist.

I am starting to think the last casting is resonating with me. I need to chill out, find peace and happiness as that stress is not good for me. Today, I was discussing a situation developing with my ex (he's still obsessed with me after cheating on me a year ago, OMG, go away dude) and as I was talking about it, I felt my chest tighten. It felt much like what I experience after exercise. It still aches as I type this now. Hmm. Think there could be a connection there...

Regardless, I am going to also place this information in the hands of the doctors and see what they have to say about it all. Thanks for your interpretation and advice. I will definitely do my best to heed it! :)
 

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I am seeing two more doctors this month to get their opinions.... Today, I was discussing a situation developing with my ex (he's still obsessed with me after cheating on me a year ago, OMG, go away dude) and as I was talking about it, I felt my chest tighten. ... Hmm. Think there could be a connection there...

Yes, there could definitely be a connection there ...

Just wanted to point out that in the text of hexagram 39 above the moving lines, it says, 'It will be advantageous to meet with the great man.' For some reason people hardly ever want to follow that advice.

It's so hard to find a truly great man anymore. We are compelled to lower our standards. I think it just means anyone who might shed some light on our difficulty. Good luck with the visits to those doctors!
 

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Fellowship with Men and Dogs

So, I thought I'd follow up tonight with a question. "Will going to the dog show at month's end help me to make a turn around in regards to my health?"

Keep in mind this is a week's long show with all sorts of events, from pack hikes to weight pulls to parades to obedience to sheep herding and yes, even the "pretty dog show stuff" too. From sunrise to sunset, there's something to do with friends that I call family that come from all over the world (I've seen entries from Mexico, Canada, Norway and the United Kingdom to name a few).

Yi blew me away with the response once again: 13.6 > 49. I love this divination method!

I interpret this to mean that through reconnecting with friends old and new at this venue, my health will go through a total transformation.
Certainly the reading is a positive one, and one conventional way to read H49 is that there will be a result of "radical change" in your health. I have never been a fan of seeing the second hexagram as a "result," although it can work.

But the underlying meaning of H49 is shedding of the skin, putting on a new skin to transform your identity. You leave your ordinary concerns, and go off with with your dog show family, putting on a different identity. Then you have Fellowship with People, and you meet people outside the walls, with plenty of room for people to be together who are different. H13.6 is a harmonious line; to quote Hilary's new book, "enough room for everyone to be as they are without friction" and "there is a shared interest that sets past conflicts in perspective."

It might be that symptoms will abate as the result of the trip. If that was so, and your problems diminished, that would be an indication to me that stress is one of the causes, and that when you introduce pleasure, in the form of fellowship with men and dogs;), the stress diminishes.

Tiger
 

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Samoyedmom, I'm unclear on something from back in the very beginning. Dr. F, the subject of your first reading, the 31.4 > 39 one - is he the endocrinologist or the new primary care doctor?

I'm asking because that might have some bearing on the meaning of the reading. One thing I'm thinking about in regard to this is the idea of "going along to get along," in order to make progress. In other words...doctors (being doctors) are very unlikely to be successfully "influenced" (that is, overly cooperative or malleable) if you flatly decline their diagnosis/treatment plans. The first primary care doctor wanted you to see a cardiologist. You didn't think that was necessary - and you may very well be right - but now you're in the position of spending more time starting over with a new primary care doctor, etc.

But what if you just "went along" and saw the cardiologist, just to humor the first doc? What could happen? (1) It's proven that you don't have a heart condition, in which case, hooray and on to the next step, or (2) heaven forbid, but they do find something amiss with your heart - in which case it's a good thing you had it checked.

I did pick up on the fact that they never got back to you with the cardiologist's name and an appointment time, and that is understandably frustrating (and rude.) I just don't know that "wavering" (31.4) from one doc to another is going to eliminate those sorts of problems, which seem to be endemic in medical practices generally, and that could be what 31.4 > 39 was telling you (maybe.)
 

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Samoyedmom, The fact that they never got back to you re. a cardiologist and an appointment could be attributed to some sort of 'divine intervention'. Could be the universe is alerting all parties that there's no need for specific treatment/a pacemaker ...

The pursuit of pleasure ... enjoy yourself and take only light exercise ... you'll notice the difference in a few months' time ... so will the specialists. Indulge in 'dolce farniente'. :)
 

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It might be that symptoms will abate as the result of the trip. If that was so, and your problems diminished, that would be an indication to me that stress is one of the causes, and that when you introduce pleasure, in the form of fellowship with men and dogs;), the stress diminishes.

Companionship is the best stress buster
 

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I just don't know that "wavering" (31.4) from one doc to another is going to eliminate those sorts of problems, which seem to be endemic in medical practices generally, and that could be what 31.4 > 39 was telling you (maybe.)

This could be true. Maybe the next doctor will be just as disappointing as the first one. Best possible thing would be to make a decision to be healthy, which would reduce the need to see doctors at all ...

A Course in Miracles says our bodies would stay healthy if only we would stop expecting our physical selves to do too much. Our physical bodies start to break down when we overburden and overstress them, and all bodies have weak points.

For example, a person could have a heart as healthy as a horse, but if a weakness had developed in the liver, then the liver would determine the person's overall health status.
 

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A mini-update....saw Dr. F. and really liked him. He was a great listener, receptive to my suggestions and input and I left feeling like I had experienced a good evaluation by a doctor. We did blood tests and he suggested I see an Endocrinologist (which I had an appointment with today). He would follow up after that appointment to ensure we have a treatment plan in place to address the issue(s).

Today I went to the Endocrinologist, who did not review my file prior to entering the examination room. He had to look at the file several times to remind himself of my name. It was a waste of time and money. I could go on about how ill prepared he was and how he did not listen to anything I said, but I won't. It was a wretched experience and I am surprised, given that a colleague of mine recommended this practice to me.

So, I called Dr. F.'s office and left a message for him to call me to discuss this appointment. We shall see what happens now. All I know is that the Endo's appointment resulted in taking money from me (which I don't have a lot of at the moment) and brought me to tears from such frustration. I leave in six days for the dog show -- it will not come a moment too soon. I need to get away from this added stress the doctors are bringing to me.
 

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I just did this casting with the question "What will happen as a result of today's Endocrinologist appointment?" and received 45.1.6 > 25.

I interpret Hex 45 as indecision as shown by the various doctors in line 1, but one will arise with a definitive path to take for my treatment (I think it will be Dr. F.). I think it also reflects my frustration and disappointment in what has happened to me so far with these doctors.

Hex 25, well, "disentanglement", could that mean that Yi is telling me that since I have done my part with these doctors and they know my problems that it is time for me to disentangle myself from the problem overall? I have given them the responsibility to assign the proper treatment and now I need to let it go and stop worrying about it...or is it simply saying "Get out of town and get away from this issue by having fun with your friends at the dog show"?

What's your take on it? Thanks for your help!
 

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Let go ... go out of town and have fun with your friends at the dog show ! If possible, thereafter, take a relaxing break for at least a week :) Some doctors are quite hopeless ! They seem to lack true dedication with respect to the profession and their patients' welfare.
 

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I have to agree with both of you, themis and ginnie! I am going to leave in five days and I cannot wait! I think that is the best medicine - time with friends. I am not going to do the extra blood test as the worthless doc suggested and I am going to focus on having fun and not stressing out.

It is a vicious cycle - the stress makes things worse for the thyroid and when I see/feel the results, it stresses me out more. So, it's time for me to unplug. I told Dr. F. that one would be remiss if they did not acknowledge the high stress levels in my life had some sort of impact on my thyroid's health, which of course he agreed. So, it's time to prescribe some fun for me and see how/if that changes things.

Thanks for your input on the last casting! I think Dr. Yi also agrees with both of you! :bows:
 

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I just did this casting with the question "What will happen as a result of today's Endocrinologist appointment?" and received 45.1.6 > 25.

I interpret Hex 45 as indecision as shown by the various doctors in line 1, but one will arise with a definitive path to take for my treatment (I think it will be Dr. F.). I think it also reflects my frustration and disappointment in what has happened to me so far with these doctors.
I have to say that you did not ask whether you should go to the dog show. Of course you should go to the dog show! Fellowship with men (and women and dogs) has already been ordered up. This reading is about something else.

But this is a hopeful reading for the future...

In Line 1, now or the beginning, nothing has been resolved, and there is no completion. And yet going on with the process is "no mistake."

'There is truth and confidence, no completion.
Hence disorder, hence gathering together.
Like a call, one clasp of the hands brings about laughter.
No doubts.
Going on, not a mistake.'

Line 6 is a warning that you will have to express your feelings throughout the process, or you will get "stuck."

Paying tribute: lamenting, weeping, snivelling.
Not a mistake.'


Approaching the whole problem with disentanglement (H25), you are more likely to find the great people and get the good fortune promised.

In your case, disentanglement means not to be hung up on any one approach to solving the problem...if the doctors don't have answers, then something else will arise. But you are not yet in charge of solving your own problem.

To quote Hilary's wonderful new book: (Buy it here and support this site! Hilary's book at Amazon!)

"Without Entanglement marks a time when bad things can happen through no fault of your own. It is time to disengage from the misfortune--not yet the right moment to assume ownership of everything in your domain and take action."


Have a good time at the show. (I have to tell you that the only dog I ever owned was a Samoyed. They are beautiful dogs!)

Tiger
 

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Thanks, Tigerintheboat! It's nice to know another Samoyed aficionado is here! LOL! :p Well, I believe that they are the best breed around, but then again I am biased. They are special dogs, ones with high intelligence and an even bigger heart. Thank goodness for mine, as he has been by my side through all the fun with my health situation and of course the trials and tribulations of romance this year. So, to reward him for being loyal, it's time to attend a week worth of fun just for him. ;)

Since I casted, I spoke with Dr. F. and told him all of what had happened with the Endocrinologist. (Hex 45.6?) He and I agreed that I would go to him primarily for management of the thyroid and that I understood that if it got outside of his ability to treat it, I would see an Endocrinologist again....just not THAT one. In addition, Dr. F. told me the results of my antibody test, which explains why/how we have not been able to keep it under control. I have Hashimoto's Disease. My body is literally attacking and slowly destroying its own thyroid. It thinks the thyroid is a threat to me and must be destroyed.

Once my meds get increased, it takes a few months for my body to produce enough antibodies again where I start feeling badly once more. That explains the wide swings in test results. So, trust me, I will continue to let the docs know what's going on and my thoughts and follow the advice of 45.6!

I have placed my treatment in the hands of Dr. F. and I am attempting to be more like Hex 25 here. Today is day three where I have not had the same kind of chest pains that I have endured since August. What's the difference? Taking half of my supplements (the Endo said I was consuming too much iodine), adding more vitamin D and relaxing the mind and focusing on preparations for my trip (and not thinking about my health for a change). I can't wait to see what happens after the vacation! Thanks for your input and I'll try to follow Yi's advice!
 

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A mini-update....saw Dr. F. and really liked him. He was a great listener, receptive to my suggestions and input and I left feeling like I had experienced a good evaluation by a doctor.
Yay! I'm glad this went so well :). Apparently I was on the wrong track about 31.4 > 39, which is a good thing :D.

Thanks for updating!
 

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