Help interpreting Hexagram 41, line 3 & 6 to Hexagram 11!

[gluntz77]

Hello!

I started a business about 3 years ago that requires lengthy business trips to Hong Kong at least 2 times per year. Each trip, I travel alone from 2 to 6 months, depending on my work progress, and my husband (of 9 years) stays behind to take care of his regular job.

In the beginning, I was lonely & fearful and missed my husband a lot, but now I actually look forward to my trips: I have time to think for myself, am excited about meeting new friends and, basically, feel free & happy.

I asked IChing a question: what future holds for me in Hong Kong?

The answer I received was: Hex 41 with moving line 3 & 6, then to Hex 11.

What does Hex 41's line 3 pertain to? Is Iching predicting my husband or I would have a companion when we are left alone?

Can someone shed light on this line or the reading?

Many thanks

gluntz77

 

[candid]

Welcome, Gluntz.

Asking for a future prediction can be an "iffy" proposition. I'm not saying Yi can not foresee our future to some extent, but the future depends to a large degree on the decisions we make along the way. But with the Yi, one can't say anything like this with absolute certainty.

If we approach your reading as council rather than as a prediction, I'd say that the advise is to reduce the degree of passion involved here. 11 speaks to harmony between the Yin and Yang forces or energies. This equals a perfect balance of openness and forcefulness.

Line 3 speaks of the likeliness of meeting someone when traveling alone. Or at least that is where the mind goes. Loneliness attracts a companion. In line 6, "if" you and your husband are able to enjoy the increase of independence without depriving one another of each other - in other words, remaining faithful - then you both may be increased by this experience. There's no hard, fast rule here, but using wisdom and circumspection increases the chance of making the right choices along the way, and thus avoiding the potential pitfalls that comes with expansion.

 

[brian]

Many people go to the I ching looking for the future, but the I ching only shows the past.

If you keep going to the I Ching you will soon discover that the past best illuminates the future.

Looking back, seeing reflections of what is to come. This is the lesson of Sun;Tai

Sun being to the lower cannon what Tai is to the upper cannon.

Decreasing, going back, seeing the same as it was, experiencing what it is, knowing what it will become.

Sun--mountain above lake below--a great mountain too large for one to see, one looks at the lake at its feet and sees it reflected in there.

Decreasing, when the great practice restraint and empower what is low.

The path you chose is a powerful path, for it is one that best demonstrates how to understand the I ching.

Explore sun;tai, walk from start to finish, then look back and see that tai;sun is the same.

 

[gluntz77]

Thank you both Brian & Candid for your invaluable advise & insight! I ask Iching all the time about the future and agree that readings tend to be "general". Besides, I frequently do not understand what it's telling me.

Now, I've learned that future readings should be approached as a council. And, it's a revelation Brian's remark about Iching only showing the past, looking back to reflect what is to come.

Again, many thanks.

 

[candid]

For the record, I do not agree with Brain's statement: "but the I ching only shows the past"

Brain, I'm curious where you heard/read this or how you arrived at this conclusion.

 

[brian]

When I look back and see the sun rise, I know that when I look forward I will see the sun set. All this I do with the sun over my head.

 

[candid]

If you are Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys, then I will assume you are correct. But if not, then you are merely a philosopher. Just kidding. So then one need not even consult the oracle. Just read yesterday's newspaper.

 

[jeanystar]

entelechy: that actualization of form-giving cause as contrasted with potential existence.

 

[candid]

This is getting deep.

entelechy - full existence: the real existence of a thing, not merely its theoretical existence.

 

[jerryd]

entelechy- an existance which only can be experienced by an individual, not in a group experience, unless predefined at an earlier time by said group. (opinion by me) This may exclude a full existance and actualization as may be defined by meaning?

 

[candid]

mmm, I don't think enthelechy is existential. More like hex. 63; at least at its root: literally ?having completeness? or end. That said, it is also attributed to Brahman, which is impersonal, and this is more true to Jeany's definition.

 

[jerryd]

Point taken and I will look to see if I can agree to this on a more eclectic front.

 

[candid]

chucklin here.. if "I" look to see if "I" can agree to this, that isn't entelechylogical.

Don't mind me, Jerry. I'm just in a mood.

 

[jerryd]

Just Grins back to ya Candid. Keep smileing!!

 

[freemanc]

Brian and Candid's advice strikes me as right on the money.

Let me add some different nuances the primitive Yijing came up with re 41.3.6>11 and her life and career.

41.3. Roughly, it says that if you wait on an alliance to come together and don't make a move, you may be left out in the cold anyway; go ahead and make the move. So that's pretty clear; keep the Hong Kong thing working.

41.6 Increasing your interest in your "ceremonial" concerns, familial concerns. Hm. Who is this virtuous minister, or "Get a bondservant" you are considering taking aboard? I don't care to suppose whether or not it's your husband. And apparently neither does the oracle; you're admonished to "read again"; That's another issue to grapple with, I guess. Again, it is favorable to go; 11 seems to just underscore that yet again.

Or to reduce it, you are being told your career and your personal life are different issues; read again about the latter as a separate matter. (As a middle aged, married person I don't entirely get that; career and family are always tangled to me...but it may make sense in your situation.)

Off hand, I'd take that to mean that your spouse is supportive in the HK venture and so go for it, but you shouldn't take that for granted; read further, and I don't just mean the Yijing.


FC

 

[freemanc]

Brian and Candid's advice strikes me as right on the money.

Let me add some different nuances the primitive Yijing came up with re 41.3.6>11 and her life and career.

41.3. Roughly, it says that if you wait on an alliance to come together and don't make a move, you may be left out in the cold anyway; go ahead and make the move. So that's pretty clear; keep the Hong Kong thing working.

41.6 Increasing your interest in your "ceremonial" concerns, familial concerns. Hm. Who is this virtuous minister, or "Get a bondservant" you are considering taking aboard? I don't care to suppose whether or not it's your husband. And apparently neither does the oracle; you're admonished to "read again"; That's another issue to grapple with, I guess. Again, it is favorable to go; 11 seems to just underscore that yet again.

Or to reduce it, you are being told your career and your personal life are different issues; read again about the latter as a separate matter. (As a middle aged, married person I don't entirely get that; career and family are always tangled to me...but it may make sense in your situation.)

Off hand, I'd take that to mean that your spouse is supportive in the HK venture and so go for it, but you shouldn't take that for granted; read further, and I don't just mean the Yijing.


FC

 

[freemanc]

Please excuse the double post; saw something shiny after pushing the back button...

 

[candid]

FC, just for future reference, you can go to "Edit profile" and from there edit your posts. To my knowledge, you can't delete them entirely, though.

 

[midaughter]

Hexagram 41, line 3 & 6 = 11!


There is a problem that you have compoounded the question at least in your mind. is this question about your business or your husband? I will assume it is your business but you should be clear in your mind about this. Line 41 is very often seen in business situations so I will assume this does pertain to your business in China.
The third line indicates you will be left out of something as two of the original three individuals will work together without you. Odd person out so to speak.
This sixth line is favorable for business so things will be fine and sucessful after the two people go off together.

In business Hexagram 11, according to Master Ni signifies that the buyer profits more than the seller. I would be interested to know if this is applicable. Otherwise in business everything is copasetic. ( copacetic \copacetic\ copasetic \copasetic\adj.
1. completely satisfactory.

As ever,

Sun

 

[seeker]

I wondered about that too. Sometimes the answer can have different conotations depending on what we were thinking about at the time. If you were thinking solely about your business, it could mean one thing, but if you were thinking about your marriage or even both, even if one was just in the back of your mind, well that could change the focus of the answer entirely.

As for predicting the future, of course the Oracle can do it, its just a matter of whether or not it will share that info with you. I still fall into the trap of asking future questions sometimes, but I have discovered that I get better responses if I ask what to do about a situation and then just follow the advice and see where it takes me, trusting that wherever I end up will be where I need to be.