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I have a breathing problem for several years which has been wrongly diagnosed as asthma. No matter how deep I breathed it wouldn't be enough. It's been then diagnosed as sleep apnea and also anxiety. All these years I've been working to control anxiety and succeeded well. Now the problem is back again since early this year. I went to ER twice and doctors said it's only anxiety. But I'm in a very good moment now and have NO reason to be anxious. And don't feel anxious at all.

I'm trying to find out what's the origin of this problem and made 4 readings. I'm very confused with them. They are:

What health problem is this short breath about?
17 : 4, 5, 6 >> 27
What could I be doing wrong? What could be those birds?

What can be said about this short breath?
40 : 1, 2, 5 >> 17
Seems auspicious news. But repeated 17...

What’s the origin of this problem?
30 : 3, 6 >> 51 :confused:


What’s the cause of this new crisis?
57 : 2, 3, 5, 6 >> 2
Is it suggesting that I try to find a new diagnosis?

Please, help me.
 
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Off hand it looks like an allergic reaction to something you're eating.

however..

The first thing which came to mind was CHF, or congestive heart failure (something I deal with). The reason is that when I saw 30 and 51 in your last reading, it reminded me of the origin of the CHF in me, which came from a sort of burn out with many shocks before and after. The forewarning of this was years of untreated high blood pressure, partly resulting from high sodium intake and smoking cigarettes (27!) and prolonged stress levels. The greatest (and surprisingly sudden) symptom was the loss of ability to take in air. The good news is it is treatable through proper diet and medication (27), exercise and sleep (17), and 17 is also following doctor's orders and what our own body is telling us.

But aside from that, I'd look into allergies.

edit: btw, my ex wife of 32 years is an asthmatic, and the symptoms aren't as you describe. If a wheeze occurs on the exhale, that can be indicative of asthma. But if you can't seem to take enough air in, as though your lungs are already full... that is a symptom of chf. If you are retaining water, that also is a symptom of chf.

I don't mean to scare or mislead, but if your blood pressure is high and you retain water, and can't seem to intake enough air, you should look into the chf possibility, or at least suggest to the doctor.
 
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Yes, I agree, hex 27 is about what you eat and drink, so I would assume that you are allergic to something in the food but you need specific tests to find out what chemical is causing the reaction.

Do you smoke or drink alcohol, or is there one particular food/sweet that you love to eat?
 
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That makes a lot of sense!!! I forgot now but I'm reiteratedly having tachycardia at night.

Funny thing is that the other day I asked the Yi: "what do I need to know as to the hypothesis this is related to cardiac problem?" The answer: 4 - Meng :)
I immediately concluded this was something very fool of me to ask.
I'm going to see the doctor right now.

But I feel there is some alergic problem involved too. I'll try to see a specialist as well.

Hope I can find.

Thank you very much Bruce!!
 
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Thank you Willowfox!!

I smoke but just clove cigarrets once a day and 3 on weekends... And recently I'm having more white sugar than desirable...

I'll look for a specialist too.
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That's a coincidence. I have also been having troubles with my heart beat recently - have been having trouble getting off to sleep and then over active dreams etc, and palpitations, getting hot etc. Could be the weather warming too, but my digestion has also been funny lately. I have a feeling it's excess sugar for me too..

I asked the I ching and on two occasions was given hex 11 - I think clearly saying I need to balance what I eat more - sweet/ savoury etc. and also balance hot/ cold forming foods (which I recently discovered reading a book on Chinese medicine). The reading 42>11 was especially clear - saying my stomach needs more of a chance to become empty again after filling up to be more receptive to food, which should be balanced...

My post lower down in the threads on food/ health matters, describe these readings further if you find them helpful. I think they were mainly saying I need to give my body, mind and stomach more of a break.. little bit over-wrung and I'm pretty sure sugar before bed has been part of the culprit - encouraging my thoughts and pulse into over-drive.

Hope that's helpful!

:):bows:
 

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On your readings, perhaps getting 17 suggests you should follow up your complaints by taking them to someone who can advise you - someone informed in the matter of health such as doctor, nutritionist or even a Chinese herbalist!
 

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Please give up the clove cigarettes for a period and see if your breathing improves. I also used more them for a while... but the issue is the smoke it produces... any kind of smoke is horrible for your lungs especially if you don't do rigorous exercise regularly to help clean them out.
 
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Funny thing is that the other day I asked the Yi: "what do I need to know as to the hypothesis this is related to cardiac problem?" The answer: 4 - Meng :)
I immediately concluded this was something very fool of me to ask.
I'm going to see the doctor right now.

So many IC users use 4 as a stick to beat themselves and others with. :eek:

mountain over water (and/or abyss)

"Water is something that of necessity flows on. When the spring gushes forth, it doesn't know at first where it will go. But its steady flow fills up the deep place blocking its progress, and success is attained." Wilhelm 4

Or - is it just possible that Yi doesn't know the direct answer to your question? It's a thought, especially since 4 is right there inside the Yi :mischief:. As though saying "I don't know, continue your course to find out." Or maybe, "I don't know what terms to use that you would understand." Humans aren't always the brightest people.

Regarding tachycardia, I used to call it "a thousand drums beating." Since diagnosis, treatment, and quitting smoking, no more drums.

Good luck, Mary, and bless your heart and the rest of you.
 

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Mary

I hope you figure this out and get it resolved very soon!
Blessings to you:)
 

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Thank you so so much Em Ching!!!
I’ll study more your posts. I do know there is something really wrong with my eating / nourishing in general. I’ll be more alert to this.

And Fatequeen, thanks for the advice. Quit is in my plans. I’m just sorry with the fact that I really thought that smoking tops 3-clove-ones a day would be harmless… Now I see I’m wrong.

:blush: :)
Mary.
 

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So many IC users use 4 as a stick to beat themselves and others with. :eek:

mountain over water (and/or abyss)

"Water is something that of necessity flows on. When the spring gushes forth, it doesn't know at first where it will go. But its steady flow fills up the deep place blocking its progress, and success is attained." Wilhelm 4

Or - is it just possible that Yi doesn't know the direct answer to your question? It's a thought, especially since 4 is right there inside the Yi :mischief:. As though saying "I don't know, continue your course to find out." Or maybe, "I don't know what terms to use that you would understand." Humans aren't always the brightest people.

Regarding tachycardia, I used to call it "a thousand drums beating." Since diagnosis, treatment, and quitting smoking, no more drums.

Good luck, Mary, and bless your heart and the rest of you.

:rofl:

Thanks for your help with reading Meng-4. It fits so well :).
As to tachycardia, :) that's a very good way to describe. I feel as if there was an amplifier turned on in my head.

Now a question: were your shorts of breath frequent? Did they last for a long time before you find your diagnosis?

:hug:
 
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I came back from the doctor a while ago and would like to share results with you. I will very much appreciate your further inputs in the reading below.

The cardiologist asked for a lot of tests. Results are not ready yet, but he said something that is really bothering me. He mentioned that the size of my lungs could indicate emphysema. Needless to say how striked I got. :(

I arrived here and first thing was asking the Yi: how close to the diagnosis an emphysema is? 26 : 5 >> 9

Wilhelm describes 26 as a dichotomy allowing it to mean either holding together or holding back. Or even a trichotomy if one considers nourishment. (This is also what the Fan Yao hints). But, “antiquity” is puzzling. Do you believe it means a genetic / inherited disease? In this case, would this be a positive reply? None of my ancestors had lung problem. Although I was “born a smoker” because my mother smoked (thoroughly) during pregnancy. :eek:

Also, do you believe the “gentle breeze” described by Hex.9 would mean short of breath? Oh my!!!

OTOH – analyzing the paired hex. (25) and its respective line (2), I see an allusion to the advise that it’d be pointless to try to go deeper in the comprehension of the diagnosis at this moment? It could also be saying that one is creating too “great beasts”, as Bradford Hatcher describes.

Nuclear hex. is 38 and it’s less scaring since it describes divergent directions.

What do you think of my interpretation?
P.S.: I just threw asking how close to the correct diagnosis is a cardiac failure. Reply: 30
 
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26.5
The tusk of a gelded boar.
Good fortune.

I see this as saying that the diagnosis was accurate and the good news is that they are catching this in time to be able to solve the problem.

Best wishes love and light to you, Mary,
Rosada
 
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Hi Mary,

Excellent that you went and had this looked into.

I like Rosada's take on 26.5, good news that you are able to catch it in time, it's not too late to prevent serious damage.

Also, on the emotional level, learning these kinds of things about our body can be huge shocks to our system, so 26.5 could apply there as well, saying to take it easy, keep the horses calm. The time will come to go forward, but for now, hold back and gather strength and a clear mind.

You asked about my deal. I was in denial for a long time about my condition, both mentally and physically. But in reality, the problem developed gradually over many years. Symptomatically, it very suddenly became unmanageable. Yi called it 28.6 - literally drowning. Couldn't lie down to sleep because lungs filled with water, so there was gasping for air. When I finally went in, my blood pressure was through the roof, and my heart had shown to be enlarged: all characteristic of chf.

Doesn't now sound like your situation, though, does it?

Not to nag you (ok I'll nag you), clove cigs are very hard on lungs and heart. Something like that, alone, could make a huge difference in your health and sense of well being. And we were talking about 27 and allergies? Ok, nag over. ;)
 

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Thank you very much Bruce and Rosada.

Well, now I think I'll try to live as normal as I can, although not breathing well. And then I'll get back here next week to share results. I can't lie down to sleep either. But I don't know how it feels to have water in the lungs... BTW the physician said that my heart is unusually small, in contrast with the lungs... :( That's why he suspected the other thing.

Bruce, I'm tempted to ask you more about your own problem, but I feel there's no point. I just have to accept whatever comes and live the best possible way. That's life.

ANYWAY, what do you think about the 30 I mentioned?

Thank you very much.
 

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I see hexagram 26 reassuring you that the doctors you have connected with have a great background of knowledge. Their library consists of "many sayings of antiquity and many deeds of the past." Thus I think 26.5 is a very positive omen for a clear diagnosis and a healthy ultimate outcome - whatever the actual problem turns out to be.
As for 30 - and this is just my own take on the image, others here might know what the traditional medical associations are for this hexagram - as it is fire over fire, I see this as being like a heart that keeps on beating day after day, thus a good omen, I would think, for a question concerning your heart. I could also see this as a symbol of the lower self aligning with the higher self, and thus a message to you to do all the things for your body that supposedly our higher self would have us do. In other words, you may be particularly sensitive to indulgences other people can get away with and so you may get told you have to adopt an unusually pure lifestyle.
rosada
 
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Mary,

It's my opinion that Yi can and often does tap into our emotions, and so given what appears to be your state of anxiety, I suspect that 30 speaks mostly to that. Caring for the cow, tending to what is essential, freeing up what is bound, transforming food into life force, being true, and being alert to catch hold of knowledge and opportunities.

Any feedback on your blood pressure or fluid retention?

Oh, btw, chf isn't really cardiac failure, such as a heart attack or stroke.
 

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Any feedback on your blood pressure or fluid retention?
Oh, btw, chf isn't really cardiac failure, such as a heart attack or stroke.

Thanks :)
BP is OK, but I'll use holter as from tomorrow. Fluid retention I don't know :eek:
I'll check. How does it feel when one has it? Ops, ref. chf, yep, I said failure as a synonim to chf. :) Obrigada.

Well, your reading of 30 makes a lot of sense. This thread will be a good one to practice, don't you think? I'll update it. I'm really anxious, but very happy especially because this afternoon I feel very well.

"De médico, feiticeiro e louco,
todo mundo tem um pouco
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I see hexagram 26 reassuring you that the doctors you have connected with have a great background of knowledge. Their library consists of "many sayings of antiquity and many deeds of the past." Thus I think 26.5 is a very positive omen for a clear diagnosis and a healthy ultimate outcome - whatever the actual problem turns out to be.
As for 30 - and this is just my own take on the image, others here might know what the traditional medical associations are for this hexagram - as it is fire over fire, I see this as being like a heart that keeps on beating day after day, thus a good omen, I would think, for a question concerning your heart. I could also see this as a symbol of the lower self aligning with the higher self, and thus a message to you to do all the things for your body that supposedly our higher self would have us do. In other words, you may be particularly sensitive to indulgences other people can get away with and so you may get told you have to adopt an unusually pure lifestyle.
rosada

Thank you Rosada.
You know, I really liked the doctor and it really makes the difference when it comes to have someone to take care of our fate.
Ref. 30 I initially felt it like "this is the truth", i.e., this is the diagnosis (heart). For some reason I think I'd prefer to have a heart problem rather than the other one so I had a hope this is what the 30 would say. But that's probably just foolish and self-illusion. I think the best I can do now is to wait for the diagnosis and then rediscuss it here with you guys.

:hug:
 
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Thanks :)
BP is OK, but I'll use holter as from tomorrow. Fluid retention I don't know :eek:
I'll check. How does it feel when one has it? Ops, ref. chf, yep, I said failure as a synonim to chf. :) Obrigada.

Well, your reading of 30 makes a lot of sense. This thread will be a good one to practice, don't you think? I'll update it. I'm really anxious, but very happy especially because this afternoon I feel very well.

"De médico, feiticeiro e louco,
todo mundo tem um pouco
"

You'd know if you were holding fluids. Your ankles swell and you don't pee enough. And without high blood pressure, I'd eliminate chf as the culprit. Be thankful for that. :)

Try to stay calm while waiting to hear more info from the tests.

Being confronted with ones own mortality can have a remarkably clarifying effect (30) on us, putting things into a different perspective.
 

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I used to think of 30 as indicating two very solitary, disconnected people. Now that Mary is saying how much she likes her doctor, I'm realizing that 29 is the one that is about being alone - and the danger in that - and 30 really is about the first steps of connecting, becoming one with others not physically but intuitively. By mirroring the movements of the higher man, the lower man comes to be in sync with the higher vibration. By following the doctor's guidance the patient becomes healthy.
rosada
 

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Hi Mary
The new picture is beautiful. It's good to see you in all your glory.:hug:

Mike
 

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First I'd like to thank you all for the care and affection. :hug:

I'm so happy that I wanted to tell you before making any further analysis on (all) the readings. I'm so, so relieved to say that the first tests show that my heart and lungs are O.K.. It seems that I have an otolaryngologic problem and allergy as well, probably to the high humidity (and temperature ~ 38º now) of this region. I didn't have it before because I was born and raised in the South (drier and cooler air), but now the funguses are tougher on me.

Thanks , thanks again!!!
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