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Happy new year everyone!

I am new to the yijing and starting to explore hexagrams of context. I will illustrate my question:
If I had for instance
35.2.5.6 > 47
Do I consider nuclear and complementary hexagrams of 35 or 47 or both?
And should I always consider them or only if I do/don't have changing lines?

Thank you so much for your help
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Tatiana
 

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Hi Tatiana

My own (limited) experience with the I Ching is that the ways and patterns you can use to understand your readings can be one too many to count and you might get into a mire instead of really finding meaning if you try to be too thorough . . there are inverse, opposite, nuclears, the list goes on.
In the end though, the meaning of a throw can fly in the face of conventions and systems, or be very very literal so you have to find your own way through it all, basically by trial and error, until you find your own way . . .
I have used and sometimes still use various such methods but the answers that really made sense and stayed with me were those that arose rather spontaneously and felt natural and easy . . . for the rest and especially for those cases that are too opaque, the forums and people here can also provide you with a great learning ground sharing their insights (you can use 'Shared Readings' to ask for others' interpretations)

I'm much of a beginner myself but imho often 'less is more' when it comes to grasping things, while the more patterns interfere with one's reasoning, the more knotty or mute the answers might feel . . I remember getting 16 to 11 once and using all sorts of methods to understand it, only to get my eyes opened by a phonecall at exactly 16:11 the same day :duh:
 

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Happy new year everyone!

I am new to the yijing and starting to explore hexagrams of context. I will illustrate my question:
If I had for instance
35.2.5.6 > 47
Do I consider nuclear and complementary hexagrams of 35 or 47 or both?
And should I always consider them or only if I do/don't have changing lines?

Thank you so much for your help
:bows:
Tatiana

I don't consider either mainly for the reasons Dora gives. I'm also even beginning to feel it can be misleading to get too hooked into actual wording of text...sometimes answers can even come just through considering the shape of the hexagram, through an image or impression.

I'm not saying the nuclear and complementary and all the other pattern detection things can't enhance a reading it just not a direction I've ever been attracted to.....yet anyway

I'd say Yi gives the most direct answer it can solike Dora said getting too caught up in technicalities might mean you miss a really literal answer


I think some people enjoy the more 'technical' approach though so its to their taste and works for them so i think as a newbie if it really draws you to look for for line pathways and patterns and so on you should follow that. Its a very individual thing. But if it all just seems to make interpretation too complex i think you shouldn't worry about it.

just realised haven't even answered the question you asked.......cos i don't know anyway. I presume mainly people look at the nuclear hexagram of the primary hexagram, here 35....but to get a better feel of the relating hexagram i see no reason you wouldn't look at the nuclear of that too if you wanted to... and the same with the complementary hexagram.

not sure what the complementary hexagram is....i should know but i don't
 
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I think some people enjoy the more 'technical' approach though so its to their taste and works for them so i think as a newbie if it really draws you to look for for line pathways and patterns and so on you should follow that. Its a very individual thing. But if it all just seems to make interpretation too complex i think you shouldn't worry about it.


seconding that and just wanted to add that I am one of those who very much enjoy the technical aspects . . and every once in a while I'll come across something that makes a lot of sense and use it, but I don't consider any of it a prerequisite to understanding or communicating an answer . . it's all great to my eyes as long as you don't get too attached to the methodical, systematic part . .
 

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Thanks Rodaki and Trojan for taking the time to answer my question.
I have been keeping a journal with my readings with my interpretation, my actions and the outcome so that I can look back again and check if I understood what the yi was telling and in the cases when I didn't it is then easier to see what the message really was.
I take then I am on the right path doing this, and as everything else in life practice makes it perfect!
I'll keep practising!
And Trojan "the complement of a hexagram is its mirror image: each broken line is replaced with a solid one, and vice versa." - Hilary http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/consult/contexts.php

Thank you once again
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Tatiana
 

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Hi Tatiana!
For many times I have excluded the meaning of the Second Hexagram from my readings and it proves that I'm wrong. When I look back at all my past readings I can see that the Second Hexagram has giving me the final clue of the situation - in many cases the Advice what to do. I look at the Image of the Second Hexagram (and perhaps the text). But in many cases the title of the Second Hexagram is already giving me Advice itself. For example, some day ago I have reading about the following day and asking IC to give me some insights and advices about it and I received the hexagram 53.5 which leads to 52.
53 says Development (Gradual Progress) - that is what I did throughout the whole day: I was working on some project and I was progressing gradually. The Wild Goose of the lines is symbol about making long last results in the works that you do - pieces of art that would last for long.
But the Second Hexagram 52 I couldn't fit in the whole situation.
It says Keeping Still, Mountain At the end of the day I received sudden information that some ex coworker of mine did awful criminal act upon my back. I flame in anger: "How can he do that to me"?! The anger was growing and growing. I couldn't calm my self. I took the phone and with anger in my voice I called him with rising tone of the voice. From his side he was "proving that he's right" - something which makes me more angry. In one moment I remember the early morning IC reading and calm my self.

Mountains standing close together:

The image of KEEPING STILL.

Thus the superior man
Does not permit his thoughts

To go beyond his situation.


Two mountains standing close together - me and my ex coworker.
Thus the superior man does not permit his thoughts to go beyond his situation - it shows exactly the situation in which I was involved.
So, my experiences with this and many other situations shows me that - yes, the second hexagram is part of the reading - especially the advice is in its Image! Try for your self with everyday IC reading and you'll see.

My best to You
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Thanks Ile!
I used to see the second hexagram as the result, but then, after reading the posts here I saw that the majority of people mostly consider the first one and changing lines, so lately I was doing that.
It is good to see a different perspective on that, since I still haven't found what it is best for me.
I will go back to my readings and see what I can learn from your input.
Namaste!
 

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Yes, check it for your self. Don't base your viewpoints upon our experiences. I Ching has different approaches and relationship with everyone of us. My experience tells me that the Second Hexagram is really valuable, and I demonstrate a short example. Others has different experiences, and the conclusion is that there's no unite viewpoint on I Ching. Therefor I rarely ask others but rather check out for my self. The truth is what is true for you. Good luck!
 

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Thanks Ile!
I used to see the second hexagram as the result, but then, after reading the posts here I saw that the majority of people mostly consider the first one and changing lines, so lately I was doing that.
It is good to see a different perspective on that, since I still haven't found what it is best for me.
I will go back to my readings and see what I can learn from your input.
Namaste!

I don't know anyone who doesn't use the second hexagram in interpreting their reading. Thats a fairly basic thing . I don't feel it useful to see the second hexagram as the result and only the result, it is more the context, the actual background to the question which can include future, past and present.

As I understood your initial question you weren't asking about using the second hexagram you were asking about using the nuclear and complementary hexagrams derived from the second hexagram. So yes the second hexagram is important though for me i think less so when just one line is moving as that is such a strong factor
 
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