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Hello all!
While I am undergoing my personal drama in my marriage a friend of mine who was my shoulder to cry approached me for the insight from on a drama of her own.
I am personally very happy that I converted ))) someone into an IChinger. The oracle does give a lot of guidance provided we want to hear it.
Anyways, she is in this on off relationship with the guy. They were together for three years and then out of blue she received an email from his girlfriend. That absolutely baffled her, she broke off all the communication with him. 5 month down the road he contacted her and they started seeing each other again after he had sworn that him and the girlfriend had broken up.
She is saying that it is casual, she doesn't want to build her hopes up, but I feel like she wants something more. Thus there is a question she asked "please comment if this guy is worth pursuing". She casted the question herself. I just wanted to reach out to all of you to help interpret the results. I gave her the explanation of that she just need to strip away and disperse from the whole idea of pursuing him. That there is nothing in there. My only puzzlement is about line 5 in 23. It seems positive.
What do you think? Was I right in my interpretation?
Thank you kindly you all!!
Love, Vikk
 

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I think you got it right with your interpretation... 23 is definitely splitting apart, removing yourself from a situation, and 59 is very similar, dispersing, letting it fade away. 23.5 is probably hinting at that there are plenty more fish in the sea :D
 

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Hi juaneros!
Thank you for the response. Again makes me proud that I am finally getting something with the oracle.

My friend asked for more clarification from the oracle as "Why is he not worth pursuing?" and got 58.4.5>19
As it was said before sometimes when we ask questions about "them", we still get questions about "us". That is what I explained to her saying that she is overindulging on the topic of his worthiness (58). She trying to understand if she could possibly have something with him in the future (58.4). But ultimately she will be getting herself involved with the person who can harm her (58.5) and even though they could be together (19) it will end on the 8th month which is as I read is September.

Then I also thought that maybe Yi DOES talk about him in this situation. My take on that was: He is not worth pursuing that he is overindulging on pleasures of female attention choosing between pleasures (girls) right now (58.4) (so I guess he didn't break up with his "girl-friend" afterall or maybe even involved with somebody third). Ultimately he will get involved with somebody else - the inferior (I don't believe it is my friend though) (58.5) and it will harm him.

Next idea is coming from here.
As we all probably know, when uncertain about relationship we go crazy. We go crazy with the oracle too. In my personal experience i kept casting again and again about my marriage, that IChing just stopped talking to me - threw 31 at me (as stop pushing), then 29 (I don't have a solid answer for you) and other hexagrams of I-refuse-talking-to-you.
So maybe 58 is the way of Yi saying "Stop talking to me about this guy. Just give me a break. I am not giving you answers to your questions. Just stop overindulging (58), stop choosing which cast to follow (58.4), you are involving yourself with your inferior self (58.5). Don;t you see it is damaging you!"

What do you guys think?
Am I overindulging with interpretations? And should just stick to the obvious one?
Love, Vikk
 

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Hi again, and you're welcome for the last response. I think you should just stick to the obvious on this one, I think the I Ching is suppose to be simple, we are the ones that usually over think the answers it gives us. The resulting hexagram can represent past/present/future, actually I think time doesn't really exist for the I Ching, hehe... but I think hex 19 is what is happening to your friend, they've met, it was lovely (or not), and now the 8th month (not literally) has come. Why is he not worth pursuing? And the answer is 58.5... because the situation is already decaying, and it's dangerous to have confidence in what is decaying. And yes, you are right... the question is about him, but it is her asking the question so it gives 'her' the answer. Also I don't think the I Ching gets tired ever of giving us an answer, hehe... but yeah, it just confuses us more when we ask too many questions about the same topic.
 

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Thank you again for your reply!
I appreciate it.
Now I would like to ask for your opinion on the following: you are saying that the oracle doesn't have a time line. So this cast will be true forever so to speak? Could that be possible that in a month or even a week something happens (they will have a lovely get away together, he will introduce her to his family, or something else) should that be proper to ask the same question again? Or a different question will be in order?
Thank you again!
 

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Well what I was trying to say is that the resulting hexagram doesn't always represent the future... it can represent the past, or the present situation, it can mean the theme of the question, the emotion, an advice, well, it just depends what you get, but there's always a connection to your question, but you're the one that has to find that connection. I wouldn't say that that will always be their situation, because everything changes, but of course if their situation changes and they do manage to fix things and like you said have a lovely time together in the long run, then for sure she can ask the same question. You're welcome :)
 

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Also wanted to tell you about a question that I sometimes ask... but once you ask it, well not much to do because either it's good or bad, hehe... joking, can also be in the middle, but I usually ask:

How compatible am I with X?

Well, for me being compatible with someone is something that really matters, I've gotten answers like 38 opposition, 49 total revolution... or something like 31, being attracted to that person. The only thing is also how compatible are they with you, hehe. Anyhow, just another question you can ask that I have found to be pretty accurate, but not a total way to decide if you should not meet someone, sometimes it's good to mix with someone totally opposite to you, why not, opposites attract :D
 

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Cool!!
Thank you!! That's good question to ask. Ill maybe advise her on that!!
I am exited! Thank you again! I can help her as much as she was helping me now!!
Thank you thank you!
 

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