Helping out a friend...?13.3.4.5 - 27

[Lola1986]

Hi all,

A friend has asked for quite an inconvinient favour, me to drive her to another city (have just bought my first car) an hour away and then wait / spend time in the city alone, while she does a work thing for 5 hours and then drive back again. Right now the only advantages to me are driving practice and being a good friend. But I am super busy. I'm also bad at saying no, she is quite pushy/persuasive.

Anyway, I asked:

Is it any advantage to me to give X a lift on Sunday?​

And got
13.3.4.5 > 27

Sounds like it is...maybe just in the sense of being in harmony with her? Slightly confused by the lines though.

Last night I asked
Should I take X to the place this Sunday?
17.1 > 45
??

I'm confused by both...they seem to be quite positive - but I am wary of using up my only full day off and being annoyed with her and myself at the end of it. Please if anyone can explain using the readings that'd be helpful.

Thanks

 

[RemRem]

Hi Lola!

Rem here.

my take on your reading:

13 is people in harmony.
It suggest a chance for you and your friend to bond.

Yes, it is an advantage if:

Line 3 (if you consider)
Hiding away arms in the thickets,
Climbing your high mound.
For three years, not starting anything.'

hiding away = setting aside
arms in the thicket = your being busy
climbing = taking the request
high mound = as a priority
3 years not starting = since you haven't done this in long time

It can nourish (H27) your friendship.

---
2nd reading:
Yes take her if:

17.1 to 45

A noble one at nightfall
Goes inside for renewal and rest.'

renewal and rest = it's your chance for taking a break

An official has a change of heart.
Constancy, good fortune.
Going out of the gates, joining with others, there is achievement.

change of heart = take if you feel free doing it
going out of the gates = getting out of your work
joining with others = helping your friend
there is achievement = is time well-spent.

and it allows you both to gather in one place (As well as others)

I hope that helps.

Rem

 

[rosada]

Should I take X to the place this Sunday?

17. is about going with the flow from dawn until dusk and on into sleep at night.

17. 1
The standard is changing.

Consider if the chores you feel you need to do really are all that important. You may come to feel this opportunity to get out past the gates on a road trip with your friend is an opportunity not to be missed!!!!

Furthermore...
45. Gathering.
Who knows what sights and sounds you'll see in the city! You may have been there many times before but this time you are entering it as The Driver of Their Very Own First Car. This is an energy shift of HUGE proportions. You will be on a brand new wavelength!
I'm pickin' up good vibrations...

 

[diamanda]

Is it any advantage to me to give X a lift on Sunday?
13.3.4.5 > 27
Not really. Someone who secretly hates you (13.3), someone who always observes your every move, and then pretends you're good old friends who meet again. The whole situation will leave you feeling empty.

Should I take X to the place this Sunday?
17.1 > 45
Change your mind and go out with a social group of friends instead.

 

[rosada]

Let us know if these readings helped clarify your decision..

 

[Lola1986]

Well, interesting because the friend did indeed present it (and I think actually there is some truth to it) as a fun thing for the two of us (she is very fun to road trip with) and a good opportunity to hang in the city. So yes, that potential was there (as noted by rosada and rem) - but I was hesitating because I thought I wanted to be doing it because I would enjoy it, not just as a favour to her (which I might resent). So I tried to organise to meet an old pal who lives there as well for when my original friend would be working, but the old pal was busy. So in the end someone else has offered a lift, someone who has more friends to hang out with in the day than I did, so I said it's better if this other person takes you because she will enjoy herself more, whereas I might be sort of wondering about alone all day. And instead I will go on a different fun trip with another friend (like Diamanda says) who will also give me a driving lesson. So I will have fun and gather, but with different people! And she was happy and fine with this decision (I think!) and hopefully I will also have a good time! Thanks for all the input and if there's anything else I'll let you know.

 

[Lola1986]

More interesting developments...in the end the person who offered the lift pulled out so I was asked again but with modifications that suit me very well. Three of us will go up, we will bring a third friend who is a better driver and the trip will double as a driving lesson, but we just drop her off, so I don't have to spend the whole day in Glasgow, she gets a lift, and we have a three person fun little road trip! Haha, so basically we'll see how it goes but indeed going with the flow and a gathering of people have both happened so far.

 

[rosada]

Thanks for this update!
It makes me see that 17. Following can be about making adjustments. Time wise the first line represents before dawn or before getting into something so perhaps 17.1 meant, "Make adjustments before you get into this."

Thoughts on 13.3 which you got when you were first considering the trip:

I see 13. as a discussion on the steps we go through to consciously build friendships.
13.1 Fellowship before the gate.
Like immigrants on a ship coming to dock in a whole new country, we don't know each other but there's a recognition that we're all in the same boat.
13.2 Fellowship limited to those we know brings out the fear of Others.
13.3 Uncertainty of others leads to being defensive:
Hiding away arms in the thickets. (Concealing you annoyance about this friend and her request.)
Climbing the high mound. (Maybe "taking the high road", trying to be diplomatic.)
Three years not starting. (Delay going forward.)

 

[Lola1986]

Yes...that would make sense in a way. And its funny because actually what she has ended up proposing is what I wanted to propose initially but didn't because I thought she'd be pushy and try to persuade me to stay the whole day etc. Also I was nervous of driving on the motorway without the other friend there to guide me, so now she's actually come to what I would have suggested but come to it on her own so it feels fine rather than sort of tricky in some way!

 

[Lola1986]

Also, on 17.1 just read this which would fit quite well so far:
17 Line 1 The situation has changed and minds have changed = impulse rising, going out of the gate. Changes to (45) Gathering Together. Adapting to a change requires new approaches that can only be explored by leaving the familiar. Allow the time to reveal itself in the changed minds of others. Be open to input. There are consequences that affect all involved. A discussion or meeting brings people together to make amends. Influence is an outer prompting while impulse is an inner sense. Allow someone the space to discover the impulse rather than attempting to influence or push.

 

[Lola1986]

Also on line 13:

Line 3 Weapons hidden in thicket = mistrusting others is not good. Changes to (25) Innocence. This can show the influence of defensiveness or fear in interacting with others. A change in attitude is called for that releases judgment and preconceptions. While this barrier exists, Fellowship is blocked. An innocent outlook is the only way to Fellowship.

Line 4 Climbing a wall but not attacking = reconciliation emerging. Changes to (37) Family. Erecting walls creates a barrier for protection, but one does not retaliate and reconciliation is considered. The wall can symbolize the need for healthy boundaries which needs to be respected. Family suggests that discussion and clarifying expectations and roles may help bring about union.

Line 5 People cry, then laugh = after a struggle a meeting occurs. Changes to (30) Clarity. While you may feel outwardly separated from someone, in your hearts you remain connected. Regardless of the obstacles keeping you apart, Fellowship emerges again. Clarity shows the synergistic connection among people connected in Spirit. Because of the vicissitudes of emotional interaction, the connection grows deeper.

 

[rosada]

Cool interpretations. Can you tell us the author and book? I would be interested in their take on 13.6 too, if you have time to post it.
To me 14 seems to be describing Heaven and 13 is the importance of recognizing we each have a contribution - that heaven is a world created by everyone sharing. "Individually we have nothing but together we have it all."

 

[Lola1986]

sure, its the website cafe au soul - not sure who the author is

 

[Lola1986]

Its good but sometimes too abstract for me, so I understand it better after conversation with others - when its stand alone its hard to sort of grasp 'the instruction' so to speak

 

[rosada]

Thanks. Cool site and yes it's good to meet with others for "discussion and practice"!

 

[Lola1986]

Final reply. I drove to Glasgow, we had a nice time and I was given a proejctor and a polaroid as well! And felt nice to drive out the city for the first time in a long time even though we drive straigh back. So that was great! Thanks for the time.