hex 1.3,5..not likely

[dragona]

Hello :bows:
I have a problem understanding this reading as I cannot really see this situation turning out into an optimistic one. It is regarding a man who is very hard to read, willful, different temperament but we share this unusual attraction for few years now. We live far from each other (tho direct airline line opened last summer from my city to his ), we chat periodically, he is always asking if we could meet, but I am worried I will get drawn back into something that will only make me feel used if I don`t cut this once and for all.

What should I do about/regarding a certain person? Hex 1.3,5 > 38
I view hex 1 as a generally good hex, strong creative forces in work but I don`t get it very often, so not sure how it can be understood regarding my question.

What do I need to know in relating to/with him? 47.6 > 6
Line 6 may be talking about how I am lately....

This has an strangely optimistic air about it (at least to me), so there must be someone who knows to read between the lines better.
Ty :bows:

 

[yxeli]

Hi Dragona,

I get hex 1 alot, but only recently through the wikiwing here did I start looking at it differently as a primary hex.

As primary hexagram, its strength flows into the second: ‘powerful (relating hexagram)’, ‘power expressed through (relating hexagram)’… Think of the dragon entering into the relating hexagram as its field of activity. Its strength may come as a surprise.

If we look at it this way, It seems to me that your own doubts about this guy are probably correct for you. I read this as 'very active (1) opposition or differences (38). The Yi might just be highlighting your own innate awareness about this guy. Fire and water dont mix.

47.6>6 From wikiwing

47 zhi Hexagram 6, Confining Arguing. Can mean being entrapped by 6’s sense of injustice - maybe feeling wrongly judged and unfairly isolated from support, all the worst emotions of both 47 and 6. Not a reliable perception, and not a good place to stay.

seems like these differences in 38 aren't going away.Its funny how we can be so attracted to people who think so differently then us. Sometimes the differences work to augment the relationship for the better, sometimes it works the opposite way. Seems to me the Yi is saying dont bother with this one.

Hope my negativity doesn't get you down too much Dragona :hugs:

Yxx

 

[dragona]

Thanx..I have casted that second one after had been disappointed with something...and today came to mind that 47.6 He is oppressed by creeping vines.
He moves uncertainly and says, "Movement brings remorse."
If one feels remorse over this and makes a start,
Good fortune comes.
A man is oppressed by bonds that can easily be broken. The distress is drawing to an end. But he is still irresolute; he is still influenced by the previous condition and fears that he may have cause for regret if he makes a move. But as soon as he grasps the situation, changes this mental attitude, and makes a firm decision, he masters the oppression.
denotes an entanglement that we can get easily out of and even more so because it can/will lead into an conflict (probably for me). It certainly suggest that one should correct previous conduct and not repeat it if wants to move forward.
Did not know that Wikiwing information, thank you.. shame that Creative Force is not with me there, but what else is new...here 38 Oposition may be talking about not expecting the same out of the situation, two independent personalities or perhaps male/female attraction? hm...

 

[yxeli]

denotes an entanglement that we can get easily out of and even more so because it can/will lead into an conflict (probably for me). It certainly suggest that one should correct previous conduct and not repeat it if wants to move forward.
Did not know that Wikiwing information, thank you.. shame that Creative Force is not with me there, but what else is new...here 38 Oposition may be talking about not expecting the same out of the situation, two independent personalities or perhaps male/female attraction? hm...
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I think that yes, taking 47.6 as a line in itself does suggest that there can be hope, but with 6 as the relating, I just see this as an exhaustive confined place and the arguing wont rectify anything. Look at Fan Yao 6.6 from wikiwing, the line also leading into 47;

‘Maybe someone is granted a money belt.
By the end of the day, stripped of it three times.’

No settlement is permanent. When you win stuff (material success, recognition), you lose it again.

Wallace Wattles, The Science of Getting Rich:
"Riches secured on the competitive plane are never satisfactory and permanent; they are yours today, and another's tomorrow. Remember, if you are to become rich in a scientific and certain way, you must rise entirely out of the competitive thought. You must never think for a moment that the supply is limited."

I've found this to mean that if I'm in this to get something out of it - be careful. I won't...and then some!

(‘Not thinking for a moment that the supply is limited’ sounds more like Hexagram 5 with its drinking and feasting.)

6 zhi Hexagram 47, Arguing’s Oppression. The prison of arguing – this cycle of grabbing and losing and grabbing and losing. Any rewards gained from contention will always be objects of contention.

Personally in romantic relationships, i love abit of to and fro, a bit of arguing and passion. Theres a fine line though between arguing to enliven and confront and to rectify a situation, and arguing to win the argument. seems to me 47.6>6 is the latter.

Do you feel like you think he doesn't understand you? that you've been misjudged?? Thats a horrible place (i've been there with men). It almost becomes the reason to keep engaging with a person, to clear your name. I understand the need to do it, and I did recently, I had it out with a past lover and I do feel much better for it. But in the long run, this situation seems really bad. You will state your case honestly, and he will just interpret you wrong (38) over and over and over again, like 6.6>47.

Bests,

Yx

 

[dragona]

This is interesting, because what you came out with relates to the situation I am going through now with your countryman

you feel like you think he doesn't understand you? that you've been misjudged?? [/U]Thats a horrible place (i've been there with men). It almost becomes the reason to keep engaging with a person, to clear your name. I understand the need to do it, and I did recently, I had it out with a past lover and I do feel much better for it. But in the long run, this situation seems really bad. You will state your case honestly, and he will just interpret you wrong (38) over and over and over again, like 6.6>47.

With this guy here, since the attraction is long and perhaps we enjoy it, I wanted to check with YI...

Relating hexagram tho, I often see as the current situation as a whole and 1st hex as relating to me, but it varies, of course.

 

[yxeli]

Yeah, I sometimes think the relating hex is the overall situation now and sometimes the outcome of the first hex. I read it the way I did because both readings seemed quite negative, but 1>38 read the other way looks promising.

He's Irish this guy?!? haha! We like a good fight over here!


Good Luck!

Yx

 

[dragona]

This is how I mostly go about reading...
For the sake of an argument, I could not rest but ask about him again...the relating hex was 12-the current situation, hex 45 the "theme", line 6 makes sense and it is just what you wrote about before:
Do you feel like you think he doesn't understand you? that you've been misjudged?? Thats a horrible place (i've been there with men). It almost becomes the reason to keep engaging with a person, to clear your name. I understand the need to do it, and I did recently, I had it out with a past lover and I do feel much better for it.
That has been denied and I felt it was a misunderstanding, but the shoulder I got was so cold that it makes me feel redundant and too bitter now.

 

[yxeli]

ah.

See thats the *******.

If you haven't been able to verbalise in person your own mind to this guy, that's whats confining you. Your ego for want of a better word feels abused and wrongly accused, like his definitions are defining who you are.

Girl, I know exactly the feeling. Every post here apart from very recently has been about this particular guy who had me in a prison of his definitions, for 3 years.

When I asked Yi about this, of course the wise master said 'rise above it' just 'walk away'. But in reality, for my own letting go, I needed to stand my ground for the first time in front of him. I now feel so so much more free and 24ish.

But, there's a set of words in the above paragraph that forced me to confront him physically and verbalise. Those words are 'for the first time'. and the last.

If youv'e tried again and again Dragona to try and make him understand you, theres a point when no amount of future arguing is going to resolve misunderstandings. Only you can draw that line.

He doesnt live near you.for some reason i'm getting the impression that you dont talk often, Does he live in Ireland? If so, then your in an even a worse situation then I was, because at least I could meet with this guy and really have it out.

When you do this arguing which is turning you on is it leaving the impression that

a) this is really passionate and enlivening.

b) sparring in a sign of attraction.

c) each argument is clearing things up, or ****ing things up even more?

It can be in the worst way a sign of attraction. I kept engaging with my shithead guy for 3 years thinking that his definitions of who i was needed to be cleared up. At the end of the day, the biggest waste of my time, waste of my energy, waste of my self esteem.

45.6 to me is mirroring your own need to show him exactly what you mean. Or, more likely, a snapshot of your own emotions around this. your sadness of not being able to show him how you feel.

If youve tried, again and again, to show him, to the best of your ability, completely vulnerable and open. If youve already done that, then you need to save your ass, and find someone new. as soon as possible. I do believe that as soon as your attention is removed from one man and placed on another, the power he has over you will recede.




Yx

 

[Trojina]

I think that yes, taking 47.6 as a line in itself does suggest that there can be hope, but with 6 as the relating, I just see this as an exhaustive confined place and the arguing wont rectify anything. Look at Fan Yao 6.6 from wikiwing, the line also leading into 47;


Personally in romantic relationships, i love abit of to and fro, a bit of arguing and passion. Theres a fine line though between arguing to enliven and confront and to rectify a situation, and arguing to win the argument. seems to me 47.6>6 is the latter.

Do you feel like you think he doesn't understand you? that you've been misjudged?? Thats a horrible place (i've been there with men). It almost becomes the reason to keep engaging with a person, to clear your name. I understand the need to do it, and I did recently, I had it out with a past lover and I do feel much better for it. But in the long run, this situation seems really bad. You will state your case honestly, and he will just interpret you wrong (38) over and over and over again, like 6.6>47.

Bests,

Yx

But 47.6 doesn't mean the same thing as 6.6 at all. If 6.6 was the answer she would have cast 6.6. Why do people read the fan yao as the answer...you have read it instead of the answer

47.6 means stop fussing becasue your fears are greater than they need be...so to me this is a clear indication that Dragona would be well advised to stop fretting and just go and meet him. I mean look at the words for 47.6 . One feels confined with lots of 'what ifs' but the trailing vines that seems to entangle one are easily broken free of.

So how does 47.6 mean 6.6 arguing and having to argue over and over again. Its the opposite of that. If the fan yao means anything its like a kind of opposite mirror image of the actual answer so IMO 6.6 is what the answer is not


I'm really not sure why you interpreted the answer as 6.6 not 47.6 ?


I think 1.3.5>38 also indicate moving...getting on with it.


Its important always to take the advice with 47.6 becasue it is a wake up call. You are placing limitations where this is no need to . Being too cautious

 

[Trojina]

Of course if this is the 999th question on this man then Yis answers can't be really relied on anymore...since there comes a point when if you received every single answer answers get meaningless.....but takingit that this is a fresh question then it seems a very clear indication to put doubts aside...they are little and they hold too much power

 

[dragona]

Ok ladies...things got mixed up a bit here, perhaps by my own fault, maybe not exactly clear...
I was asking about somebody else at first, 1.3,5 and 47.6 and it is suspiciously optimistic at the first glance, so I wanted the second opinion..but that man does not care for me, I am pretty sure, just wanted to see if I am missing something.

Interesting enough, this bit reminded me of my current situation:
Do you feel like you think he doesn't understand you? that you've been misjudged?? Thats a horrible place (i've been there with men). It almost becomes the reason to keep engaging with a person, to clear your name. I understand the need to do it, and I did recently, I had it out with a past lover and I do feel much better for it. But in the long run, this situation seems really bad. You will state your case honestly, and he will just interpret you wrong (38) over and over and over again, like 6.6>47.
Interesting how yxeli came to this realisation because that relates to another, this one is not about deep feelings etc...if it IS I would be very very surprised..

Then I wanted to compare that theory with the relating hex, so I casted about that another you reminded me of, and gotten 45.6>12 and it is right on the button of that quote above and how it is/feels.
We are different personalities, so one could not really expect things to go smoothly, knowing problems we are facing and differences and the thought that I helped to mess things up without given a chance to speak my side and to clear the air has built up in me like the 45.6 line says....just too much procrastinating and so unhealthy. We were not listening well enough, wanted to much at different times... I pride myself to be able to get along with people of all kinds, so this I find very absurd also.

I like to hear different theories, one always can learn something, tho I have asked about Fan Yao and gotten answers just as trojan stated above, it is in this thread: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=14465 and the inventor of Fan Yao I have no reason to doubt. :bows:

Thank you both for putting your energy into this and sorry for confusing you :bag: :bows: :hugs:
p.s. but it is interesting..how one can be speaking about another and through the eyes of a different person...maybe I was projecting..

 

[dragona]

Well I could not rest, but gotten more contradictory answers...used to get a lot of 29 hex before, when I was much more interested.
But now,
What is the ultimate potential of this acquaintance? 15
What could we come to be to one another? 1.5 > 14 !
Followed by Is there something I don`t understand in relating to this? 61.6 > 60
Don`t think anyone can tell me that this last one is good...just that lately been wondering if I was judging too harsh a person I don`t really know well, but I guess not.