Hex 11 for a question on relationship

[feynmann]

Some time ago, I started a rel'ship with this girl. We are having a long distance rel'ship, that allows us to see each other twice a month or so...

At the beginning I consulted the oracle, and asked a question "is she the right one for me". I got hex 15.3 changing to hex 2. I read this as a good sign.

After a while, she's having doubt if we can make it, despite of my assurance of my commitment. So, in doubt, I consulted the oracle again, with the question "are we going to make it".
I got hex 11.4 changing to 34.

Can anybody share their opinion on the interpretation? Many thanks in advance.

 

[my_key]

hi feynmann
I think this is a call for you to show you commitmentin a way that she will see and recognise as being important to her. Here's a spin that you may want to consider..... Maybe "fluttering like a bird leaving the nest" and moving closer to her. However, whatever you do you have to be careful that your enthusiasm to show how committed you are doesn't hurt someone in some way.

Mike

 

[feynmann]

Thanks Mike. However, moving closer is not possible. I would have done it otherwise, and we both know it.

I am concerned about 'modesty' in my initial query. It sort of suggests that I should do things in moderation, and not rush to anything. Any insight, perhaps?

 

[peace]

Sounds like something has to give.
Do you want the relationship or not?
If so - step up to the plate!
Otherwise, how will you know?

Rosalie

 

[rosada]

I agree with Rosalie,

If you're all that committed step up to the plate and say it out loud!

15.3 is about walking your walk regardless of what others might think, say or do.

2 says you can't manipulate her responce.

So, pop the question and see what she says!

(11.4 says you are sincere but maybe you need a few helpful friends giving you a teeny nudge

 

[feynmann]

I did...to the point that I (sort of) scared her. The matter is, she's the one who's not sure if we can make it.

 

[rosada]

Aw shucks...
Well, 11.4 seems to be hopeful and 34 suggests endurance: "Hang in there..."
Best wishes!

 

[feynmann]

I surely hope so. Things are really shaky these days. To be honest, these days, the good signs from the oracle seem to be 'against all odds'. If it wasn't for the oracle, I would have thrown in the white towel.

Anyway, in my experience, it has always been right. It said something like "the woman is too strong to marry" for my previous two rel'ships, even when things are going very well. I disregarded the prediction, only to find out that they were true in both cases.

Thanks, Rosada.

 

[jesed]

Hi Feynmann

Just in case the comment could be useful

Before asking for the future, is wise to ask about the present.

I suggestt you to ask: General Diagnosis of the Time of the relationship netween X and I.
This answer will describe how the relationship is now, and the principal tendencies... including calendaric indications.

In any case:
The answer you got is a image of the future TENDENCY of the relationship (only that you cann't get calendaric indications of when it could be achieve).
11 is a very good sign to relationships.

The line is an advice FOR YOU to achieve the result: join her with naturallity (11.4), and the effect of doing that is that the actual obstacles would vanish like an open fence (34.4)

Now, here is a disturbing issue. The cause of line 11.4 is 20.4: you (or her) deserve to be honor within the relationship and not be "used".

Does this ring a bell? Could it be behind the doubts?

Best wishes

 

[tanjhj]

living together and sex w/o marriage is no no for iching. i think maybe iching is telling you to control another head and not let it rule you. endure the tough perod, if shecan endure it too, means she isthe one for u,marry her b4 moving in.

 

[bradford_h]

T
Where in the hell did you get that?
Keep those Christian cooties outta here.

 

[void]

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Ain't it enough trouble controlling your own.

 

[tanjhj]

well, i had three head to control in this case...

 

[void]

like this ?

 

[feynmann]

Jesed, thanks for the comments. I will ask about the present. How should it be like, "what should I do now?" or "how are things now?" ?

 

[feynmann]

i just remembered. A few days ago, I did ask "what should I do now?" and got 34 without changing lines.
Any insight on the interpretation?
Thanks.

 

[jesed]

Hi Feynmann

Both questions are useful. Is just a matter of order.

Think in any militar chief... he first know the battle field and the armies; and then he figure it out how to proceed... right?

In the same way, knowing first how is the situation, you can figure it ou then how to act.

So, what I had learn is that is useful when the first question is "give a general diagnosis of X situation" (relationship, job, health...any issue).. then one can do another questions..

Any way, about 34.0 don't force the situation; use wisely your power and influence... don't be stubborn like a goat... get a more fine insight of the situation.

Best wishes

 

[feynmann]

Hello,
We had another talk where she again expressed her being unsure. Reflecting on the previous readings, I decided to go with the flow, and told her politely and nicely, that I have told her my position on the matter, and that if she insists, I'll accept and respect whatever decision she makes.

After that, I consulted the oracle, following Jesed's advice. I asked for a general diagnostic of the current situation in our rel'ship.

I got hex 7.6 changing to 4.
The changing line itself says the battle has been won. Any advice on the interpretation?

 

[jesed]

Hi Feynmann

The Calendaric Time of 7 is in the past (is a time that started around June 16, 2005 and consolidated around march 16, 2006); and the related hexagram 4 is also in the past (from June 16, 2005 to September 16, 2005).

Both hexagrams in the past, that's not good. The relationship is being ruled by the past (something happened between January 1 and march 16, 2006); you need to solve it before the relationship can move forward.

Seems (at the light of all the questions) there are "control issues" in the relationship (who is the commander, and who is the follower in 7; advice against bad use of power in 34; honor each other in 20.4)

The relationship can be ok in the future, but you need to examinate the past issues (speccially control issues) and leave it behind.

Don't remain attached to what happened the last 6 months.

Best wishes

 

[feynmann]

Hi Jesed,
Seeing the question (current situation), isn't it supposed to be related to the past?
Thanks for the comments.

 

[feynmann]

and I also asked "given the situation, what should I do now?" and got hex 8.1 changing to 3. That says union. Does it have any calendaric information as well? Thanks.

 

[jesed]

Hi Feynmann

Some times, the effects of past issues rule the actual situation. Like when you remain attached to past situations; or when you hadn't learn from past lessons.

About 8: examine yourself.. do you have the qualities to be the center of the union? (judgement), keep together (image) sincerity should be the basis of the union (8.1)

Best wishes

 

[feynmann]

Thanks a lot, Jesed. I will ponder on that.