Hex 22 regarding a relationship issue

[molaurie]

I am interested in a man named Ken. We have been friends for almost two years now. We used to work together, and have different offices now, but have stayed in touch on a weekly basis through phone calls, talking about work-related stuff. I am getting ready to leave this job. I asked the I Ching, "What about Ken now?" I received 22, Grace(Beauty). I am wondering, is this how he feels about me? I had received this one, along with 37(The Family) when I asked about his feeling for me about a year ago. Or maybe this is how I feel about him? For instance, grace and beauty relating to my physical attraction to him.

Then I asked, "Should I try and stay in touch with him?" and received 52(Keeping Still), lines 1 and 5, and 37(The Family). Any thoughts? Thanks, the help is much appreciated!

 

[unsubscribed_cm]

Adorning usually means things moving with grace and continuity. Then there are nuances in that hexagram with the changing lines to specify that idea further.

37... usually means to me somthing to do family and family structure. For you It means hold to the role of the female, who is receptive and supportive of the man.

Hexagram 52 means keep still - basicly take no action. Keep still, non action.

The Yijing I think here is telling you to wait for him to woo you. You should not take any action and instead should act in the proper role role of courtship, or the role of a wife in a marriage.

 

[molaurie]

Adorning usually means things moving with grace and continuity. Then there are nuances in that hexagram with the changing lines to specify that idea further.

37... usually means to me somthing to do family and family structure. For you It means hold to the role of the female, who is receptive and supportive of the man.

Hexagram 52 means keep still - basicly take no action. Keep still, non action.

The Yijing I think here is telling you to wait for him to woo you. You should not take any action and instead should act in the proper role role of courtship, or the role of a wife in a marriage.

Thanks for the insight, CyclotronMajesty. As much as I am a feminist, you are probably right about this one. In fact, the first reading I ever asked about him, way back when, was The Receptive. This is so against my nature, because I have always tended to aggressively pursue the object of my affection! So we'll see what happens as I take the non-action, receptive approach for a change!

 

[lightofreason]

Considering the nature of the hexagrams as hexagrams:

22 is about facading, drawing attention away from the inside by jazxing up the outside - beautify, gloss-over etc.
22 shares space with 36 where it too is about covering up but is more unconditional about it - it covers being uncompromising in ones devotion to someone/something and so if there is no likemindedness around we cover up the 'light'.
22 on the other hand can hide the true light by creating a 'false' one.
The trigrams of 22 make it read "with/from guidance comes quality control" - its like putting on a face of one's favorite star etc or a badge associating you with someone/thing - in this facade we take focus away from your inner light - just as we do in 36 by totally covering up.

Hex 37 is about tension release through imposing of rigid structure - as in a family/clan/culture etc where being in the clan etc reduces tension in that all is the the 'right' place - father as father, third son as third son, and so on.

IF we join 22 with 37 we have "with/from facading comes rigid structuring (tension release)"

52 covers self-restraint that leads into discernment. Mountain is a about a LOSS of love, about suffering that can lead to learning from that suffering to develop quality control (discernment). It also covers one side of the passion coin.

52 into 37 can be read as "with/from discerning comes rigid structuring (tension release)"

FOr more consistant answers for emotional questions also try the Emotional I Ching:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/icplusEProact.html

Chris.

 

[andrea]

Oho, so that's where the "loss of love" that molaurie mentions comes from.

I see Chris's point here, though I'd express it a little differently: that love -- especially romantic love -- is entirely irrelevant to 52, which is about meditative, self-contained stillness.

 

[lightofreason]

Oho, so that's where the "loss of love" that molaurie mentions comes from.

I see Chris's point here, though I'd express it a little differently: that love -- especially romantic love -- is entirely irrelevant to 52, which is about meditative, self-contained stillness.

It includes coverage od passion and so the suffering side of a loss of love where we keep the good bits in our minds, our thoughts. The meditative aspect covers being seen as 'at peace' or 'still' on the outside whilst working hard on the inside.
Thus the mediative element reflec Buddha's way of transforming suffering into discernment (quality control).

From another thread I posted:

The TRIGRAM of MOUNTAIN and the TRIGRAM of LAKE make up the two sides of the coin we can call "PASSION".

The mountain side deals with (a) a loss of love, be it by death or relationship failure/moving-on or (b) unfullfiled love, an imagined love, and so 'blocked or stopped' - never to be actualised romantically. (generically it covers self-restraint that when doubled gives us discernment where we are proactively restraining our selves)

At the *really* GENERIC quality of mountain is that of BONDING (contractive) and so it covers issues that include sharing of space with another/others BUT it is an internal space where we benefit from the suffering manifest in passion. AS such mountain covers spiritual aspects (e.g. the suffering of Christ or of Buddha where that led to enlightenment or more so quality control, we learn discernment from the loss of love, from suffering)

LAKE on the other hand is also about passion and BONDING (expansive) but the romantic/sexual love that is in having a love now (and it includes self-love, narcissism etc in that there is the generic focus on replication as in the reference to a mirror etc)

Mountain this covers psychic gateways etc in that we may seem all at peace on the outside (Still) but inside there is a lot of work going on to translate sufferring into discernment.

All of the hexagrams of mountain bring out the self-restraint/discernment qualities:

mountaIn in bottom (self-restraint biases)

15,52,39,53,62,56,31,33

mountain in top: (discernment biases)

23,52,04,18,27,22,41,26

52 maps to both lists and we can read it as "With/from self-restraint comes discernment"

If our concern is emotional (and so you use the IC as aid in dealing with such situations) I suggest you try out the Emotional IC material:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/EmotionalIC.html

Chris.

 

[willowfox]

"Should I try and stay in touch with him?" and received 52(Keeping Still), lines 1 and 5, and 37(The Family)'

I would say yes but be discreet in all your communications with him then it will be okay.

 

[asci_blue]

I dare to argue that keeping still doesn't mean literally keep still but more of a don't change the situation. If you're already in contact don't try to escalate to something more but keep doing what you're doing.

also in the words of Yoda, there is do or do not, there is no try.

 

[lightofreason]

I dare to argue that keeping still doesn't mean literally keep still but more of a don't change the situation. If you're already in contact don't try to escalate to something more but keep doing what you're doing.

also in the words of Yoda, there is do or do not, there is no try.

To focus on the look of a hexagram's meaning, use the 22/47 XOR process where 22 give us an image of the outside, 47 of the inside.

001001 - 52
101001 - 22 outside
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100000 - 24 (with/from enlightenment comes devotion (to a path etc)) where the enlightement reflects a new beginning or a re-beginning (we repeat a path having been enlightened)) the look interpretable as if a 'blank' face, wall etc without dynamics of features that draw attention. The mountains can work as a barrier and also as a source of awe and to questions about what is byond them or a path through them come up at the beginning and so impression from the outside.

001001 - 52
010110 - 47 inside
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011111 - 44 (focus on persuading, seducing, with/from cultivation comes singlemindedness. This covers for mountain what is contained. Note how the act of 22 as 22 will put on a facade that acts like 44 (its opposite) where the facade draws attention away from looking on the inside and is persuasive, seductive, gloss etc etc

as you can see there is a LOT of activity on the inside (44) of 52.

Chris.

 

[midaughter]

The Mountain, doubled means an insurmountable obstacle exists. It is that simple. The ideas regarding stillness and meditation are Buddhist commentaries dating probably from the Han Dynasty. Nice words and image but the mountain doubled means you will not be able to get there.

 

[lightofreason]

The Mountain, doubled means an insurmountable obstacle exists. It is that simple. The ideas regarding stillness and meditation are Buddhist commentaries dating probably from the Han Dynasty. Nice words and image but the mountain doubled means you will not be able to get there.

Simplistic rubbish. Limited perspective showing a literal minded, single context, LOCAL interpretation of a GENERAL archetype that INCLUDES a mountain as analogy/metaphor.

Your 10th century thinking is WAY off base in understanding the universals of the I Ching and the refinement process of trigrams or hexagrams for that matter when placed in upper/lower positions.

The category that comes out of the neurology and seeds this position in the natural binary ordering is of contractive bonding - that quality is pre ANYTHING human in that it is a category stemming from millions of years of neural development from a sponge to us.

The focus overall is on issues covering the sharing of space with another/others and includes such bonding through psychic gateways etc (and so the mountain represents guardian of a gateway - it blocks but one can bypass or find a path through - this blocking is reactive and we turn it to be proactive by learning from the suffering to become discerning. There is nothing 'buddhist' or 'christian' about this - the feeling existed before those concepts.)

Chris.