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Hex 3: Which translation is correct? Blofield or Wilhelm

modesty

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Hi all,

I know that I have to wait for the right moment to take action to get my boy back.
(Thread Hex 26+1+3)
One week has elapsed since my last reading and I asked the Yi for further advice. I received Hex 3 + line 4 => Hex 17.
According to Wilhelm, line 4 suggests that it is now time to act but I need some help
However, Blofield translation says that I will have to wait for a considerable length of time to acchieve my aim ( having my family back).ie, it's not the time to act
Wilhelm's translation is always my preferred translation but John Blofield's life experience and more pragmatic approach to divination can not be discarded. In this case they are very conflicting. Which one should I take?

Would appreciate any advice

Modesty
 

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Hi Modesty,
I'm not aware of what Blofield's translation is for this line, however both texts probably have something about "Going brings good fortune." That to me means that it is a good idea to take action.
 

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Hi Ewald

Blofield's translation of line 4:
"Hesitating like a man trotting to and fro, he waits for marriage. Thenceforth, good fortune will prevail and every action prosper".
Blofield's foot note:" This passage indicates that sucess can certainly be obtained, but only after a considerable period of waiting patiently".
What do you think?

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modesty
 

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Both of them badly mistranslate the phrase "Cheng ma ban ru",
Both do it in a way that implies things are coming apart.
In fact it's a time for things to come together.
Paraphrased it's "a four horse team decked out to the nines",
as for a ceremony.
The time is right to get the help you seek (You DO have to ask).
It may or may not be the right time to accomplish your ends or objectives.
 
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jesed

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Hi

Agree with Bradford... you could find useful to see the discussion about 3.4 in philippa's thread http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=3237

I wrote there:
18.4 Past: There is something you was/are trying to avoid
3.4 Present: That made you be isolated, but the advice is to find company
17.4 Following the advice, you can find that having company is not a fault when you walk with truth and clarity

Now, you could find interesting Whilelm's comment (his comment, not his translation):

We are in a situation in which it is our duty to act, but we lack sufficient
power. However, an opportunity to make connections offers itself. It must be seized. Neither false pride nor false reserve should deter us. Bringing oneself to take the first step, even when it involves a certain degree of self-
abnegation, is a sign of inner clarity. To accept help in a difficult situation is
not a disgrace. If the right helper is found, all goes well.

Now, since you asked for advice, you could find useful the Image: To bring order out of confusion, "...be able both to separate and to unite" (Wilhelm's comment)

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Timing, timing , timing

I think what Bradford and Jesed said made sense. It is up to me to make the first step to reconciliation even though this involve some degree of self abnegation. However, as Bradford pointed out: this may or may not be the time to take that step.

Timing seems to be one of the most tricky thing in using the Yi Ching?!!!
I thought of relying on my instinct but the Yi says " control your anger and instinct". I guess I will stay put for a little longer
 
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jesed

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Hi

If you ask: general diagnosis of my plan to travel... that answer would give you calendaric references.

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modesty said:
Timing seems to be one of the most tricky thing in using the Yi Ching?!!!
I thought of relying on my instinct but the Yi says " control your anger and instinct".
I guess I will stay put for a little longer

I don't know where it says that. Yes, it is about timing.
One is making one's best efforts here to put on a memorable show.
In two out of the three times that the suitor appears with his horses
like this, lines 2, 4 & 6, things don't work out in spite of his best efforts.
It really does require getting some help. It's doesn't call for "staying
put for a little longer". It calls for getting assistance now, perhaps
by opening a dialogue.
 

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Hi all

Bradford, I just took your advice and started a dialogue. In the mean time, I am getting all the legal help here to ensure my boy will not be taken outside the country again without both parents' consent
Jesed, it is my intention to travel but not until I get the court order. By then, I would ask the Yi as per your advice.

I am grateful for your generous advice and goodwill. It is amazing that some of the best support I got lately are from people I have never met.

Modesty
 

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Hi Modesty,
Here Wilhelm's version is closest to how I see 3.4. I don't understand why Blofield has "waiting" here.
 
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jesed

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Hi Modesty
I did today a dialogue about your situation. I won't publish it here, because it was a tough dialogue

When I asked: how is the best way for Modesty to solve this situation (disintegration of nuclear family), I got 21,1

So, legal advice seems wise decision. But it is not enough... you need to made a great inner change. Travel to convince her is a bad idea right now; is a desperate idea. This dialogue confirmed that there are some people interfering in the relationship with gosip.. but pointed that the deep cause is not that people.. if you concentrate in blame her (your mother in law), you won't accept your own mistakes; and the posibility to reintegrate your nuclear family could be lost for good.

The good new... your wife does love you, even if right now reject you. There is a posibility to arrive to a "happy end".. I mean, to achieve not only the reintegration of the family, but to fix the love and intimacy.

Full analisis in your mail account.

Best wishes
 

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Hi Modesty,

Hex 3.4, Karcher says this: You are riding a horse fully arrayed, Seek matrimonial alliances. In other words go now, you will be successful. I think Blofeld means waiting patiently up to the time of the question, 'you have waited'.

Hex 17, you are been drawn forward through a strong attraction, the call has come. Following, sublime success.

All this says no more waiting, go now because you will be successful.
 

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