Hex 3

[rodaki]

. . . being a crab myself, this vid was just too good for words!

:bag:

 

[charly]

. . . being a crab myself, this vid was just too good for words!

:bag:

Hi, Dora:

I love this BRAVE LITTLE CRAB !

Hex.3, eh?

屯 pronounced zhūn: difficult / stingy // pronounced tun2: to station (soldiers) / to store up /village /(1)

元 yuan2: primary / first / supreme /
亨 heng1: prosperous / feast / offering / success /
利 li4: benefit / profitable /
貞 zhen1: perseverance / chaste / divination / omen /

勿 wu4: do not /
用 yong4: to use / to apply /
有 you3: to have / there is / there are /
攸 you1: distant / far /
往 wang3: to go /

利 li4: advantage / benefit / profit / sharp /
建 jian4: to establish / to found / to set up / to build / to propose (2)
侯 hou2: marquis / noble vassal / a target in archery (3)
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(a)
Difficulty at the Beginning works supreme success,
Furthering through perseverance.
Nothing should be undertaken.
It furthers one to appoint helpers.

Wilhelm-Baynes

(b)
Chún ... there will be great progress and success,
and the advantage will come from being correct and firm.
(But) any movement in advance should not be (lightly) undertaken.
There will be advantage in appointing feudal princes.

Legge

I understand the image that Wilhelm describes, difficults along the way, but why at the bigining? Maybe once pierced the resistance difficults will disappear. Humm ... Legge avoids to risk a translation.

I found the message some contradictory:

• difficult but success,
• persevere but do nothing,
• but appoint helpers.

I don´t like too much that W-B use four words where the chinese text puts only one syllabe.
Why don´t translate CRAB?

CRAB:
_____
Little but brave, young but wise.


PRIMAL FEAST.
_____________
First offerings.
Will receive in the proportion you give.
Take the revenues of yor merit.


PROFITABLE OMEN
_________________
All be for good.


DO NOT USE TO HAVE FAR TO GO.
______________________________
Don´t cede to the habit of going too far.
No need to go far, even more, not recommended.


PROFITABLE TO PUT TARGETS.
___________________________
Profitable to put a goal for oneself,
exactly what the CRAB did.
Because if you´re not a KING how will you go to appoint noble vassals?
... although maybe the CRAB is a QUEEN !

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Best wishes. Great avatar.


Charly

______________________
(1) I believe that Wilhelm followed the Shuo Wen, I didn´t find 屯 in the Odes.
(2) Foot at the crossroads (way) + hand with brush. BUT we are said that´s a hand with a writing brush, the shape looks like a hand with a BROOM, maybe depicting a FEMALE HAND.
(3) In bronze characters the ARROW is quite visible.

 

[dobro p]

That last moonlit scene seemed a bit 24 to me.

 

[meng]

Love it. Also saw a lot of 4 with the 3.

 

[rodaki]

hi everyone

Charly . . yes, hex.3, I 've been thinking lot's about it (even maybe before realizing my concerns were all in that hex. . .) Especially lines 3 and 6 have figured big time but I get by with a little help from my friends
Thank you for bringing in al these great stuff . . hmm, I would be lying if I said I didn't feel proud upon seeing CRAB as a translation (where is my hiding bag again?? lol!)

hi Dobro, me shakes head in agreement here, there is a 24 . . ahem, poor little crab cannot get away from these things! probably because they grow on the same soil

i love this vid because I can really see my crab side in it and it makes me laugh (it's always great when I can laugh at myself, untangles everything inside) especially the moments when it gets really upset and stubborn, silly crab lol!! but, oh well, it's true, crabs are silly little things, they are easily scared but luckily for them they do come out of their caves and are resilient . .

so now I can't stop smiling . . is it because of youthful foolishness??? Love it!!


p.s.: oh and about the avatar . . well, I thought it was about time I showed myself a bit :bag:

 

[Trojina]

. . . being a crab myself, this vid was just too good for words!

:bag:

yes being a crab is hard work Maybe our motto should be 43.2

 

[fkegan]

Hi Dora and Charly,

A bit of structural analysis upon the two questions: hex 3 (Flux Tome Name: Strikes)

A situation where only the initial conditions or transition from prior conditions to this timing (line place 1) And the overall organization or plan (line place 5) are clear focus. This is the hexagram of the sculptor first putting chisel to the uncarved block to begin to execute his sculpture.

As hex three, it is all about the Water Cycle (first decad) and the third hexagram is the dynamic part of the Dyad. In terms of trigrams (which are totally explanatory in this decad) it is Water (rain) over Thunder or the clouds which are caused to precipitate rain by the action of the thunder to create the thunderstorm which begins the growing season in spring.

As to the Zodiac sign of the Crab, the fourth sign from the Spring Equinox its import and meaning shown in the 4-dot face of the dice cube. The corners are marked out, claiming and creating a territory, defining the IN-side and thus allowing a sensitive space for Poignant Feelings. Traditionally associated with the animal the crab which has a large shell which is mostly empty when cooked and opened with delicious meat in the legs.

The video is a sight gag based upon confusing the coconut fruit for an animal since it has a round shape with 3 spots that look to humans like a face. I doubt an actual crab would be fooled in that way. But within the human context...cute.

Frank

 

[rodaki]

yes being a crab is hard work Maybe our motto should be 43.2

lol Trojan
43.2 is an amazing line for me . . had mostly associated it with another animal side of me but hey, it does lead to transformation! who knows the strengths of a little crab

hi Frank!

A bit of structural analysis upon the two questions: hex 3 (Flux Tome Name: Strikes)

A situation where only the initial conditions or transition from prior conditions to this timing (line place 1) And the overall organization or plan (line place 5) are clear focus. This is the hexagram of the sculptor first putting chisel to the uncarved block to begin to execute his sculpture.

As hex three, it is all about the Water Cycle (first decad) and the third hexagram is the dynamic part of the Dyad. In terms of trigrams (which are totally explanatory in this decad) it is Water (rain) over Thunder or the clouds which are caused to precipitate rain by the action of the thunder to create the thunderstorm which begins the growing season in spring.

As to the Zodiac sign of the Crab, the fourth sign from the Spring Equinox its import and meaning shown in the 4-dot face of the dice cube. The corners are marked out, claiming and creating a territory, defining the IN-side and thus allowing a sensitive space for Poignant Feelings. Traditionally associated with the animal the crab which has a large shell which is mostly empty when cooked and opened with delicious meat in the legs.

thank you very much for your analysis, I find it accords very nicely with how I have experienced hexagram 3, and I find the image of the sculptor setting down to work really great!
And the idea of moving forward from previous conditions to a new situation is to the point for me in many ways today since I just got news about a job that will make sure I can go after my research dreams feeling safe I have something to fall back to . .


and . . oh my . . yet more reasons to smile like a fool! ompom: (that's the most blatantly silly emoticon I can use lol!!)

 

[fkegan]

Hi Dora,

Thank you for the kind words, I am pleased you are having a happy day.

Yesterday was a nice day for me, but then I stood out in the desert sunshine awhile.
hex 43.2>> hex 49 is an energetic oracle. Corresponding Sabian Symbol is: 2 Pisces or

Almost as if possessed with man's intelligence, a tiny squirrel remains watchful on a limb hidden from the hunters.

Best regards,
Frank

 

[charly]

lol Trojan
43.2 is an amazing line for me . . had mostly associated it with another animal side of me but hey, it does lead to transformation! who knows the strengths of a little crab
...

Dora:

43.2 Word by word, in upprcase W/B:

惕 li4: fearful / ALARM
號 hao4: roar / cry // sign / signal / password (military) / CRY
莫 mo4: none / no one / EVENING [?]
夜 ye4: night / NIGHT
有 you3: to have / there is / there are / ...
戎 rong2: war / warfare / military affairs / weapons / ARMS
勿 wu4: do not / NOTHING
恤 xu4: to worry / to suffer / FEAR
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FEARFUL CRY in the LONELY NIGHT
A cry from an unknown in the night, not seeing who is crying.
Be like a tiger crying in the night.

THERE IS WAR
it's the War

DO NOT FEAR
don't worry​

I don't understand too much. Maybe CRABS behaving like TIGERS?

What sort of WAR is about? In the WAR CRABS use to ROAR?


At 57.3 I have found 品 pin3 [piled things / conduct / grade / thing / good / type], and of course I remembered the marks of the coconut. Maybe after all, 品 pin3 means COCONUT.

And 57.3 悔亡。田獲三品。 says, maybe:

REMORSE DISAPPEARS.
In the FIELD CATCH THREE COCONUTS.
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Remorse will disappear when catching three, say, the task is not without end.
Or also, don't worry for the lost coconut, there will be anothers, even piles of them.
Or in hunting use HEAVY MUNITION, say like coconuts, maybe 品pin are CANNONBALLS.

All the best,

Charly

 

[rodaki]

hi Charly,

what lovely thoughts!
not sure if crabs roar, but we all have many animal sides inside . .
I have found that crabs chirp though

I'll post some ideas on 57.4 in the 57 thread

 

[Trojina]

hi Charly,

what lovely thoughts!
not sure if crabs roar, but we all have many animal sides inside . .
I have found that crabs chirp though

I'll post some ideas on 57.4 in the 57 thread

I knew crabs could chirp ! I think that crab is definatley laughing, sounds like its laughing to me anyway

 

[charly]

hi Charly,

what lovely thoughts!
not sure if crabs roar, but we all have many animal sides inside . .
I have found that crabs chirp though

I'll post some ideas on 57.4 in the 57 thread

Hi, Dora:

I have seen some Hermits along the YI, maybe they were CRABS!

CRABS ARE SOME OF THE COOLEST CRITTERS AROUND!

... If you have tried to pick one up, and it pinched you, it is not because the crab is mean. ... was only trying to defend itself...

Crabs are pretty talented and smart.

... you know that octopus’ eat crabs right? Well, Hermit crabs that live in the wild ... grab sea anemones and put them on their shells. The crab stays safe, and the anemone is happy because he gets leftover scraps to keep him fed.

... The males have one really long claw, and the females have two short claws. The way males attract females is how long their one claw is. ... Some crabs do a mating 'dance'.

I told you crabs are cool!

From: Living With The Not So Crabby Crabs by: Danielle French
at: http://www.outlawnet.com/outlaw/sisters_middleschool/fun/fren/crab/crabs.htm

Even for CRABS one is male and two female, surely they did read the Changes.

Hermits like to live in a shell. Some people could think thay they are almost like human beings. they are wrong.

See that CRABS are earlier than human beings in the planet, then human beings are almost like crabs.

The quoted source says that for caring a CRAB like a PET among other things is necessary « a half COCNUT for a Hermit Hut» Maybe a mere coincidence, but do you believe in coincidences?

Of course, if CRABS chirp they also belong to H.57, the NOISY HEXAGRAM, together with the SINGING CRICKETS.

Yours,

Charly

 

[charly]

I knew crabs could chirp ! I think that crab is definatley laughing, sounds like its laughing to me anyway

Hi, Trojan:

Maybe CRABS are the people that LAUGH LAST.

FROM: http://russian.wunderground.com/blog/hurricanecrab/comment.html?entrynum=40&tstamp=200707
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Yours,

Charly

 

[rodaki]

yay!! happy chirpy creatures unite!!
(no crab membership necessary )

 

[emc2cme]

Just curious, Frank

Hi, Frank,

Please excuse my ineptness with the "quote" feature (in other words, it's probably not going to come out looking like a quote should), but I liked the part where you said:

"This is the hexagram of the sculptor first putting chisel to the uncarved block to begin to execute his sculpture."

I'm wondering if you have any more interpretations like that. I know that over time, most develop a kind of "shorthand" for the various hexagrams/lines, but I was curious as to whether you found this elsewhere, or whether you "sculpted" it yourself. In any case, I'd be interested if you'd like to share the shorthand on the other hexagrams and/or lines.

For various reasons, I don't keep up with these forums (fora?) as much as I'd like--otherwise, I'd probably already have seen your pithy summaries. So please allow in advance for my ignorance.

And I know it must get tedious being gender "correct", but as an amateur sculptor...

Nancy

 

[fkegan]

Hi Nancy,
BTW the quote format is

and it ends with /quote also in brackets, I left them off to show the format in the unquote part. Play with it, if you have it right you will see it in the preview post and if not you can correct it as need be.

Not sure about "gender correct" in general the traditional word was to say that the -ess suffix such as authoress was a diminutive or condescending term. The best woman sculptor I knew used sculptor to describe her calling. I personally use a plural they to indicate he/she even if referring to only one person on the grounds that the objective proper form is that each of us is she for our subjective feelings and he for our objective statements. This has the advantage of not requiring re-writing of traditional literature, it simply becomes obvious they are all objective (and usually formal) statements.

My remarks on hex 3 is part of my general structural analysis of the hexagrams from their Yang line placements only. My remarks on them for individual hexagrams are at this point just on the Monad, Dyad, Triad, Tetrad pages from the Flux Tome page in my signature. It has only been recently that it all has come together in the combination of the structural analysis of the hexagrams from their Yang lines and the overall analysis of the King Wen Sequence from the sets of 10. That page for the 6 sets of 10 and the final four hexagrams I have outlined, but I am doing posts, facebook and twitter instead of working on that page since I got a fortune cookie with our takeout dinner that told me that simplicity of style is very important. But that is quite a challenge for me and a frog I am not quite ready to eat with all the fall out from the recent pair of eclipses to marvel at.

You haven't missed it all, though various stages of my developing insights are in my various posts, especially in Maria's memorizing threads. The insight that hex3, which I called Strikes back in 1978 when the structural analysis wasn't nearly fully formed, was the first strike of the chisel is a relatively new image. When only the first transition from prior conditions and the overall organization and plan are perceived as focus, with everything else just back of the background context, then hex3 takes form. It is like the sculptor's first chisel stroke (or the writer's first word upon the page which I am more familiar with) though it is not the stroke of the diamond cutter (hex 53) since that isn't a beginning but a completion and transition to the next reality (either gem or dust) as an expression of personal passion and overall organization (Yang lines in the 3rd, 5th and 6th places only). That is the system.

As to origins, it first arose in Belgium when I was explaining the structure of the hexagrams to my friend there and it fell into place that just the structure was the key to the meaning. That was an insight around New Year's 1974/75. But getting real clarity about it for each and every hexagram took till much more recently, after the modern millennium (CE 1001-2000) ended and this new century starting in 2001 was well under way. They are my own creation of course. No one else believes the hexagrams can be explained directly from the lines without Chinese commentary.

Frank

 

[emc2cme]

Hi, again, Frank

I'm not going to even attempt to do the "quote" thing this late at night. Usually I'm a night owl, but for some reason (maybe it was the driving around in the heat with my air-conditioner broken for seven hours), I'm very tired tonight.

And I've just read your pithy post and know I couldn't possible do it justice.

I'll look at it tomorrow again, so as to better appreciate the nuances. And I'll definitely check out your sites to see how what you said above correlates with what you say there.

But just a brief rejoinder. I agree with the "sculptress" part. It rings false.

Hopefully, I'll be more animated tomorrow.

Nancy

 

[Trojina]

I'm not going to even attempt to do the "quote" thing this late at night. Usually I'm a night owl, but for some reason (maybe it was the driving around in the heat with my air-conditioner broken for seven hours), I'm very tired tonight.



Nancy

all you have to do to quote is highlight the text you wish to quote then click the 4th button from the right on the toolbar above.