Hex 42 unchanging

[River1980]

I asked yi why they betrayed me?

I don't understand what they could gain from doing this other than to hurt me. But I didn't do anything to them.

I do not understand this reading in relation to my question at all. Please help. Hurting so much.

 

[moss elk]

I asked yi why they betrayed me?

I don't understand what they could gain from doing this other than to hurt me. But I didn't do anything to them.

I do not understand this reading in relation to my question at all. Please help. Hurting so much.

So, what happened?

 

[River1980]

I don't want to get into what happened. There was a big betrayal. I just want to know why it happened

 

[Trojina]

Well we can't just say why it happened given the amount of information you have given and also why it happened is a convoluted question IMO because you aren't including yourself in question you are standing outside of it and when you stand outside a question the answers can be difficult to apply which is why it is generally more useful to ask from your own vantage point since that way you can see how to apply the answer.


It's impossible to say why they betrayed you. I could guess and pretend to be psychic but what's the point.

Also the first thing is are you sure they betrayed you ? Sometimes people do shitty things without having planned to betray you.

So you need to give proper information or alternatively a better question which IMO would be something along the lines of 'what is my best reaction to their behaviour ?'. This is a far more useful question since you will get a clue as to the 'why' within that. Yi might tell you to challenge them, or keep communicating with them which might imply there are misunderstandings or it might tell you there is no regret in moving on from them.


It isn't realistic to post this absolute bare minimum of information plus an unhelpful question and expect to get illuminating replies here.

 

[fallada]

Hello hurt person !
Maybe the following story helps or inspires or applies .. or not ... you decide.

Years ago I asked why X stumbled from one into the next abusive situation. This tragic life seemed to cover all possible forms of abuse from early childhood on: emotional, sexual, physical violence, abused as a kind of working slave ... She was the sweetest, most generouse and uncomplicated person. She had her desperate moments, but she never gave up and always tried to become a better person. Don't know where she drew her strenght from. What is X's pattern that invites/allowes abuse ? 42uc. One day she disappeared without a trace. My heart still opens up wide when I think of her.


For some years this reading captured my mind and I started to think of it as a kind of koan. Yi can be so annoyingly clever.


One day when parking I scratched my neighbour's (big and new!) car. OMG. This will be expensive. Left my number behind his wiper. How will this be settled? 42uc. Days later he called me. He was so generouse: "Oh, the damage can hardly be seen, it took me days to realize what you mean. Let's not fuss about it. Have a nice day".


Then the penny dropped.

 

[Sixth Relative]

Hi River

This is going to sound counterintuitive to you, but using the Wen Wang Gua method to read hexagrams, 42 without active lines implies they didn't:
a) the line representing you is Chen (earth) with the relative attached Wife/Assets
b) therefore, to read a bretrayal in the hexagram we need to find a line which is both active and attacks the line representing you.
c) There are 2 ways to attack a line with the branch Chen i) any active line with a branch with the element wood (since wood destroys/attacks earth) and ii) any active line in clash to Chen, which should be Xu (since Xu and Chen clash one to each other)
d) There is no line with the branch Xu in hex 42
e) There are 2 lines with element wood in hex 42; one has branch Mao and the other one has the branch Yin. Both of them are inactive; they are no attacking.
f) The element wood in a month of Earth is in a stage of "imprisonment" meaning it's unable to move or attack. We are now in the month Chou (earth). So the only lines which could represent a betrayal are unable to act.
g) Every date has 2 branches named "void" (there are 12 branches and 10 stems, therefore, there ir always the case of 2 branches with no stem) A void branch in unable to move and to produce effect. If you asked in the 10 days-period to which January 21 belongs (since the systems states that you posted on January 21) the void branches are precisely Yin and Mao. This would reinforce that the only lines which could represent a betrayal are not into effect.

Please, don't read this comment as any way to disregard your feelings. It's just an honest attempt to relate hex 42uc to your question. And who knows, as Trojina said: there could cases where someone really hurt us, but not necessarily be labeled as betrayal.

Best wishes

 

[weaver]

What a beautiful story! Thank you.

 

[Trojina]

Hello hurt person !
Maybe the following story helps or inspires or applies .. or not ... you decide.

Years ago I asked why X stumbled from one into the next abusive situation. This tragic life seemed to cover all possible forms of abuse from early childhood on: emotional, sexual, physical violence, abused as a kind of working slave ... She was the sweetest, most generouse and uncomplicated person. She had her desperate moments, but she never gave up and always tried to become a better person. Don't know where she drew her strenght from. What is X's pattern that invites/allowes abuse ? 42uc. One day she disappeared without a trace. My heart still opens up wide when I think of her.


For some years this reading captured my mind and I started to think of it as a kind of koan. Yi can be so annoyingly clever.


One day when parking I scratched my neighbour's (big and new!) car. OMG. This will be expensive. Left my number behind his wiper. How will this be settled? 42uc. Days later he called me. He was so generouse: "Oh, the damage can hardly be seen, it took me days to realize what you mean. Let's not fuss about it. Have a nice day".


Then the penny dropped.

Really interesting examples I have just referred to in CC. I'm going to copy these over to the 42uc thread if that's okay.

 

[Liselle]

Then the penny dropped.

Fallada, sorry, but I'm being dense...the penny's not dropping for me as it apparently did for you and everyone else...would you explain a little more, please?

 

[fallada]

Hi Lisa,
How I see it:
Line 5 gives without taking. Line 2 is lucky in recieving. And yet both are blessed. Though things can be very profane and practical in 42, what imo actually is given and taken in 42 does not belong to the category "if you have it, I cannot have it - if I give it to you, I will be diminished". No wonder some of us pour in more involvement and more energy even if it is a loss by usual standards. They are generouse, understanding and kind souls reaching for ever deeper heavens in themselves. This way they tip over into 42's shadow 23. This may manifest as being overly self critical and scrupulouse, not taking themselves and their own just interests seriously and so giving up purpose and direction.
Jesed once said: "42 is tricky like 55. Under 42 you want to improve and lead it to a higher level, but you have already reached the peak of the ascendent movement. It's the MOST you can reach. If you like it, try ro fix it, keep it save. The start of decadence." I could not agree more.

I hope you can relate.

 

[fallada]

Trojina, do whatever you consider useful !

 

[Liselle]

Hi Lisa,
How I see it:
Line 5 gives without taking. Line 2 is lucky in recieving. And yet both are blessed. Though things can be very profane and practical in 42, what imo actually is given and taken in 42 does not belong to the category "if you have it, I cannot have it - if I give it to you, I will be diminished". No wonder some of us pour in more involvement and more energy even if it is a loss by usual standards. They are generouse, understanding and kind souls reaching for ever deeper heavens in themselves. This way they tip over into 42's shadow 23. This may manifest as being overly self critical and scrupulouse, not taking themselves and their own just interests seriously and so giving up purpose and direction.
Jesed once said: "42 is tricky like 55. Under 42 you want to improve and lead it to a higher level, but you have already reached the peak of the ascendent movement. It's the MOST you can reach. If you like it, try ro fix it, keep it save. The start of decadence." I could not agree more.

I hope you can relate.

Well...I might understand little parts of it, maybe? But - you got 42 unchanging readings, not lines 2 and 5, right? And how is hexagram 42 "profane"? And how is it both profane and "practical"? I'm not sure I've ever heard anything described as both profane and practical before...

Jesed once said: "42 is tricky like 55. Under 42 you want to improve and lead it to a higher level, but you have already reached the peak of the ascendent movement. It's the MOST you can reach. If you like it, try ro fix it, keep it save. The start of decadence."

But 42's Image calls for improvement, doesn't it? Or does the Image mean you've already done that, and now you should stop? Is the Image in the past tense?

 

[Sixth Relative]

Hi lisa

Imitating good and correcting evil is the way to "keep it save" (whatever you have achieve) and avoid the begining of decadence. Doing that, the situation won't elvolve into hex 41 (41 and 42 are the cycle of rising and decadence) but something else.

 

[fallada]

I want to state that X's question by no means implies, that a victim of abuse - that any victim of abuse ! - carries (at least some) responsibility for the abuse or can be blamed for the abuse in one way or another.
I am truly sorry for this possible misunderstanding, because I understand what a very difficult process it is - esp. for long term victims - to fully realize that they are not the cause for what happens to them and that they are neither wrong as a person nor have done anything wrong.

The above question was the "photonegative" of "I will never allow this to happen again" which reflects a proactive and positive approach in regaining control of one's life.

 

[fallada]

I take from Lisa's reaction that I have misused the word 'profane'. I'm not a native speaker. I hope most readers could guess that I meant s.t. along the meaning of "worldly/unholy" as in "profane" music. A pair of socks would be a practical and worldly thing. An incense burner is a practical object yet it may also be sacred.

What 42 calls for -according to the commentary - is personal engagement (with the purpose to increase). 42uc won't tell me where I stand in the timeline between engagement and experiencing augmentation. It could be anything from
a) you've done your best (already) - things will turn out ok
b) keep at this and it will bear the fruits you hope for, to
c) count your blessings ! filled to the rim ... still pouring in - or messing about?

Situation c) ime may seem 55ish and seem to take on the meaning of "No blessings". The commentary on the judgement by Han Kangbo [in: Lynn, R.J.(1994): The classic of changes: A new Translation of the I Ching as interpreted by Wang Bi, N.Y: Columbia University Press] explains: "Increase should be used to make up insufficiencies. If one were to keep increasing something that is already full, this would be Dao that leads to harm."

Imhe this commentary proved to be tremendously helpful with 42uc readings.​