Hex 54 1.2 hexagram 8 and strange strange story of confusement please help

[lohengrin]

Hellow everybody

I am the newby here, seem not to be perfect but I have question with Iching that bothers me a lot.

The overwiev of the situation.
I met someone in 2012 and it was something great, but I screwed up. That is my usual pattern when I fall in so called love. I ruin things, not feeling comfortable and so on. Of course I expleined to myself that situation (of my own failiure) that there were no place for me in this relationehip and so on. Well life goes on I completly eraised everithing connected with this incydent (smses, telephone numbers and memories). In 2015 during my busieness routine I met some Chinease people. During an informal meeting we had a fantastic chat about feng shui, how they do this, why it is so important for them. We were talking a lot and one of those Chinease businessmans told me about even more important thing for them – bazi. I dont know if it sounds familiar to you but it is something like astrology in western countries. The assumption is that life flows, you have good periods and bad periods. They mentioned that I ching stands on the top of bazi and is reserved for the most developed wise people – this forum proves it. One of the guys gave me an email of the guy in China who was doing bazi. I sent him my date of birth, exact hour of birth and the location. It was June 2015. After two weeks I had received the assesment. It was quite shocking – for instance how could he had known I had no children, husband, what sort of business I am doing. But ok we can cal lit general guess though people who need something to know, usually have certain common problems possible to describe in general divination. But let’s get to the point. The last sentence of this assasement was literally:
Go back to 2012 and think of a man that you have meet in a public occasion. He is in deep hiding now, find him. 2016 is a good year for a union. The less you talk the better your chance. Someone that you associate freedom with, cool relax guy that seem to move everyone along. Next window is in 2019.
I had to rewind my memories and yes I was qiute shocked IT WAS HIM!!!! But the only thing I did at that time was checking him on facebook, few memories, short thought that I might contact him but from the other side – well after such a long time, after all of this…. and forgot about this stuff letting life go on.

And the December 2015 came. I have birthday that month. During my birthday I usually get lot’s of smses of people I don’t know or don’t remamber. Usually replying kindly without thinking from whom it was. One of the smses from unknown number I had received was hmm quite familiar. I somehow couldn’t forget it and on the next day I checked my old mailbox that I didn’t eraise and yes this sms was from the men from 2012!!! I was more then shocked. I left on short holidays and in the meantime we started to send each others smses. I recalled that bazi stuff… and we finally met in February 2016. We are not pushing things, there are lot of issues between us, lot of mistrust and lots of natural closeness. My old deamons starts to wake and starting to think that I wouldn’t wont to screw i tup again because it is somethin I have to work on in my life but it is so hard.

I asked I ching that sort of questin: If I remove all of my internal obstacles how would our acquintance evolve: Got hexagram 8 unchanging
The second question was: What are the obstacles I need to remove in myself according to get into the relationeship with this men: Got answer: hexagram 54 1.2 to 16
As hex 8 is good I can not quite understand the second one.

I asked also what he feels about me and got 53.5 which is generally bad and strange…


Dear all could you please handle me with your knowledge in interpretation?

 

[Sixth Relative]

Hi

BaZi is great for Life Reading. There are other tools for Life reading in Chinese Metaphysics, giving you even more detailed info. Nevertheless, it's wise to remember that Life Reading (or Destiny) in Chinese culture is not as deterministic as in Western culture. In Chinese culture, you have 3 kind of Luck: the Heaven luck (Destiny, with tools as BaZi, QiMen DunJia, ZiWei DouShu, etc), the Earth luck (your enviroment, with tools as Feng Shui and QiMen DunJia) and the Man Luck (the consequences of your free will and actions, with tools as Yijing). What actually happens in your real life depends on the combination of these 3 Lucks, but out of the 3, the most important is the Man Luck: your free will. That's why Yijing states that a person can change it's own Destiny.

This Chinese view is more balanced - IMO- than what we see in the West, where either one believe in an absolute free will as Destiny doesn't exist or one believe in an absolute predestination as Free Will doesn't exist.

Now, about line 5 of 53, it is not bad. How can be bad to finally get pregnant after 3 years of tryings? The text is explicit about "good fortune". That's with the most know method to read the Yijing--- using the text. There is another method, Wen Wang Gua, which uses the same symbols used in BaZi. With that method, he has feelings for you, but there is/was another woman looking after him (chasing him). Eventually, the influence of this woman will decrease. That is a good sign for you.

I see 54 to 16 as a lack of self-esteem; as if you don't believe to be fully fit for marriage and as if you don't believe to be the Wife and to deserve to be married. That wrong idea (hex 16 sometimes implies delusion, wrong ideas) is the main obstacle, in my opinion.

Best wishes

 

[peter2610]

Hello Lohengrin

"If I remove all of my internal obstacles...." Hex 8 is warning you to hold yourself together, don't throw away any instinctive concerns. The ruling line of Hex 8, the essence of Hex 8 - 5th yang, is reminding you to be prepared to let the game escape the net. The nuclear hexagram, Hex 23 Splitting Apart is giving an identical warning, don't abandon your core values in your eagerness for unity, you would lose yourself and reap suffering.

54,1,2-16 is urging you to maintain your rectitude, to go on as you are, the time for any important transition has not yet arrived. The parallel nuclear progression 63,1 - 39 is urging you to brake your wheels and wait.

Have got to go now but if anything not clear, just ask.

Peter

 

[lohengrin]

Thank you so much for clearing me how it works. I am absolutely thrilled by the accuracy of these approaches. BaZi to me is something like a stock market behavior. Everything is floatin upside and never only up and never only down it is sort of sequence of repeating disasters, fortunes, opportunities and breakdowns. The only thing is to catch a propper point and flow with it - what do you think?

According to the assesment it might be very accurate. I am scared, the closer we get the more frightent I am. The first part of this relationeship left me in position of a cheater. A person you can not rely on. It is very difficoult for him to trust me probably. And yes I think that he is keeping somebody in backup if I fail again. I am scared of failiure and not feeling comfortable with potential oponent. Your interpretation gave me some courage that it is worth to not to run away... I know he loves me, I knew it then, I think he still does, but my suspicious brain tells me that maybee he wont some sort of revange... And the rest is my illusion... The marriage issue thats correct, never thought of getting married (fear). Why life must be so complicated. Thank you once again

Now, about line 5 of 53, it is not bad. How can be bad to finally get pregnant after 3 years of tryings? The text is explicit about "good fortune". That's with the most know method to read the Yijing--- using the text. There is another method, Wen Wang Gua, which uses the same symbols used in BaZi. With that method, he has feelings for you, but there is/was another woman looking after him (chasing him). Eventually, the influence of this woman will decrease. That is a good sign for you.

I see 54 to 16 as a lack of self-esteem; as if you don't believe to be fully fit for marriage and as if you don't believe to be the Wife and to deserve to be married. That wrong idea (hex 16 sometimes implies delusion, wrong ideas) is the main obstacle, in my opinion.

 

[lohengrin]

Hello Peter
Thank you for your view- gosh like you guys knew me.
So the hex 8 is still worning me to be myself - not get crazy again or just be aware of potential failiure?

 

[mirian]

Hex 8 - If you remove your internal obstacles this will evolve into a relationship, I think.
Hex 54.1.2 > 16 - I think you know already what the obstacles are: you feel insecure about relationships, you don't believe that you can do just fine, things look unclear in this area of your life.
Hex 53.5 - he feels that this is going to be a step by step process, and there are quite a few obstacles to overcome, but looks through a very optimistic perspective (nothing bad or strange about that, I don't think).

 

[Sixth Relative]

Hello Lohengrin

"If I remove all of my internal obstacles...." Hex 8 is warning you to hold yourself together, don't throw away any instinctive concerns.

Hi Peter
The actual text warns against being too late for the union because of hesitation. The nuclear hexagram cannot override the actual answer.

Regarding line 5, you are right: it reminds us to be prepared to let the game escape IF the game tries to escape. But it also reminds us to catch the game IF the game presents voluntarily. In this case, he came voluntarily to her.

Best

 

[lohengrin]

thank you for your approaches, they are helpful with understanding what I Ching is telling me. I haven't decided yet if to involve my whole self nevertheless I have decided to observe, react and just in case keep good words in my soul and some bullets in my pocket. It has always worked when I wsn't involwed, just reaching goals.

Best for all of you

 

[peter2610]

Hi Sixth Relative,

I see the central theme of Hex 8 as the Holding Together of the five yin lines with the ruling line at fifth yang. As explained in the Judgement this requires sublimity, constancy and perseverance. The central idea is the holding together of one's core values in the face of various options - Anthony describes it well: "We hold all things together by holding to what is correct within ourselves. Our inner attitude determines everything." Anyone who fails to recognise or understand in time this process of Holding Together with one's core values will indeed, suffer misfortune.

Nuclear hexagrams and progressions do NOT override the initial reading, they support it, that is why they have been named "The Parallel Nuclear Progression." The process of Holding Together with one's core values and the prevention of them Splitting Apart are the same process.

Lohengrin's relationship with this guy is not yet settled or secure if it were she would not have taken this reading. She is still considering her options and I have simply sought to make them clearer.

Cheers

 

[lohengrin]

hi Peter

Does your interpretation mean that I should retreat when something in my core tells me to do so, in other case I would get crippled?

 

[peter2610]

Hi Lohengrin,
the best response in an uncomfortable social situation is initially one of balanced calmness. Don't respond with hostility or expressive friendship until you have assessed the situation and how it arose. If you decide to give it another try then extend yourself moderately and carefully, but NOT with an attitude of being a judge over the other person. Simply see if the relationship can restart from a gentle, moderate position.

If a relationship is structured in such a way that you are constantly being asked to make sacrifices then only you can really decide. If the needs of your partner are genuine and sincere then your love might well enable you to make any necessary sacrifices. If they are false and manipulative then I would suggest that you think on it very carefully. This is an area in which you have to be very cautious, needy people are often very vulnerable.

Finally, the point raised in your question. If you repeatedly feel a deep urge to retreat then don't keep ignoring it but, if possible, retreat rather than finish.

The highest teaching in all this was given by Jesus: "Love thine enemies." But that's another post about the size of a small book.

 

[lohengrin]

Hi Peter,
Thank you for the advice based on the oracle. I have decided to retreat.