hex 57.5 to 18

[holidaygirl]

Sorry to post again...before I asked in general about my love life and what was next (the other thread I started). This time I asked about a guy from my past that I haven't seen for a while. He always comes up for me in readings...

I asked about the future between me and him and I got Hex 57, line 5 to Hex 18.

Any thoughts?

I appreciate the insight! I'm new to all this...

 

[holidaygirl]

also, both hex's talk about this 3 days thing...can this be interpreted for timing? or is it just advice on how to handle it

 

[ace]

Not sure about others ... but I usually need a specific question in order to answer. What was the question to accompany the 57-18 reading?

oops ... you did ask "the future between me and him" and you received Hex 57, line 5 to Hex 18.

57. 5 Slow and carefully thought-out progress. It seems that the future is now. You are creating patterns with him now that will play-out or impact the future. LISE 57.5 says "The result of this process is a character and destination which can hardly be changed anymore, like the liquid metal which is very hard after cooling down. So be careful with the moments when you still can shape things." I guess the "blueprint" of the future with him is being drawn now.

18.5 seems to be re-enforcing and guiding the first line. LISE 18.5 "Do not force people or events when it is not necessary, act as gentle as possible, then changes can grow organically. The slightest push can thwart growth."

 

[pocossin]

I asked about the future between me and him.
57.5 >18

Hexagram 57 concerns authority.

57 Image

Winds following one upon the other:
The image of the Gently Penetrating.
Thus the superior man
Spreads his commands abroad
And carries out his undertakings.

Nine in the fifth place means:
Perseverance brings good fortune.
Remorse vanishes.
Nothing that does not further.
No beginning, but an end.
Before the change, three days.
After the change, three days.
Good fortune.

Line 5 (imo) concerns a change of authority like the passing of the seal of office to a successor. This isn't done suddenly. There is preparation (three days before) and follow-through (three days after). In terms of the guy from your past, the implication is that in the passage of time the person in the dominant role has changed. Whichever way it changed, the change should be beneficial to you.

18.0
Work on What Has Been Spoiled
Has supreme success.
It furthers one to cross the great water.
Before the starting point, three days.
After the starting point, three days.


The relationship will need to be rebuilt. It failed to flourish originally, and the cause of failure will need to be cleared away before new growth can occur.

 

[holidaygirl]

Thanks ace and pocossin!

Pocossin that makes sense as I have not seen him in so long, and things did fail to flourish at first. It was an amazing connection and was mutual. Another person got involved and got between us. It was very delicate cause it was very new so this ruined things. But the feelings I had for him went on and on no matter what. I've even dated others, but he would always be in my mind no matter how hard I tried to move on. And in my spirit I felt that he still felt the same way. I also felt he had some growing to do. Could that three days thing in 57 mean that he needs to go through a process first? He needs to realize some things, change some thins...like get rid of the ego and he needs to be the one to reach out to me?

Also, Ace, you say patterns are being created now...he is from the past, I haven't seen him in so long. Maybe those patterns are changes in his own life? It makes sense that things should be slow and careful. It sounds so scary, like walking on egg shells and anything I do could possible ruin it...

I'm still flabbergasted by the 3 days things as it was in both hexagrams. Does that really relate to timing or just natural process of things?

 

[ace]

"And in my spirit I felt that he still felt the same way. I also felt he had some growing to do. Could that three days thing in 57 mean that he needs to go through a process first? He needs to realize some things, change some thins...like get rid of the ego and he needs to be the one to reach out to me?"

You may not have "seen" him in person for a long time, but you often "see" him in your mind's eye. You re-member him to your life often; IOW, you make him a member of your mental/psychological community often (e.g., you (re)member him). Not sure, but this could be the blueprint that is being created now from the past. This might also be the blueprint that will control future interactions.
- he needs to do some growing
- he needs to realize some things
- he needs to change some things
- he needs to get rid of the ego
- he needs to be the one to reach out to me

Not sure that this type of blueprint would help gentle and cool discussions that could facilitate healing. Pocossin is absolutely correct about the mending of a relationship, or re-building of a relationship (Hex. 18). Harsh winds can create distruction and force people inside; gentle breezes can cool the heat, and comfort people. Thus, your gentle and cautious attitude might be important factors in addressing the errors or breaks in this past relationship.

PS. The three days might mean that before the change/movement/action there will be a short period of preparation, and after the change/movement/action there will be a short period of settling. This is a change that will require time and flexibility ... it is a process that has multiple stages, like the preparation for the change, the change itself, and the adjustment/settling of the change. Not sure.

 

[holidaygirl]

thanks for your insights ace!

I just asked about him contacting me again...I thought it could help clarify if he has that intention or not and how it would happen.

I got 49 line 4 to hex 11.

49 seems to speak of getting things in order first before making contact, a time of preparation so things happen in the right timing. I think it also speaks of him coming forward to me, taking the initiative to contact me. and 11 as the outcome feels like things will be solved.

It seems to shed light on the original reading

 

[ace]

Not to be difficult but 49.4 > 63, not 11.

 

[holidaygirl]

oooh. I guess I don't understand how iching works. When I did the reading I got 49 with changing line 4 and then it said hex 11.

Where do you get the 63 from? I'm not sure I understand how it works

 

[ace]

hmm ... if you look at the six lines of hexagram 49, and then you count up from the bottom to the fourth line, if the line is changing it means that it is changing from a solid line to a broken line. This particular line change transforms hexagram 49 to hexagram 63. This is the relating hexagram.

If 49 were to transform into hexagram 11, you would need line changes at lines 2, 4, 5, or 49.2,4,5>11. So you would read hex 49 lines 2, 4, and 5, and hex 11 (for some).

Or, you are using some other system that I am not aware of, which is possible. Not sure. Others more knowledgeable with multiple systems might be able to comment. One of the moderators might be able to weigh in on this situation; they have been around lots of folks using lots of different styles of reading.

 

[holidaygirl]

I used ichingonline.net

Not sure what system that is..

 

[ace]

Not sure ... I am quite certain that there was an error somewhere. I might try ...

Ewald's : http://www.eclecticenergies.com/
LISE: http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/index.html
Hiliary's: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/free_I_Ching_reading/flash.php

You might or might not enjoy the particular interpretations, but these sites are not going to make line errors in readings.

 

[rodaki]

I tried checking out the site you used holidaygirl, and I don't think you got a wrong result but the site employs a rule that says that when you have a reading with 3 changing lines, only the middle one applies . . I think that your reading probably was 49 with changing lines 2,4,5 to 11 (like ace said) but in the 'Changing Lines' tab the site only gave you the text for line 4 (middle line)

. . makes sense?
I think you can still use that site to cast your readings but then read more sources for interpreting them and you should do fine!

 

[rodaki]

oh, btw, I don't think there's anything wrong with the interpretation of the site you used, except that it gives only a part of your answer . . in any case, no matter how you get your answers I think consulting other translations will give you the freedom you need to decide what fits best to your individual situation -well, at least that's what I do . .

 

[ace]

ah ... makes sense. Thanks for being so thorough Rodaki. I agree with what you say about consulting many translations ...

 

[holidaygirl]

thanks for the insights!! really helps.

So I guess then that the reading was correct but now I have to read for lines 2, 4 and 5?

I'm going to check out the links you sent. Thanks a lot!

The question was (to clarify the first question) is if he has the intention of contacting me....

So 49 lines 2, 4 5 to hex 11....any thoughts on what that means? the revolution thing is a bit confusing....