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Hex 8 and Hex 45 about a soulmate question?

sofia

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Hi again,

I asked the IC whether F sees me as their soulmate? and I got Hex 8 unchanging.

I asked the same question again straight after and received 45 unchanging (I asked again just to get a reinforced view of things - I sometimes do this when there's a very specific question involved)

These are both about gathering/uniting with common purposes and support so there seems to be a consistency. Could this perhaps reflect a "soulmate" scenario?

thanks to anyone who can help out with this :)

sofia
 

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Mmm, I've either asked an offensive question or a boring one! :confused: since no one has offered any insight so far.....

Either way, if anyone is still willing to at least offer clarity on 8 and 45 in general that would be appreciated. The question isn't a matter of life or death. It's just another way for me to learn more about the hexagrams and their variety of interpretations depending on the question.

If it helps any, I feel a strong connection with this person to the point that's unexplainable. I've only had that feeling twice before in my life and admittedly they were romantic situations whereas this one isn't (well not as I see it at this stage). But one of those times the person wasn't at a spiritual level to acknowledge the connection, or just simply didn't want to acknowledge it, which was their fair choice. So I'm really just curious about F and to be honest probably trying to distinguish spiritual connection from delusional enthusiasm as a personal check :eek:
 
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Hi Sofia,

It's possible that some don't know quite how to reckon with the soul mate idea, which makes interpreting your specific reading a bit awkward.

I use these shortcuts for 45 and 8, which may be of some help.

45 get it together
8 keep it together

That can apply emotionally, as it is a common expression to someone whose mind is scattered here and there. But it can apply in more complex ways as well.
 

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Hi Sophia,
For I-ching, there're rules about how you should ask the question, and one of them is one cannot ask the same question again in the same day. Therefore, it is probably best not to interpret your current readings at all, for they are inacurrate. So give it a try again tomorrow
 
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A couple of other thoughts about 8 and 45.

Ti Ming and special occasions are critical for 8. And 45 brings along with it the good, bad and in-between.

So, it may be one thing to gather together with someone in true soul mate fashion, but along with that will come difficulties, as with any relationship, and being prepared for them is required.

And, keeping (8) soul mates together will still require effort to adhere to certain special formalities and courtesies. A husband soul mate, for example, might lose his head for wishing his wife soul mate a Happy Anniversary, a day late.
 

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A husband soul mate, for example, might lose his head for wishing his wife soul mate a Happy Anniversary, a day late.

Meng
Where on earth did you get the idea that a husband could ever forget an anniversary or a birthday?
Wash your mouth out........:D

Mike
 
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I heard it happens, Mike. Course wouldn't know first hand or nuthin'. :bag:
 

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There's no rule that you *can't* ask the same question on the same day.There is a basic tradtion if you will, that to ask more than once may be importuning--just as if I ask you what you think and then ask again--it might be that I didn't hear your 1st answer as complete.
But #8 w/ no changes does suggest, even state emphatically, that one ask again to know if you're up to the calling of "holding together".I'm presuming ;-)that's why Sofia asked again.I think also some of us are in the I Ching class, which I'm supposed to be in(but can't figure out how in my unusual circumstances) and besides, on Sundays, not as many people are even here on Clarity.
What is a better way to look at the business of asking more questions--is to really read the 1st,and/or ask more *about* the situation w/o asking the same exact question.You can reword it to be more specific, for example, or ask something that is truly different but about the same issue.Does that make sense now?
Now, as far as I can say off the top of my head #8 is about, as you know Holding together in a group,or joining one.In my expereince only, this Hexagram w/o changes suggests the situation is open and somehwat "here" nOw, but nothing clear happening yet in any active way .
I know #8 to mean there is at the same time you're wondering about person or group(F.)in this case, you're being asked if you are sure this is for *you*.Are you about what F is about?Do you have the strength,constancy and self-esteem to join in this "group" (join in a close relationship)with F.?
I have found #8 to remind me to know what is right for me, regardless of what tempting but lesser offers I may get,regardless of fear,etc.
Does this mean anything to you?Because for me, it did, though I have to admit, when I first received it, at probably 17 yrs old, I wasn't so sure.(or was so sure that I realy wasn't at all aware what it really meant) :p
I've known soul mates that were not lovers and some that definitely were.Some seemingly special people, would-be lovers, were not meant to be in my life forever, and were special in a way I wasn't as focussed on.
I *think* that with #s 8 and 45, there is a connection here, but what exactly do *you* want it to be? As Meng Key & chiahsheh were saying I know 45 asks some idfferent questions.For example, there is a special (for you) group you're wanting to join, and I suspect the membership is*not*closed ot you.However--if you're in this group, is it again, the right one for *you*?And, another question that #8 doesn't actually ask, but 45 does--are you prepared to protect yourself and also protect the group too if need be?
They're 2 different questions--one is about the possibility of being attacked within the group, and one is the group being attacked from outside.
Who is really the leader or center -person in this group?
I know you're asking about F and you so the question of leadership is more about what and who is at the center of this group, what is the true reason for it, what are the basic belief systems and are you both able & willing to be *in* it.
Which you'll probably answer yes- for yourself-but in a deeply felt manner --are you really sure?Are you and F. both single and unattached?Are you both truly evolved psychologically/emotionally/spiritually roughly in the same way?Or is it a potential only?
If you and F are truly soulmates--I *think*, though it sounds kind of humorous(or frustrating) the Yi is suggesting you find out.
Once again--if we *really* know ourselves, if we're really honest, there may be oodles of attraction and spiritual feelings between you two, but is it someone to spend more time with indefinitely?Forever? In great conversation, and flirtation? In a lovely, or maybe, intense sexual manner?
And even then--you and I know, that relationships change over time--eventually F. will anoy you or not be as interesting as they seem right now.So you have to go ahead and find out what this connection is to be.
I have to go find out where my "group' is right now.:)
 

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There's no rule that you *can't* ask the same question on the same day.There is a basic tradtion if you will, that to ask more than once may be importuning--just as if I ask you what you think and then ask again--it might be that I didn't hear your 1st answer as complete.
But #8 w/ no changes does suggest, even state emphatically, that one ask again to know if you're up to the calling of "holding together".I'm presuming ;-)that's why Sofia asked again.

Thanks to everyone for responding and your input. Thanks especially to you Proserpine for your lengthy input :) Yes I did ask again because Hex 8 says to consult the IC again - but I wasn't aware of the "same day rule" so I guess I've learnt something else here too. :bows: I do ask twice sometimes but only when I've exhausted all avenues of interpretation and really can't find any comparable reading on this site to help out....i.e. I ask the IC for further clarification.

Re your thoughts on Hex 8 and Hex 45, they make sense....F does belong to a "group" which I question whether I belong to (or want to belong to). In fact I'm not a group person at all. I fall into friendships based on the natural evolution of things and the comfort and love I feel with people of all different shapes and sizes, as long as they don't offend my absolute core values. While F and I are so incredibly similar on many levels, we are also extremely different, ranging from the way we were raised to our absolute strict core beliefs which I know him to be so much more stringent on than I am (to the point that I find it too restrictive and just don't get it!). I'm more of a relaxed open minded understanding type when human beings err, because I know they do! Whereas F is very very judgemental and clings to traditional groups and ways, despite being one of the most intelligent, talented and supposedly worldly people I know. So this already has annoyed me and I'm sure it would continue to...

It's been good food for thought :D

Thanks again

sofia :bows:
 

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dear prosperpine,
There is such rule. You can only ask it again, when you receive 6 changing lines. You may also ask it in a different way. However, in that case it is just best that you wait for an extra day to ensure accurate reading. You may use different approach to ask, it is true. However, the way she ask the second question is exactly as the first. Also, it seems like she doesn't trust the first reading at all, therefore she toss out a second. There are many ways of doing i-ching. One must match with the date and time, or else you won't make an accurate proceedings. Here are the rules in Chinese. In the very last line, you can't make the yi-ching toss on the same question in a short period of time, unless you believe there is a change to your circumstance.
一、預期心態的涵攝
二、思路不清的涵攝
1. 不曾思索過所占卜事件的有關任何答案
2. 占卜前一段時間,大腦並無受外界任何壓力所壓迫或驚嚇
3. 腦力精神正常者
4. 能脫離現在空時點而靈思未來時點者
5. 大腦決不能在睡眠或半睡眠狀態
6. 大腦僅能存在占卜該事件的靈思而不能容許有關任何雜念的存在
三、判斷錯誤的涵攝
1.不要連續占三卦以上
四、隱晦象意的涵攝
1.同一支卦短時間內不可以重占
 
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It doesn't state that, actually.

Wilhelm on Hex 8...

HOLDING TOGETHER brings good fortune.
Inquire of the oracle once again
Whether you possess sublimity, constancy, and perseverance;
Then there is no blame.
Those who are uncertain gradually join.
Whoever come too late
Meets with misfortune.

:bows:
 

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Wilhelm on Hex 8...

HOLDING TOGETHER brings good fortune.
Inquire of the oracle once again
Whether you possess sublimity, constancy, and perseverance;
Then there is no blame.
Those who are uncertain gradually join.
Whoever come too late
Meets with misfortune.

:bows:

Thats Wilhelms interpetation..whether its a literal instruction to ask again in the original chinese i don't know but from what I've learned here, (recalling a blog post of Hilarys I'll post link to if i find) it is more a case of considering the foundation of the question, what made one ask the question, looking at the root of the question...rather than actually asking again

In any case I don't generally take it as a direct instruction to ask ask again literally, thats just some peoples opinion.
 

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Hi again,

I asked the IC whether F sees me as their soul mate? and I got Hex 8 unchanging.

If F considers a soul mate to be a supportive, cooperative person, a person who has the same ideals and values. a person with much the same goals, then the answer would be yes.

So, your next question would be whether you will have a romantic relationship with F.

And you can inquire any time that you want to, as there are no rules of any kind as to the timing of a question.
 

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