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Hexagram 12 to 35 - Another career question

scarlettgirl

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A short time ago, I had asked what would I have to do to achieve a career that is a dream I've been working towards and really understand that answer. But I wanted to know what the current situation involving this career for me was at present. The reply was hexagram 12, line 5 changing into hexagram 35.

I think that this is telling me that everything has been pretty much stagnant for me to this point but that things are changing for the better. I would like to hear others' thoughts on my interpretation. Thanks. :)
 
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Hi Scarletgirl

Just in case the comment could be useful

The Yijing is not an automathic thing. It is more like: "Ah, you are in Rome (12). Do you want visit Paris (35)? Then you need to take train number 5". Of course, if you miss the train, you won't see the Eiffel Tower.

In order to walk from stagnation to progress, you need to understand, learn and achieve the lesson on line 12.5.

Best wishes
 

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I wanted to know what the current situation involving this career for me was at present. The reply was hexagram 12, line 5 changing into hexagram 35.

Line 12.5 indicates the times are a changing, and so is the situation with your new career, so just concentrate on achieving but don't worry about the end game. This all leads to Hex 35, so what you do now will have great bearing on your future, because 35 is progress and progress will earn its own rewards.

So, your new career is starting to grow, so tend to it well.
 

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Hi jesed,
and thank for the useful post! Your example make things easy to understand!!
But the question is what 's the lesson behind the line 12.5. I honestly spend years to wonder this critical for my life question! I received that answer when I asked what a certain man, I was related to years ago, represents in my life!
 
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what 's the lesson behind the line 12.5.
Ah... that tricky line, isn´t?

Yijing says: Good fortune for the noble. First thing to examinate: does the consultant is noble or not?

Yijing says: The place is correct. Second thing to examinate: does the consultant is firm rooted in the situation or not? Does his/her intents are fair and correct?

Yijing says: This passes, that passes (I'm following Bradford for this translation) Third thing to examinate: this is not a fixed omen, but a flexible one. What measures is taking the consultant to achieve a solid ground for renovation?

The cause of line 12.5 is described in 5.5: Wait with wine and food. Perseverance brings good fortune. Fourth thing to examinate: There ia a HUGE diference between waiting in confidence and neglect your duties. The best omen won't assure anything to negligence.

The effect when you achieve the lesson in line 12.5 is described in 35.5
Remorse disappears. Take not gain and loss to heart. Undertakings bring good fortune. Everything serves to further. It is not only the correct position, but to actually undertake the action what brings good fortune.

Therefore, an stagnated situation can be turned into new progress IF there is noblety, rightness, and caution to avoid any kind of neglicence. In that case, the previous period of wait leads to a time to undertake action to actually correct and improve the situation.

That's why I said this i not an authomatic thing.

Best wishes
 

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That's why I said this is not an automatic thing.

Stephen Karcher says: "If you are fighting the obstruction, it is time to let it go." He calls this: "Relinquishing the Obstruction." He seems to be saying to tie the obstruction to a tree and leave the situation.

Sarah Dening's translation says that even though things are improving, don't assume anything, because there's still a possibility that things could go wrong. She says to pay attention to details and make your position secure. She even says: "You can be instrumental in bringing about a radical change for the better."

I have often wondered whether we must leave a H12 situation completely in order to overcome the condition of stagnation. That's still an open question in my mind.

There is some kind of effort involved in line 12.5, as Jesed noted above. You might ask a second question of Yi, for example: "What effort do I need to make so that things will continue to get better?"

When we get mysterious lines, I always think it's a good idea to ask a second question. The text mentions mulberry trees. Tell you the truth, I don't think I've ever seen a mulberry tree and I don't know what the custom means, to tie something to a mulberry tree or to bind up a mulberry tree. But I think Yi will tell us what the meaning is if we're willing to ask another question.
 

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Seedlings into Trees

Stephen Karcher says: "If you are fighting the obstruction, it is time to let it go." He calls this: "Relinquishing the Obstruction." He seems to be saying to tie the obstruction to a tree and leave the situation.

Sarah Dening's translation says that even though things are improving, don't assume anything, because there's still a possibility that things could go wrong. She says to pay attention to details and make your position secure. She even says: "You can be instrumental in bringing about a radical change for the better."

The text mentions mulberry trees. Tell you the truth, I don't think I've ever seen a mulberry tree and I don't know what the custom means, to tie something to a mulberry tree or to bind up a mulberry tree. But I think Yi will tell us what the meaning is if we're willing to ask another question.

Bradford Hatcher's take on the "mulberry seedlings" is that there are several ways they can pass, but that you want them to "pass" by growing out of the seedling stage and having no need anymore to be carefully tied and staked. The things tied to them are provisional during their early growth, like stakes on a plant. You are easing out of the obstruction, and that will pass, just as seedlings are one day no longer staked, after the seedling are carefully nurtured and become self-sustaining. For now, you are still staking and nurturing your plans and ideas, but that will not always be the case.

Tiger
 

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Considering your thoughts, Jesed, Ginnie and Tiger the only thing that can come in my mind regarding my question, is that at that time I was totally convinced that he was THE man in my life. And it turn out to be a man that marked my life severely!! And he disappeared!
But my question is for the present and the only lesson I can get is the negligence that Jesed mentioned. I was sure to my very core that eventually we would be together that I never thought that I should protect my self, examine my feelings, and holding on till some evidence of his feelings would be apparent. Wilhelm says: "When a mulberry bush is cut down, a number of unusually strong shoots sprout from the roots. Hence the image of tying something to a cluster of mulberry shoots is used to symbolize the way of making success certain. Kongfu (Kongfu (Confucius)) says about this line:
Danger arises when a man feels secure in his position. Destruction threatens when a man seeks to preserve his worldly estate. Confusion develops when a man has put everything in order. Therefore the superior man doesn't forget danger in his security, nor ruin when he's well established, nor confusion when his affairs are in order. In this way he gains personal safety and is able to protect the empire. "
Back to the present now Jesed 's answer seems to describe all the work that I have to do in order to bring my everyday life in order OR you can see it as step guide to accomplice a healthy relationship. :))))) Sorry but that just come in to my mind and fits perfectly!! There it is my lesson then!!
Thank you guys for the inspiration and your time!!!

But I wanted to say a HUGE THANK You to Jesed caused he/she helped me a lot about a year ago realize a situation. I have to tell you , you were right in everything. I tried to inform you but your inbox was full. Thank you and wish you all the best!!!
 
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Hi viviank

1.- I am a "he" LOL

2.- I thought that answers was years ago, not in the present. There is a nuance: Do you still feel any kind remorse about this man? If you do, acting with noblety, rightness and diligence may lead you to vanish that remorse. That is the final station you may want to travel, right?

Best wishes
 

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The answer from I Ching is at present! But the question lies in my mind for years! And the only remorse I feel is that I took loss to heart. That is my final station to learn to take life as it comes ...
P.S. I prefer the "he" ;)
 

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But the question is what 's the lesson behind the line 12.5. I honestly spend years to wonder this critical for my life question! I received that answer when I asked what a certain man, I was related to years ago, represents in my life!

The lesson is not to take anything for granted. Life does not owe us anything. Just because things look like they are getting better, the whole situation might reverse and get bad again. One must be aware that things could go either way.

That's why I suggested you ask Yi if there is anything you could do to ensure the improvement of your job situation. Is there any effort you could make to end the stagnation? :)
 

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at that time I was totally convinced that he was THE man in my life. And it turn out to be a man that marked my life severely!! And he disappeared!

They say Love is blind. Good thing we have the I Ching. The I Ching is not blind.
 

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