hexagram 12

[Trojina]

FWIW it might be experienced like in this situation ;

Several or many people may be involved in a situation, a workplace for example. Perhaps the practises in the work place become corrupted and 'small men' come to be in power when new owners take over the business. The existing workforce who had integrity, honesty and service as their core values in performing their work find they are blocked at every turn and are often overlooked or deliberately ignored whilst those who want to just make a quick buck are promoted. In 12 the good people don't win honours remember

There begins in this situation to develop a kind of underground root system....a bit like a resistance movement in the war. Its not deliberate or conscious, its underground, but it is there nonetheless on a feeling level. One by one each of these people leave the work place and as one leaves its like an invisible thread pulls the other behind him...until they may find they are gathered together again away from the corrupt workplace....still connected. They carried the value with them in their withdrawal, in saying 'no'...and perhaps something quite new is born (25.1 ?)

I have seen this happen. At first it looks like everyone leaves a place and all are seperated...but there is a 'root system' carrying the 'correctness' of 25, it can't be destroyed,,,it spontaneous, it can reappear. So in 12.1 theres lots of organic connections there and all is not lost though it may appear so on the surface. I feel perhaps the 25 reflects this is entirely a natural process, not pre planned...as in 'birds of a feather flock together' or maybe theres a larger process/intelligence running through the 12 situation that gathers these connections, like roots, intrinsically connected to safeguard future growth towards integrity again.

 

[answeredquestions]

So you see the root system as good overall? It is the link to the 'good people' you speak of?
拔茅茹 - to pull out the entangled roots of grass ..
以其彙 - by means of the same kind of people. ...

 

[Trojina]

well good/bad it all depends on the question doesn't it but in general I feel 12.1 is about a supportive underground root system yes...


I think I've always experienced it as quite a subtle line so I guess I can't point to any thing in a very certain way and say 'it meant that'....

I just checked Hilarys book and she sees the roots as a 'tangled web of issues' so thats quite a different thing

In all liklihood it could be both ?

dunno really


Perhaps some other peoples experiences might help ? How have you experienced 12.1 ?

 

[bradford]

You've heard of grassroots rebellions?

 

[answeredquestions]

You've heard of grassroots rebellions?

Activists, yes. Hrm...
The act of pulling out the roots 拔 ...

I wonder if it where just one person, can they alone create a rebellion against all those roots..
I should probably start a Reading Circle Thread..

 

[charly]

Chingching, I think a lot of what you're saying is reflected in the nuclear hexagram of 12. The heart of it might just be an occasion to grow roots into the rocks, or marry into your whole life.

Hi, Hilary:

Growing roots into the rock!
OF COURSE!

See the bai mao of H.12 (Imperata Cylindrica / Cogon Grass) piercing a radioactive water hose at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant in 2011.

Gentle but penetrating.

Experiments conducted by TEPCO confirmed that sharp and pointed buds of cogon grass (Imperata cylindrica) penetrated the four-layered structure of the hose surface. Buds that penetrated the hoses likely died and fell out of the hoses, generating the water leakages, TEPCO officials said.

Source: Grass blamed for holes in Fukushima water hoses
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201202100007

否 pi3 is said to be NOT over a MOUTH but also can be a ROOT piercing a STONE.

ROOT is a phallic euphemism and STONE is the emblem of the GODDESS.

Say, like in the hex. structure, the MALE PRINCIPLE / HEAVEN is placed over the FEMALE PRINCIPLE / EARTH.

Of course, arriving at the sixth line we are said that it will be temporary, patriarchy is not eternal, matriarchy will return, but that's another story.


All the best,


Charly

 

[meng]

Yet it is unclear to me what 12.1's advice is. I get this picture of someone pulling pulling pulling and more and more connected roots and weeds appear. Like someone is trying to mend something and they didn't realize that so much was connected to it (or that it contained so much) and a lot of effort will be needed. If I understand 12 correctly, the constancy/determination/perserverance (貞 to remain loyal to?) in line 1 would be to continue in the saying no process?

I was wondering if anyone has a clear idea of the process for line 1?

Clear as in absolute, no, but clear as in an image I can personally relate to, yes.

If I roll up rows of sod, it remains alive until I plant them where I want them. 11.1

If I grab bunches of weeds, I separate them from the beneficial growth, without attempts to sustain its life. 12.1

Also, union creates life; life creates death. But it's not as though nature favors one over the other; everything at the proper time.

 

[li chien]

I used to work with a really laid back guy in a company that had recently been taken over by a bunch of Nazis... He used to say to me " bend like a reed in the wind"... Only here I feel like the reed's job is to let go rather than bend. Roots provide structural anchoring and also are our opportunities for traditional nourishment.

Does hex 12 say you are a reed in the wrong place. One of the prices we pay for aiming to be more in tune with our superiors is the price of separation... from our old self and our everyday ways of comfortably accommodating our lower nature.

Engaging in change towards some higher sense of self ultimately requires some sacrifice of our old comfortable maybe less ideal selves. Is hex 12 the point in the cycle where we learn we need to let go of our old place in the earth and with sufficient soil around our roots we can replant ourselves into newer more appropriate and more fertile landscape.

Are we the reed or indeed a weed. A definition of a weed is a plant out of place. By modifying our perspective we can ultimately become foreign to our old life. Not fake because we are more true to ourselves just foreign to our old selves. Then if we let go we can move on but not till we let go of our old ways. The hard part is letting go of the old land.

Graham.

 

[charly]

Activists, yes. Hrm...
The act of pulling out the roots 拔 ...

I wonder if it where just one person, can they alone create a rebellion against all those roots..
I should probably start a Reading Circle Thread..

Dear Courtney:

Thank for the thanks.
When one person tries to bring to the surface entangled roots, he faces much resistance. Maybe a person could not suceed if no whith assistance of the LITTLES like happens in the old russian tale of the GIANT TULIP whose advice is SUM FORCES.

​

In one modern version the turnip can be got out from earth only by efforts together: by grandfather, grandmother, granddaughter, dog, cat and mouse that pull each other.

SOURCE: http://selffounder.blogspot.com.ar/2011/12/tale-giant-turnip-or-enormous-turnip.html

The mouse was decissive in pulling the turnip out.


All the best,


Charly

P.D.:
Not the first time that I found the story in the Changes:

... The mouse took hold of the cat, the cat took hold of the dog, the dog took hold of the granddaughter, the granddaughter took hold of the old woman, the old woman took hold of the old man, the old man took hold of the turnip, they pulled and pulled--and finally--out came the turnip!
...
Source:
http://www.storiestogrowby.com/stories/turnip_russia.html

Ch.

 

[butterfly spider]

I have been feeling incredibly positive about my life in the past fee days and yesterday for the first time in about 2 years realised that it is OK to be selfish and say 'no' to people or situations that are detrimental to me Things are not exactly tiketiboo but I have stepped back and am readjusting my priorities.

I asked the I Ching what is making me feel more grounded - and why I am feeling positive ....

I cast 12.1 and 6. To 17

Bradford notion of heaven and earth separating and Hilary's tangled weeds make sense.
I have said no - not because I am being selfish or a dreadful mum etc but because I need to move away from what is a tangled situation.

It is interesting that this casting has come up regarding separation from children in other threads. Even getting moving lines 1 and 6 feels like separation. I note that it is not a permanent state just that it needs adjustment

Just thought this might help others who get hex 12

 

[Trojina]

It is also saying that one moves through the time of 12 through following where one is naturally guided.

With lines 1 and 6 moving the whole of 12 is 'got through' by 17ing. So maybe saying 'no' is also allowing a bigger 'yes' to come through. You get through the 12 time by hearing/feeling/following your own natural inclinations about what star to follow ?

 

[bradford]

I have been feeling incredibly positive about my life in the past fee days and yesterday for the first time in about 2 years realised that it is OK to be selfish and say 'no' to people or situations that are detrimental to me Things are not exactly tiketiboo but I have stepped back and am readjusting my priorities.

This is a good understanding of 12. One of the main meanings of the title word Pi is no or not.
Nietzsche once wrote: Looking aside- let that be my sole negation.
The trick is simply saying No, without getting needlessly agitated.