hexagram 16 no changing lines good?

[zelion]

the six line is warning me to do just what is possible, so when we have the coffe just be nice, not trying to talk about hard issues with her I need to be cautious, step by step...

Right?

 

[zelion]

So it seems that when I was asking about seeing her (the one I love, not her friend) in the first questions, as far as I was thinking in "chasing" her going to the club she works,the Yi told me that was NOT the way to go, but as soon a I change the question to a simple meeting with her out of the night life, the Yi encouraged me to do so...

So it was extremely simple, but at first I didn't get the point just because when asking the iching, i wasn't thinking in the simplest thing of all... because I was a little bit out of my mind and desperate with so much tension whitin...

So, as some of you already told me, the key here is to ask the right questions to the Yi.

I hope this also helps to other people in similar situations...

Best for all

 

[heylise]

Good thread.. Shows that sometimes the questions are more important than the answers. Getting the steam off the kettle, asking and talking until the mind relaxes enough to see.

Good luck Zelion!

LiSe

 

[heylise]

Hello LiSe,

linking 16 with cheating is rather new for me, could you please explain it in greater detail ?
I looked in your wonderful site but still I don't get it...

Thanks
Bashir

I think she refers to exaggeration, such as a magician/illusionist might use. One hand gets the attention while the trick is performed with the other unnoticed hand. There is also the hype up of emotion, drum rolls and cymbals crash! I see this as a significant aspect of 16. But as well, it can be very real. The sense of not knowing, the intrigue, is all part of the thrill: like when my long deceased grandmother visits me, is she really here?

Yes, I think it is very much like Bruce says.

The meaning 'cheating' comes from Chinese-English dictionaries: Yù: enthusiasm; in advance, beforehand, make or get ready; participate in; pleased, content, happy, comfort; travel, a trip; to cheat, lie, hesitate, indecision.

I was surprised as well when I saw it the first time. But when you look more to the overall meaning of all those possible translations, it makes sense. They have all something to do with an emotional reaction to images. Something happens, or is going to happen, and in your mind an image of it is created. You react with enthusiasm, look forward to it, prepare. You participate in something when it affects you, not when it leaves you cold. Travelling is all about images, "sightseeing". A lie or cheating is making an image, but this time a fake one. Indecision is being caught between two things which both affect you.

The ideogram is "image" and shuttle, weaving images.

LiSe

 

[zelion]

Good thread.. Shows that sometimes the questions are more important than the answers. Getting the steam off the kettle, asking and talking until the mind relaxes enough to see.

Good luck Zelion!

LiSe

Thanks Lise, btw I had text her with the coffe invitation, and I had no reply, even with the good Yi answer encouraging me... but I had a powerful insight when , after two days with no answer form her, I started a very powerful conversation to the oracle instead of simple questions...:

First I asked:

Why she does not reply me? Hex 43

Then I asked, What can I do for being able to talk with she? Hex 27.5 to 42

I need to "nourish", but I'm too involved emotionally so I cannot advance I also need the help from a simple sage... Again the need to reach for help from friends of her...


So, How can I know or find the one able to help me? Hex 4.5 to 64

Learn with the curiosity and innocence of a child, This brings connections with others...

Suddenly I realized everthing the Yi was trying to tell me all the time!!

If I asked about a simple text message, no matter it would bot habe been replied, the Yi encouraged me because it was not hard talk, it was not me chasing her, it was me acting like everything's ok, with innocence! So I realized I should call her friend, but when asked the Yi a few days ago, the oracle told me NOT to do so, but because I was talking about reaching that friend for asking for serious help, but what I really needed to do, was just calling her with innocence, just asking for simple staff, and a little bit oh btw, did you know something about your friend, I dont know nothing about her, she should really be busy these days! All the words with innocence, just as asking about someone you care, but not someone you are dying for to reach...

After my little conversation over the phone with her friend, I asked the Yi:

Ok, so my conversation with that friend of her, its actually gonna help me out? Hex 15.2 to 46

Advancement!

And finally, I asked the Yi:

Ok, what's the next step for advancement? Hex 32.1.5.6 to 1

Really funny, the Yi seems to tell me relax!!!!!

So, I just wanted to share this with al of you, btw, I'll keep you all up to date about my progress in this... while we all learn a little bit more of the Yi.

Thanks all for being there...

 

[zelion]

Following the conversation with the oracle regarding my potential love...

Should I go to se her? Or should I remain "invisible"?
Hex 36.2.3.5.6 to Hex 61

and then I asked:

What's gonna happen if I don't go to se her?
Hex 26.4.6 to 14

It sems a really good idea not going to see her, indeed it seems this is the way to "heaven", heaven for me is to reach her heart... and maybe she realizes somethings happening when , again,today I'm not there again.

Let's see what happens next...

 

[zelion]

Following the conversation with the oracle... ------------------------------------
It seems that something happened in my "retreat" time, specially over the weekend. something that's going to help me with this, maybe its just the fact that now she changed her idea of me ...maybe she never realized I used to go to the club she works just for seeing her until now or maybe the friend of her I called has got time to get in touch with her and told her to give me a try... who knows...
It's been already a long time since I didn't go to see her, neither call her, so I asked the Yi:
Should I try to call her tomorrow?
Hex 9.4 to 1
Sure I'll do!
I also asked, What she thinks of me? How she sees me?

Hex 35 unchanging lines

 

[chuangzu]

According to R.L.Wing's I Ching Workbook, Hexagram 16 unchanging says:
"Without change your need to Harmonize is vital. Obey your inner voice if you wish to behave correctly in the current situation. If there is a decision to be made, surrender to the impulses of your true nature. Choose the path of least resistance. Move with the rhythm of the moment. In this way you will be relieved of tensions and open to inspired accord with the cosmos.

 

[Liselle]

Chuangzu, just so you don't wait in vain, Zelion started this thread in 2007 and hasn't visited Clarity since 2015. It's unlikely he'll see your message.

 

[IrfanK]

Chuangzu, just so you don't wait in vain, Zelion started this thread in 2007 and hasn't visited Clarity since 2015. It's unlikely he'll see your message.

I was just going to say! Either nothing came of it, or they have grandchildren on their knees by now!

 

[Trojina]

I don't know why people are still doing this, replying to 15 year old threads when Hilary has a banner come up now saying 'warning this is an old thread the querant may not see it' or words to that effect. That banner comes up when an old thread is opened which surely would be a warning to check the date before replying?