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I matched with a very cute girl on tinder and I've told her and I backed away by saying something like "whoops! wrong window" and I nervously cast an hexagram to know what it'll do.

Hexagram 22 1.2.3.4.5.6 > 47

All lines were changing! I often get unchanging hexs but I almost never get all lines changing even if statistically you have as much chances as getting one or the other. Last time I got all lines changing was hex 50 and I ended up going out with the girl(which never happens). I know getting all 9's or all 6's have special meanings but what about other hexs?
 
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ve told her and I backed away by saying something like "whoops! wrong window" and I nervously cast an hexagram to know what it'll do.
I guess I don't really understand your question - and maybe not the technology either? To me it sounds like you're saying you rejected someone on an internet dating app, and now you're wondering how they'll respond?

If you can clarity what you mean, that would be helpful, at least for me.
 

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I guess I don't really understand your question - and maybe not the technology either? To me it sounds like you're saying you rejected someone on an internet dating app, and now you're wondering how they'll respond?

If you can clarity what you mean, that would be helpful, at least for me.

What happened is that I matched with this girl on tinder and she didn't respond to my first message yet. I sent her a compliment but I thought this might have come off as needy or weak so I backed away by pretending I had wrote to the wrong person by accident.

I wanted to know if this would have the desired effect or if she would see through my bs
 

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Yep. This seems to be the response, or maybe she said, 'hmm, he's not interested in me, so I'm going to look for someone who is'.
You don't get the tinder environment. The one who cares the least wins. Millenials are messed up in the head. If you show interest, it's game over you're a thirsty looser. The truth is that she is absolutely stunning and I WANT HER
 
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Vagabond, you are exactly right, I don't know anything about Tinder. But I don't think the reading is about that. I think it's about you, and how you present yourself - and the adornments, or make-up, or b.s. you use to do so.

Here I think the Yi might be saying, 'how your presenting yourself - like on a dating app - is all wrong', and I'd guess it's pretty exhausting for you and maybe not very fruitful?

The Yi also says ' ... having the words is not the conviction ...' which for me means you might want to try approaching this with more than empty words, or make-believe, or confusing, contradictory messages, and instead maybe try something that's more honest and real - something that's not based on BS-ing yourself and others.

... that she is absolutely stunning and I WANT HER ....
And so do you really think that bs-ing her, and rejecting her, and playing games with her is what the Yi is advising you here?
 
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I agree. It does exhausts me to be in this superficial environment, the dating scene. Like if you just say "Hey! how are you?" You're gonna get blocked because it's "boring" and you need to have fire juggling pandas on unicycles as an opener to "stand out". Honestly, if it takes so much nonsense to get her to even respond why swipe me right in the first place? I hate to have to do this honestly and it's probably a bad idea to do this kind of games when I could keep my focus on those I can approach without having to do the whole circus. It would probably be a more meaningful encounter if starting with just "Hi" is enough.

And so do you really think that bs-ing her, and rejecting her, and playing games with her is what the Yi is advising you here?
Girls I respect and treat right put me in the friend-zone because I'm so nice. Girls I treat like garbage text me desperately. If I could find a girl that likes being treated well and appreciates how much I care for her that'd be a nice change of pace in my opinion. I'm sick and tired of this bizarro world where things only works backwards...
 
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It does exhausts me to be in this superficial environment ....
So, just decide to not be in it anymore!

But really - and I don't say this to be mean - when you tell me that you absolutely must have someone because they are STUNNING - and not because you actually know them and like who they are, or that they are even remotely interested in you, or that you even have something / anything in common - I can't help but wonder, who's zoomin' who here! E.g. what you said sounds pretty superficial to me!

D.
 

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you need to have fire juggling pandas on unicycles as an opener to "stand out".

The longer that you live,
the more you will realize that people who are impressed by such things.....
are not worth having.
(mostly because it is about their vanity, and which of their friends you will impress.)

There is some truth to the statement that chicks dig jerks. But it is only some of them, and they are not worth inviting into your life.
 
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It does exhausts me to be in this superficial environment
22.1.2.3.4.5.6 > 47
This superficial environment (22) is causing you exhaustion (47). Or this superficial environment, or her beauty, is now exhausted, imprisoned, confined.
 

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The longer that you live,
the more you will realize that people who are impressed by such things.....
are not worth having.
(mostly because it is about their vanity, and which of their friends you will impress.)

There is some truth to the statement that chicks dig jerks. But it is only some of them, and they are not worth inviting into your life.
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yeah, absolutely. How solipsistic do you have to be to think that men have to entertain and impress you and for what? In MGTOW circles there's often video analyzing the thoughts of suck girls that have nothing to offer but their looks and demands an insane amount of things from the men they date and when asked what they'll provide to the relationship all they have to say is "Well, me! What else do you need!" It sounds like a potted plant to be honest, just more expensive and annoying...
 
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What else do you need!" It sounds like a potted plant to be honest, just more expensive and annoying...
Vagabond, I've given you my sense of the reading, as have others here. But it seems you keep falling back to a response and way of thinking that's based on internet BS.

Simply put - if you don't like playing the game, or you don't think it's worth it, then don't keep playing the game! But you keep acting more like a gambling addict: "I know I shouldn't do this, but I can't help myself - and I'll keep chasing after people who are not really interested in me, and I'll keep blaming them for my failures!'

For example, what the MGTOW community is saying is nonsense, but for some reason it is what you keep returning to for answers.

Believe me, I know all too well what it's like to be tossed about by my own desires! - I wasted a lot of time in my lift chasing after people who were either not interested me or were not good for me - and at the same time, I also spent a lot of time ignoring people who were interested and better for me.

So, maybe it's just a question of time, and experience before you might consider what the Yi and what we are saying here.

Best, D
 
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Hi vagabond303,

this reading is about beauty. Maybe the girl's beauty, maybe your own way to behave. The lines of this reading also talk about wooing, and also having suitors.

22 and 47 belong together, as they are opposite hexagrams. In 22 there is an outward shining. In 47, you are confined, up to yourself.

You are writing about a conflict: You are attracted by some girl's beauty, but you are not sure if you are attractive enough. I think the 22 reading gives you a general advice: Your small roll of silk will be good enough (if your intentions are honest). And all these lines are good to meditate on - about your own beauty as well, about being elegant, and beautiful, and well-mannered.

All these changing lines might say that things will change completely, or that it is you who will change completely, or who needs to change. I think that it is 47 which shows you a way out: to meditate, to stay within yourself, to calm down, to see your confinement. Be your own person. Then there is no need to try and manipulate someone.

All the best
Mandarine
 

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Hi vagabond303,

this reading is about beauty. Maybe the girl's beauty, maybe your own way to behave. The lines of this reading also talk about wooing, and also having suitors.

22 and 47 belong together, as they are opposite hexagrams. In 22 there is an outward shining. In 47, you are confined, up to yourself.

You are writing about a conflict: You are attracted by some girl's beauty, but you are not sure if you are attractive enough. I think the 22 reading gives you a general advice: Your small roll of silk will be good enough (if your intentions are honest). And all these lines are good to meditate on - about your own beauty as well, about being elegant, and beautiful, and well-mannered.

All these changing lines might say that things will change completely, or that it is you who will change completely, or who needs to change. I think that it is 47 which shows you a way out: to meditate, to stay within yourself, to calm down, to see your confinement. Be your own person. Then there is no need to try and manipulate someone.

All the best
Mandarine
Vagabond, I've given you my sense of the reading, as have others here. But it seems you keep falling back to a response and way of thinking that's based on internet BS.

Simply put - if you don't like playing the game, or you don't think it's worth it, then don't keep playing the game! But you keep acting more like a gambling addict: "I know I shouldn't do this, but I can't help myself - and I'll keep chasing after people who are not really interested in me, and I'll keep blaming them for my failures!'

For example, what the MGTOW community is saying is nonsense, but for some reason it is what you keep returning to for answers.

Believe me, I know all too well what it's like to be tossed about by my own desires! - I wasted a lot of time in my lift chasing after people who were either not interested me or were not good for me - and at the same time, I also spent a lot of time ignoring people who were interested and better for me.

So, maybe it's just a question of time, and experience before you might consider what the Yi and what we are saying here.

Best, D

You're both right. My insecurities both play a huge role in this and to be honest, there's a woman in my life that's not the most attractive but the time I've spent with her was more valuable and much better for my soul than it would have been with the girl I've matched with. If I look beyond appearances I'm much happier and fulfilled with that other girl. She's the better person and I should think those matter through because I might loose a really good chick that'll allow me to have the kind of relationship I want.


Whatt about hexs with all lines changing though? Besisdes 1 and 2, do any of those have special meanings? There's this website https://www.3rdmilieux.com/pathfinder.html that has a bit of text regarding unchanging and all lines changing hex but aside for that there isn't much info. I'm thinking about those who might want to know about these all lines changing hexagrams that might want to know how they work. My question is pretty much answered at this point so maybe recycle the thread and stuff.
 

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Thanks vagabond303!

So you see real beauty in your real friend. Good.

Whatt about hexs with all lines changing though? Besisdes 1 and 2, do any of those have special meanings?

All lines changing is an interesting question. I once got it, when I was asking if I should leave a society I was a member of, as the president of this society, a very difficult person I had known already in other circumstances, subtly bullied me. I got 43 all line changing to 23. The 43 was interesting in this case, very suitable, how to get rid of negativity, but it really was the relating 23 which applied: Time will do, it said, times will change, and time did change. I didn't leave, but just made it very clear, in my way, that I didn't want to be discriminated. The president has been all right since then, and the whole situation begun to change from the bad to the better. This was before the Corona quarantaine!

So all line changings - could well be such thing as a seasonal, deeper change. However, this is just a clue.
 

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Whatt about hexs with all lines changing though?
All lines change because that is the only way to derive that 2nd hex.
Otherwise there is no special signifigance.
(other than creating the Opposite hex)
At. All. Wipe your mind clean of any notion that says otherwise.

Besisdes 1 and 2, do any of those have special meanings?

By 'special meanings' you meant to say
'special text' like in 1 and 2.
Our book is unfinished,
the special text of 1 and 2 is a hint on how to understand readings with multiple lines.
(we need thousands more special texts)

The sentence thingy here, with 22 > 47
says: Beauty Fades
or using a phrase from western culture:
sic gloria transit

22 alone is advice to look deeper than you are seeing, in order to see substance.
Here, it is coupled with a picture of a dried up lake.
 
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Whatt about hexs with all lines changing though? Besisdes 1 and 2, do any of those have special meanings?
The response you get is the response you get. It is much less common to have many or all lines moving, when compared to only a few or no lines moving - but don't let that distract you from the answer and it's meaning!

One teacher I know looks at the moving lines as places in the reading that are 'lit up' or need attention- which is kind of how we treat them anyway when we read the lines and look at the resulting hexagram.

But he feels having many or all moving lines can be a sign that things are in need of a great deal of attention, or that something is way off base, perhaps like: 'you really need to change your thinking - or approach or actions - here!'

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I was tried of waiting for a response from her and I assumed she never would so I juste unmatched her and moved on with my life. There's not shortage of good looking ladies so it's just a waste of my emotional resources to even pay attention to someone who has so little respect for other people like this. I've been approached by other girls elsewhere and I'm more interested in them in general because at least we're having an interaction. Unlike this tinder girl who just mass matches with guys and leave them hanging to feel like she's important. When you think about it, a dried up lake is pretty much the shallowest body of water possible lol
 
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When you think about it, a dried up lake is pretty much the shallowest body of water possible lol
I do not think you are getting the message here.

The dried up lake is not this girl and really has nothing to do with this girl, but it is about your attitude and how you're going about this whole thing - like how you say you want something that is not superfical, but then demanding that a girl pay attention to you just because you fnd her 'stunning' - and that she should message you even when you told her you're not interested in her! But maybe this is something you'll only be able to learn with time ....

To continue to put here down is part of what is draining. And because she wasn't attracted to you and doesn't want to play your games is not what the Yi is pointing to as the problem.

Consider too, with Tinder they think that 50-75% of the people on there are already with someone, and that a third of the men are married! Add to this that only about 20% of the women ever respond to someone they're matched with, and only about 7% of the men do! So, even setting aside how shallow your own approach seems to be, you are pretty much in an environment that treats dating and connection with others like a game show!

But for you to continue to take part in it, and then be pissed at the results, well .... that seems to be the drained lake, and it has nothing to do with the cute women. And have you considered another dating app, maybe one that's based on compatability and shared interests, and not mainly on looks?

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I do not think you are getting the message here.

The dried up lake is not this girl and really has nothing to do with this girl, but it is about your attitude and how you're going about this whole thing - like how you say you want something that is not superfical, but then demanding that a girl pay attention to you just because you fnd her 'stunning' - and that she should message you even when you told her you're not interested in her! But maybe this is something you'll only be able to learn with time ....

To continue to put here down is part of what is draining. And because she wasn't attracted to you and doesn't want to play your games is not what the Yi is pointing to as the problem.

Consider too, with Tinder they think that 50-75% of the people on there are already with someone, and that a third of the men are married! Add to this that only about 20% of the women ever respond to someone they're matched with, and only about 7% of the men do! So, even setting aside how shallow your own approach seems to be, you are pretty much in an environment that treats dating and connection with others like a game show!

But for you to continue to take part in it, and then be pissed at the results, well .... that seems to be the drained lake, and it has nothing to do with the cute women. And have you considered another dating app, maybe one that's based on compatability and shared interests, and not mainly on looks?

d.

I'm gonna stop responding to this thread because you're interpreting my words and the situation however you feel like and are building this strawman so you can attack it. Who hurt you?
 
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because you're interpreting my words and the situation however you feel like and are building this strawman so you can attack it. Who hurt you?
Yes, I am 'interpreting' your words because that's what we do when we read what someone else has written. But if you feel I am misinterpreting - or not understanding what you said' please feel free to correct me.

I am trying to say that I don't think the issue is about this woman or what you think she's done, or about tinder, or what the MGTOW community says or thinks - and it certainly has nothing to do with my 'hurt', whatever the hell that has to do with it. I think the 'drained lake' is perhaps a great deal closer to home than all that.
 

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Yes, I am 'interpreting' your words because that's what we do when we read what someone else has written. But if you feel I am misinterpreting - or not understanding what you said' please feel free to correct me.

I am trying to say that I don't think the issue is about this woman or what you think she's done, or about tinder, or what the MGTOW community says or thinks - and it certainly has nothing to do with my 'hurt', whatever the hell that has to do with it. I think the 'drained lake' is perhaps a great deal closer to home than all that.
My whole point was that women love, attention and likes compliments but it has to feel like it's earned. If you come off too strong or shower a girl with compliments she'll go away.
 
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My whole point was that women love, attention and likes compliments but it has to feel like it's earned. If you come off too strong or shower a girl with compliments she'll go away.
Vagabond, I apologize if I've come across as too judgemental. You asked a spefiic question - how will this one girl respond to you 'taking back' your compliment of her - and I think you got your answer: she did not respond and did not show any further interest in you.

I guess I've been rambling on because it makes me sad when I hear your beliefs about woman and dating and relationships. Based on the many times I've chased after woman who were not at all interested in me, it feels to me that your beliefs are not only exhausting, but that perhaps they are based on your own fears and hurt - as were mine.

That's my take on it, - and I was thinking the Yi's response might be about a wider view of things - but perhaps I am wrong, or this is not anything you're really interested in.

Regards, D
 

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