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magdalena

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Guys, can I bore you with a very practical matter?

Right, my partner bought a very big old Grade II listed house off his father (long story) which we decided to renovate and live in (the house is very close to my partner's heart as he used to live there as a child and it's the last bit of the family fortune which his father happily spent away to the last penny over the years). It's a massive thing with far too many rooms spread around everywhere and one can get quite lonely there.

Ok, before I get carried away, we are trying to create an open space kitchen/bfast room by extending an opening to the partition wall to give the house a heart and make it more homely. This is really important to both of us (for many reasons) but as it is a listed house the English Herritage is not very happy with the plan and is trying to stop us. I've been worried sick over this and eventually consulted the Yi about it "Will we be able to achieve the desired result with regards to the partition wall" (I felt really bad for the Yi when casting, how can I bore anyone with this) to which I got 23.4 to 35.

Am I right in assuming that we should not hold our hopes high? Once again sorry to bore you with this but it's important....
 
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Hi Magdalena,

I'm going to take the liberty of rearranging your question just a mite, to "How will we be able to etc.." Pinning Yi down to a yes or no can be confusing to decipher.

So the answer to this question becomes about losing something, or seeing behind something, or getting to the core of the matter. The question still remains: stripping what?

Since you seem to be experiencing stress over this matter, my attention goes to line 4, which speaks of losing your resting place. I think it's more likely to be referring to your state of mind rather than the literal place where the house rests, ie: property. Part of this assumption is based on your relating gua 35. You can progress better without this anxiety. In this light, achieving your plans appear to be hopeful.
 

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Thank you Bruce, you see that's where the confusion lies as I'm not sure if the stripping relates to the current plan of literally stripping away the old wall (to create an open space) or to loosing the argument with the English Herritage(and the house with it as my partner mentioned that if we don't get the necessary agreement he might end up just selling it, the wall plan is part of a long list of refurbishment proposals all refused by the council). Perhaps 23 suggests we stop putting pressure on them (the council), i.e. we do not take a leading role, and just see what happens? Line 4 doesn't sound good though...
 
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That's true. Yi could well be saying yes to 'stripping the wall'. Or as your partner says, to lose it and find a place you can model according to your own design.

Wish I could be of more help.

Meanwhile though, deep breaths move blood and air, so remember to breathe.
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That is quite difficult one to interpret -but some ideas... Thanks to Val I tried with fairly defined questions such as yours - to forget the meaning of the moving line and look to the progression from primary to relating hexagram.

I'm glad I tried this view, sometimes it is so accurate and i would have misunderstood with my usual intense focus on the lines. For example a course came up unexpectedly and I wasn't sure whether to do it. Asking Yi I got 25 to 58,so lines 2 and 6 were moving. Line 6 did not look too promising, but the overview 25 to 58 did. I took the course and found it very stimulating.

So with your throw 23 to 35 it could be seen as stripping away leads to great progress.

On the other hand line 4 may mean its not such a good idea to remove this wall anyway, not enough support to do so, in the material structure I mean, though I presume your partner has looked into this.

FWIW my gut feeling is to go with the first option stripping away leads to great progress - you will be able to go ahead with the partition and with good results (maybe 3 visits from a council official, 35, lol)

This is not a boring question because it sounds like it will affect him very deeply if it is his childhood home - sounds lovely anyway.

So I'm going with the positive, but hopefully others will respond if they see it very differently.
 

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As Bruce said your question was kinda geared to a yes or no answer. It might be a good idea to ask again approaching from a slightly different angle ?
 

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Following Bruce's suggestion I'm trying to breathe...
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Void, many thanks for your comment, these were my thoughts as well (or just wishful thinking) Let's hope you are right...
 

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Then again if you keep on getting 23 to different questions (as this came up for stepson) some would say Yi is pointing at something else that affects your whole current life situation.
 
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Hi Magdalena,
I had the same first thought as Void, is the house structurally sound enough to accomodate this remodel? If so then I would next ask are you into feng shui at all? This is the study of how the house energy effects the people who live in it. As it sounds like you are saying that while the house has great sentimental value to your partner, the actual experiences there - the father being a flake, the frustrations with the step son - suggest the house may not be all that great for rasing a family. If that is the case perhaps 23.4 - 35 is saying the project collapses and maybe even requires that you move - which - 35 - may not be a bad thing. You might want to ask the IChing, "What is the feng shui of this house for my family?"
Those considerations out of the way, i would feel 23.4 could be consider to be discribing ripping out a wall and 35 is Progress so I would be optimistic about being able to achieve your goal.

Bruce, they are calling for you over on the I Ching story thread!
 

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Magda...

What Void said... that's what I've been thinking. The Yi could be telling you to prepare for a loss (23) and to be receptive to and accepting of it (2). It could be your job... or some other kind of partnership (35).

If not, the Yi is telling you to definitely forget about tearing down the wall... huh uh... no way... and to accept your partner's son's less-than-loving feelings toward you. It's important as well to let him know that you accept his feelings as valid. You don't have to like that's how he feels, but you have to accept it... and make the best of it (that's the fruit).

Love,

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Rosada...

Dang! Reading isn't your favorite thing to do is it? I've noticed that since you've been on the forum. LOL Reading what Magdalena said about the house, it's quite clear to me that the question about being able to open up the kitchen isn't about feng shui or bad vibes or anything like that. She wrote that it's a listed house in the English Heritage (http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/). That means they will probably have to strictly adhere to the historical design of the house.

And based on what the Yi said to her, if it wasn't talking about something else entirely, there's no walls coming down in that house... the Heritage organization is going to say no-no.

Love,

Val
 

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Out of curiosity (you have different 'rules' in the UK), I input "Grade II listed house" in google to try to get more information, and this is the first entry that came up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_building#Grade_II.2A

Interesting stuff. Thanks for the heads up Magdalena. Any other interesting bits you'd like to offer will be greatly appreciated as well.

Love,

Val
 
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micheline

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I love rosada's bright and insightful posts and her ideas about feng shui make perfect sense in light of wanting to know if it is a good idea to stay or go...try to do a renovation or not
 

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So far I have only seen good readings from Rosada. With humor and compassion.
LiSe
 
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rosada

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Hi Magdalena,

If dealings with the housing people do look to be headed towards a legal struggle, Lillian Too recommends in her book, The New I Ching, that you display a Happy Fat Buddha, who wears a red robe and carries a gold ingot. This is the traditional cure for over coming legal situations and hostile intentions. if you are not into Chinese artifacts, a picture of Santa Claus would also be appropriate, since Santa resembles the happiness Buddha. Lillian Too's site, World of Feng Shui.com or wofs.com has lots of interesting tips on feng shui and the I Ching.

Roz
 
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rosada

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Greetings Val,

Magdalena had asked, "Will we be able to achieve the desired result in regards to the partition wall?" Although her conscious concern was the restrictions of the Heritage foundation, that was not stated in her specific question and many times the IChing will refer to conditions we may not have been aware of anyway. Therefore I felt it was worthwhile to look for other possible meanings behind the answer.

Actually, my friend's consider me to be quite well read. It's my spelling they can't understand...

R.
 
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rosada

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Dear Micheline and LiSe,

Thank you so much for your kind comments. You all have been very tolerant of this new kid on the block and I am so happy to be here and to be able to learn from you.

Thank you,
Rosada
 

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Wow! Guys thank you so much for all this great imput. I agree with Rosada's and Val's comments about looking at the problem from many different directions and I think it is actually a great idea to consult a feng shui expert on the house altogether. Why haven't I thought of that before! I will also ask the Yi about the energy of the house, I think you just hit the nail on the head Rosada with all my fears on the topic. Spot on.
 

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I want to say I regard Rosadas views and input here as valuable and 'correct' as anyone elses.

I regard noone as the ultimate authority on what a reading means.
 

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Good morning from LA Rosada...

You said...

"Although her conscious concern was the restrictions of the Heritage foundation, that was not stated in her specific question..."

Now THAT'S funny! I do agree you do provide a good deal of entertainment to this forum.

Thank you!

Love,

Val
 

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And I think Rosada is great.

Following the general consensus, I asked a more general question about the energy of the house (What is the energy/feng shui of the house?) to which I got hexagram 22.4 to 30. I thought 22 describes the property beautifully as it indeed is graceful and the moving line is exactly what's going on in my head at the moment, do we keep this graceful house with all its complications or do we go for a much more simple solution of selling it and finding a smaller one? Im not sure though in what way "the doubt itself implies the answer"? Can someone shed some light on the moving line and also on hexagram 30?

Also, does anyone know a good feng shui expert?
 
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Magdalena, what an interesting and appropriate answer to this last question. 30 is clarity and beauty and 22 is chi or life energy showing (form).

Here's my own notes on line 4:

When the sea is stirred up,
it stirs also the sand.
The eyes of love don?t notice;
love sees love in everything.
In time the sand settles,
taking its natural place.

This house indeed appears to have a very good vibe, as it is. If you do decide to, and are able to change it, line 4 may be helpful.
 

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I think I agree with Bruce. My initial and fanciful
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thought on this reading was the house is saying "yes please, I'm beautiful, here I am and I'm depending on you just like you're depending on me for this whole renovation/rejuvenation project."

Well I'm not normally that much prone to flights of fancy, but I thought this reading was kinda magical !

I no more think homes are just empty spaces. I used to think so until I fell in love with my current abode to such an extent that I bought it flowers on the anniversary of my moving in
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not because of its spendour or anything like that, but because it fits the needs of my life like a glove - it was like a mini miracle I ever got it.
 

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Come to think of it I do agree with Void that this reading as well as the whole house story is kinda magical.. My partner bought it despite everyone's advice not to and I think he acted on his deep instincts rather than anything. His family history is quite tragic so I was worried about this house. I'm relieved that the Yi hasn't got any major warnings for me here to avoid it like a rash. We both had quite tough lives and I do think we found soulmates in each other (but there is still a lot of work to do) so maybe the renovation/rejuvenation project concerns us as much as the house...

Anyway, I'm getting carried away here.. You guys are really great, thank you so much for all your imput and help. Will still look for a feng shui expert though as I thought it was a great idea. God bless you all! XXX
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jesed

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Just in case the comment could be useful

My experience is, when the question is evaluate the Feng Shui from a place, mathematical method is better than text analyis method

In mathematical method, 22 is "Total combination" (sign of harmony and good chi), but 30 is "Total conflict" (sign of bad chi)

So, seems there is actually an energetical problem with the house. To avoid misunderstandings: I'm not saying that the house has the worst chi in the world... but some corrections are needed.

If Magdalena provides the exactly month, day and hour when she did the question, I could give more detailed interpretation with matematical metod.

Best wishes
 
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rosada

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Dear Magdalena,

I was just about to write you saying, "Don't just get some one who does 'Black Hat Sect Feng Shui", they are a dime a dozen. You need someone who knows the mathmatical meathod."
Wow, are we good or what?

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bruce

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Or, you could let each thing find its place, as though it knows where it wants to be. We are talking practical aesthetics, not a scientific formula, unless you like to paint by numbers.
 
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jesed

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Hi Bruce

I'm totally agree with you about not paint by numbers.

To avoid misunderstandings: when I said "matemathical method" it wasn't a mathematical aesthetic.. it was a mathematical method to understand Yi Jing answers. Some times before I had use it in this forum (remember Don Juan's case of breaking-up predicted with this mathematical method from hexagram 2 unchanging)

But, even more... Feng Shui is not only (and not mayorly) about aesthetics; is more close to geophisic.

Of course, most of the Feng Shui that came to Western from Hong Kong and Taiwan are center in "healings" that are most "aesthetic common sense" mixed with some supertitions.

Best wishes
 
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bruce

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Hi Jesed,

I completely missed where you mentioned "math method". Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to Rosada's recommendation, half tongue-in-cheek.

I'm sure there's all sorts of ways to dice and divide a room. All kind of elements come to play. And no doubt there are some gifted folks who specialize in one or more of these approaches.

What I'm suggesting is an approach which one can create those same effects and affects, not through a system but through minimizing, and then letting intuition guide the creative process. Granted, not everyone has this kind of eye or sensitivity, but I think by-in-large, many do but have not exercised it.

It?s a lot like meditation. There are many different types and methods, but if one is still and awake, many of them find a way all by themselves. As in 2.2.
 

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