Hexagram 24 - "Returning"

[onewhohasfalselyloved]

Greetings, Fellow I-Ching Community Members.

I research discussions on Hexagram readings here at Online Clarity frequently that are similar to Hexagram results I receive.

I am here this morning, because I am at a dead-end point with options to communicate with the woman I am in love with. It is a three year, off and on again relationship. I learned several months ago her reality: She is in a primary relationship already and very much in love with that person. However, it seems that relationship allows for her to explore sexually. Don't ask how we met...

We've been through a lot these past three years and I find myself willing to find my right place with her; however, she is enormously private with her inner feelings. I have shown great interest in them, but my way of showing interest has only further intimidated her.

At this time, she will not engage with conversation; but she was willing to sit down and listen to an idea of mine. I found the idea too vulnerable to share without our being in some kind of normal or opening dialogue, so I cancelled the talk for yesterday (6.26.11) and I said goodbye to her.

This morning I received Hexagram 24, when I asked the question: "what will my life be like to loose Diana?"

I guess I am wanting to understand if this "Turning Point" or "Return" message refers to a return to self or if it is both a return to our better selves and a new beginning is possible for us with a greater understanding the complexity of relating she and I are apart of.

I would really appreciate any insights one has to offer.

Thank you.
OWHFL

 

[goddessliss]

Please read this thread it helped me enormously - try not to keep asking questions about your situation in the hope something will change - it does your head and heart no good - I know, I've done it.
Try and accept the situation for what 24 tells you. xx

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=12838

 

[chingching]

This morning I received Hexagram 24, when I asked the question: "what will my life be like to loose Diana?"

That's a great way of saying it if loose wasn't a typo, because it looks like you mean letting Diana go free. (if it was a typo, and you meant lose, then you feel like she is being taken away from you perhaps)

Yi answered you with 24, whatever the physical manifestation of this, parting with Diana now is a step back onto your own path.

RETURN. Success.
Going out and coming in without error.
Friends come without blame.
To and fro goes the way.
On the seventh day comes return.
It furthers one to have somewhere to go.

wilhelm

the advice is to have a direction to go so there is a sense of you being active in this decision and not passive.

This choice has success.

All the best.

 

[onewhohasfalselyloved]

Thank you goddessliss and chingching for your feedback.

There is much to consider, speaking of Wilhem & Hexagram 24: Cyclic and Beyond Ones Control.

I have not mentioned our history, but a lifestyle: non-monogamy.

It is obvious that I must let her go in order for light to continue its return; in my life, her life, to the relationship that is ours. That she is beyond my control, that in the natural cycle of things is what I must relax into as well the unknown. The point being for me not to externally reference her until her return to a self-induced dialogue with me, not me asking her to listen to me talk when she is saying she has nothing to say at this time-though, was willing to come and listen.

I guess, I find here a faith that I have in her, her process, and our connection, which has been wildly injured due to the her secrecy and my unrelenting questioning and wanting to understand her. I guess, too, I remember my compassion for our differences in how we present and have presented ourselves to each other. It's an unconditional love, ultimately. I must let go of what I can not control, whether it be we not meet again or the greater hope: we renew ourselves in a greater truth, a fuller light where we can continue our explorations: emotionally, intellectually, spiritually, and physically. I guess, I find here that we bring the light to each other in ways we could not expect, we express and process these challenges to reexamine ourselves in very different ways...me upfront, she not so much.

Injury is to myself to fear what I do not understand, to linger in hope and desire and the sense of loss; to loose my relationship with my higher-self. Therefore, I find here, that my faith must also inexplicably lie in the Order of Things as They Change and that it is best to understand Return as seen from the (my) quarent's view-my return to my Center and faith in the process.

I do not necessarily read Hex 24 as a finality of anything: the Sun returns, the Spring returns...the Sun goes, the Winter passes...

I accept denial as my attitude at this moment.
I will write again, to update this thread when there is more to share regarding the "outcome".

Again, I appreciate those who took the time to guide and encourage me on my path.
Thank you!

 

[chingching]

oh.... 'onewhohasfalslyloved'... no love is false. Maybe 24 is also saying... this too shall pass.

 

[onewhohasfalselyloved]

Quiet, please. There are people listening.

Oh.........Ching-ching:

tell that to a child who has been molested by a familiar adult, because they "loved" them. Tell that to the wife whose been beat, burned, locked in because her spouse "loves" her. Tell that to a people who volunteer to go out and kill people by starting wars, then crippling their own country's economy and homeland security because they love their country.

False love exists....it is "self" preserving; thus, manipulative, whether it is based upon ignorant or conscious acts. I sure as heck hope it will pass, if you read my last post.

Now, if you wish to clarify what you mean by "love", instead of throwing out some short passing, I am smart kind of reply or if you would like to understand "why" I write what I write, instead of acting like you see right through my ID name, I would welcome that, not only from you; but anyone. Otherwise, please just move on to the next post.

Thank you.

 

[goddessliss]

onewhoasfalselyloved - that is so inappropriate to lash out at chingching.
From my experience chingching has always been sincere and from the heart in trying to help others on this forum.
If you don't like what someone says it is better to either say thankyou for at least their time or say nothing at all.

 

[onewhohasfalselyloved]

onewhoasfalselyloved - that is so inappropriate to lash out at chingching.
From my experience chingching has always been sincere and from the heart in trying to help others on this forum.
If you don't like what someone says it is better to either say thankyou for at least their time or say nothing at all.

Why do you find it a lashing?

 

[rodaki]

with all due respect

I don't get it 'onewhohasfalselyloved' are you comparing yourself to an adult that molests a child out of 'false love', or a husband who abuses his wife out of that same kind of 'love' or like the people who war and cripple out of 'it'?

Perhaps you are saying that you have found yourself exercising a kind of 'love' that is

"self" preserving; thus, manipulative, whether it is based upon ignorant or conscious acts

Your post was not-at-all polite if you consider that you come in with an ID that begs to be noticed but then scorn those who turn their attention to it . . and please, if you don't want people to listen you shouldn't be posting at all -this is an open public forum.

I am not in the least interested to go into a discussion but I think these things needed to be pointed out. I wish for a true resolution to your romantic troubles

 

[onewhohasfalselyloved]

I am going to represent myself here in accordance to your post.

I would say that we ALL practice a self-preserving love at times.
Though, you have taken my statement way out of context.
As well, I was arguing a point that false love does exist.
I do not need to make examples of my life, specifically, to make such a point.
Further, I am fully aware that this is a public and shared forum; therefore, please listen carefully to what someone is saying and try not to post what the ego wants to express. That was the message of the title. Though, I had directed it outwards, it, too, points right back at me. I apologize, chingching, for practicing such impatience for your post.

Rodaki, I know you have attempted to hurt me, not guide me, as you wish me well with my romantic life, wonder if I am the abuser, the molester, the one starting wars and walking away crippled. But when you settle down, and get real, you may feel remorseful for your voice of false love and you may wish you had said the things you said differently, from a different emotional place.

One Who Falsely Loves is all of us, not just me. My ID is not all that me focused: it is ambiguous.

My post to chingching was cutting and others are expressing an empathic response. So much so, a couple of readers have been provoked to "lash out" at me in chingching's defense. This is good. Thank you.

But, please.
Just pass this post on by...let it die or let it be removed or let's pick-it up somewhere else.

LET IT RETURN....

I do appreciate everyone's input.
I will practice a less cutting technique.
I know not how chingching has read my comments, only chingching can tell me.
But I am certain at least a few of us have been inspired.
For that I am grateful.

 

[rodaki]

fwiw

I am not in the least interested to go into a discussion
I wish for a true resolution to your romantic troubles

 

[onewhohasfalselyloved]

Please, let this thread return....