hexagram 27 lines 1,2 and 5 changing to 59

[rainshower]

i asked i ching how would boyfriend respond if i backed off from him i got as the answer 27 the changing lines 1 2 and 5 this becomes hexagram 59 any ideas on this please? thanks this is important to me

 

[dobro p]

i asked i ching how would boyfriend respond if i backed off from him i got as the answer 27 the changing lines 1 2 and 5 this becomes hexagram 59 any ideas on this please? thanks this is important to me

Why do you want to back off from him?

 

[rainshower]

i feel perhaps he needs some space, i have been paying him more attention than he has me lately; this has cost me a lot of emotional energy

 

[willowfox]

"i asked i ching how would boyfriend respond if i backed off from him i got as the answer 27 the changing lines 1, 2 and 5 this becomes hexagram 59 "

Hex 27.1,2,5 suggest that backing off is not a good idea for it may well lead to trouble, so do not look at others who are fairing better with envy and do not go looking in the wrong places for comfort in your time of need. You are dependent on this guy and so to persevere is the right thing to do. Carry on providing affection.

Hex 59 is about removing an obstacle in your relationship through gentle persuasion, it seems that he has ego problems that are causing him to isolate himself from you, this barrier that he has set up needs to be dissolved through true friendship and affection. So, go talk with him and find out exactly what the problem is because you cannot carry on this way, bring it all out into the open and clear up the misunderstanding once and for all, then the barriers in your relationship will be removed.

 

[dobro p]

i feel perhaps he needs some space, i have been paying him more attention than he has me lately; this has cost me a lot of emotional energy

How has he acted and responded when you pay him more attention than he has toward you?

 

[rainshower]

thanks willowfox, lets just say dobro, that willow's interpretation makes a lot of sense

 

[luz]

I agree with WF about clearing it up with the guy but I don't agree with this:

You are dependent on this guy and so to persevere is the right thing to do. Carry on providing affection.

In any case, the Yi might be saying that you are feeling or acting like you are dependent on this guy but you are not.

You could also interpret 27->59 as yes, back off, "seek real substance", as Lise's 27 says, "disperse"(59).

Good luck.

 

[rainshower]

Hope i am not being facetious, but i do love the idea of him being a 'magic tortoise'!

 

[Trojina]

Hope i am not being facetious, but i do love the idea of him being a 'magic tortoise'!

No the 'magic tortoise' as I understand it symbolises one own spiritual power and autonomy. When you depend on another too much you lose your personal power, your magic tortoise. I don't think he is the tortoise, lol. I think you need to consider your own nourishment, how you feed your emotional needs. I think this reading says you go about it in the wrong way, ie asking psychics etc not relying on your intuition and feeling, your magic tortoise.

 

[jesed]

Hi rainshower

"You are dependent on this guy and so to persevere is the right thing to do.

i do love the idea of him being a 'magic tortoise'!

It is the opposite.

Line 1 points to one people that is depending on other to provide his/her emotional needs (you look at me, waiting I nourish you) and therefore, this people deny his/her own ability to nourish him/herself (the tortoise). AND THAT BRINGS MISFORTUNE.

The consecuence of persevere in this wrong aproach is in line 23.1 Ironically, the text is:
The leg of the bed is split.
Those who persevere are destroyed
Misfortune.

How could be, then, that the right thing to do is to persevere, when perseverance leads to destruction?

I would like to advice you to be aware of following false-hope interpretations.. but at the end it is your heart; isn't?

Best wishes

 

[rainshower]

Hi jesed there seems to be a bit of a conflict of interpretations here...who is to know which is right? How did you come up with line one of hexagram 23? Am very confused now. Of course my remark about the magic tortoise was a little silly,i know it is symbolic but i just love the imagery.

 

[jesed]

Well, the best teacher is reality.

You can see the interpretations of people, how accurate and how mistaken interpretations made (and how many times, about relation questions, WF had said "go for it" and at the end people find humiliation), to see who is to know wich is right.

You can also read real translators' work (as Wilhelm, Bradford, Ewald, Lise, Harmen Mesker) about how negative is the actitude described in line 27.1

23.1 is the consequence of 27.1; Bradford had called this fan yao... you change only the line you are trying to understand, and the same line in the new hexagram helps you undertand the meaning. If you change only the first line of 27, you have 23.. then the first line of 23 helps you to understand the meaning of 27.1

Best wishes

 

[rainshower]

Thanks, jesed...think i understand, sure it will all get clearer as i get more familiar with the i ching...what about the other moving lines that i got in this hexagram, can you do the fanyao on those as well?

 

[jesed]

Sure... but first the "rule"

What Bradford called fan yao is:
a) you take the line your are studying
b) you change it and only this one
c) you read the similar line in the new hexagram

a) 27.1 => c) 23.1
a) 27.2 => c) 41.2
a) 27.5 => c) 42.5

Now... if you read Bradford's translation and comment (and I would highly suggest you to read it), you can see in every single line what is it's fan yao.
www.hermetica.info

Also, if you read Lise's translations and comment (and again, you would find it of great value), you also can see in each line a link to the hex to look at.
http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/index.html

Best wishes