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Hi everyone I'm new to the forum and I needed sme help interpreting hexagram 29.

It concerns a business associate. I'm his right hand you could say our work relationship is that he's the King (owner) and I'm his Minister :) I've known him for many years.
I asked if he is secretly in love with me. I received Hexagram 29 unchanged. I understand the overall meaning of this hexagram but how does it relate to love and emotions? Does it mean that he has deep feelings for me? That's my take on it.

Can anyone elaborate more on it? Thanks! Eleni:confused:
 

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He could have deep feelings for you but he may also be scared of them.
 

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Maybe you would get more out of the reading by rephrasing the question, something like What X wants from me in emotional sense or How X sees me perhaps?
Yes or no question and secretly to that....try to be more concrete to get more meaningful answer, would me my advice.
 

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Here is translation and commentary from Ewald Berkers on hexagram 29.

I would say there is both emotional and professional danger if he is in love with you. That does not preclude it being meaningful, of course:


"29. Abyss

Getting accustomed to the abyss.
Have confidence and hold on to your heart.
For progress, taking action has value.

A situation that is unfamiliar and dangerous, that one needs to get into and get accustomed to. Have confidence, and keep in touch with your feelings. Feeling fear is natural in this situation. Taking action is needed in order to have progress."
 

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Often when we ask a question about someone else, the I Ching's response is about us. That is, it reflects us back to ourselves.

It seems like that would be crossing a boundary, a love relationship in the office, but that would also depend upon what kind of love you have in mind. All in all, you have to think it through carefully. Do you want him to be secretly in love with you?

People who work closely together often develop deep feelings, including fellowship, respect and caring, for each other. But it can be dangerous, messing with the usual boundaries observed in working relationships, for the obvious reason. Love relationships tend to be unstable and subject to many changes, and that could endanger the stability of your business relationship. It is considered by many a mistake for a female employee to get overly involved with her boss, because if there's a falling out, then she's the one who would find herself out of a job.

We all have to have a way to cope with warm feelings for the people we work with or for -- without letting romance/sex get the upper hand. Maybe many people wouldn't agree with me, but I think that's the challenge of hex 29 uc in this case.
 

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Yes, I would agree. And hexagram 29 is considered by Legge to be "entering the double defile"; in other words, danger repeated, abyss on top of abyss. So it is a sort of warning hexagram.
 

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Hexagram 29 is one the 8 pure hexagram. The upper trigram and lower trigram are identical. This relationship will not work. Do not bother. If you proceed, it won't last. Your imagined happiness will turn into many ordeals and anguish. Success is very difficult.
 

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First off I would like to thank everyone for taking the time to reply. But when replying please keep in mind that I never said anything about wanting a relationship with anyone or to start anything with anyone. I never mentioned anyone being my boss. I have no boss. My question has nothing to do with how I feel or what I want. I'm not interested in those kind of questions because I can answer those myself without using the I Ching.

Please keep in mind when replying to stick to the subject of my question only nothing more. I asked a simple question Is xxxx in love with me? Hexagram 29 came up. It's that simple. I'm not interested in hearing what I should or should not do.

Thanks! :)
 

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Here is translation and commentary from Ewald Berkers on hexagram 29.

I would say there is both emotional and professional danger if he is in love with you. That does not preclude it being meaningful, of course:


"29. Abyss

Getting accustomed to the abyss.
Have confidence and hold on to your heart.
For progress, taking action has value.

A situation that is unfamiliar and dangerous, that one needs to get into and get accustomed to. Have confidence, and keep in touch with your feelings. Feeling fear is natural in this situation. Taking action is needed in order to have progress."

thanks :)
 

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Could Hexagram 29 in relation to my question be that he is on the verge of falling in love with me which is both risky and dangerous for him. Or could it be that it is both risky and dangerous if he let himself fall in love with me. Really tricky to figure out.

Any input appreciated.:bows:
 

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In any hexagram, it report female and male characters.

Your six line analysis
出生时间:年 性别:女 起卦方式:直接指定
起卦时间:2012年06月01日13时58分

神煞:天乙—卯巳 福星—辰 日禄—子 羊刃—亥 驿马—亥 桃花—午 华盖—丑
干支:壬辰年 乙巳月 癸巳日 己未时
旬空:午未  寅卯  午未  子丑


六神  伏神    坎宫:坎为水(六冲)
         【本 卦】
白虎       ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟戊子水 世
滕蛇       ▅▅▅▅▅ 官鬼戊戌土  
勾陈       ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母戊申金  
朱雀       ▅▅ ▅▅ 妻财戊午火 应
青龙       ▅▅▅▅▅ 官鬼戊辰土  
玄武       ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙戊寅木 

Line 6 is you. Line 3 is him. Both are yang lines. No chemistry at all.
Line 3: there is a female character in that line, but it is not the children character. He has no interest in you. You do not consider him a possibility either (line 4 午 appears under the day of your reading.

Hexagram has 2 men (line 2 and 5), one female (line 4), one man or woman (line 6) character embedded in it.

Line 3 and line 6 animal characters are in conflict with each other, indicating disagreement. He is looking for a fling (桃花—午 appears in line 4). Nothing more than that.

I will not read too much into it. The reading cautions the querent to do some detective work and know more this man's private life before having anything to do with him (including work).

This is a common hexagram for female and man in a work environment.The Tarot card equivalent is Devil. The picture is the devil card explains what type of relationship.
The man loves to manipulate. The female feels chained for one reason or the other. Either party is happy. What needs to be done needs to done. The man has no sexual interest or romance interest in the woman. He see weakness that he can manipulate to his work's advantage.

If the man is of high authority and success in a business environment, this is common. The corporate boss or department head usually have this type of behaviour. Any worker can be used, in particular female workers who may not be smart enough to see through it.

In any hexagram, it report female and male characters. There is nothing called just telling me what he thinks of me. The reading also tells what the female thinks of him, her status etc. If the querent is a female, the day, hour and month of the reading gives away a lot of information of the female when it is used in combined with the hexagram. It does not give the information on the man.

With your request, I refrain making any comments on the female character of this hexagram. If you really wants to know about him, run a tarot card reading on relationship spread without posting it anywhere. It tells you what he thinks of you and feels about you. If you convert the last card back to Iching, you will know everything.:duh:
 
 
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Maybe this reading is referring to both of you (your situation as a whole). Either way you look at it, from his point of view, or your own, there is risk involved and that is what 29 is about. Danger, a challenge, being exposed in the workplace, risky business.

Even though you asked about his side, I am wondering, do you want advice on how to proceed yourself? If you do not, then the reading could very simply be saying his love for you is a challenge. But I don't think that is how Yi works. I think it is giving you advice that the situation is like being surrounded in moving water and the best thing to do is to let it move you. 'Be True'. You can't stand like a stone forever. I think you should tell him what you are thinking. Go for it. The water will move you and on your risky journey you will learn something from being out in the open. Something will make you stronger. 'Advance will have value'.
 

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Please keep in mind when replying to stick to the subject of my question only nothing more. I asked a simple question Is xxxx in love with me? Hexagram 29 came up. It's that simple. I'm not interested in hearing what I should or should not do.
Because Yi does not work that way..it gives you images and situations to work with and apply to your query which comes from you and through you first and foremost...
And here it gives you hex 29 and unchanged to that, with double water image that is about emotions, strong and frustrating ones in need of relief...and for emotions to ponder so deep, something needs to incite them...so, looking at the wider picture is due. Could be even giving you a picture of your stressful working atmosphere, if there is such.

But if you want yes or no question, as we many times do, when we say to ourselves "I just want to know" my bet would be on yes, something is happening of emotional level.
 

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Your six line analysis
出生时间:年 性别:女 起卦方式:直接指定
起卦时间:2012年06月01日13时58分

神煞:天乙—卯巳 福星—辰 日禄—子 羊刃—亥 驿马—亥 桃花—午 华盖—丑
干支:壬辰年 乙巳月 癸巳日 己未时
旬空:午未  寅卯  午未  子丑


六神  伏神    坎宫:坎为水(六冲)
         【本 卦】
白虎       ▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟戊子水 世
滕蛇       ▅▅▅▅▅ 官鬼戊戌土  
勾陈       ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母戊申金  
朱雀       ▅▅ ▅▅ 妻财戊午火 应
青龙       ▅▅▅▅▅ 官鬼戊辰土  
玄武       ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙戊寅木 

Line 6 is you. Line 3 is him. Both are yang lines. No chemistry at all.
Line 3: there is a female character in that line, but it is not the children character. He has no interest in you. You do not consider him a possibility either (line 4 午 appears under the day of your reading.

Hexagram has 2 men (line 2 and 5), one female (line 4), one man or woman (line 6) character embedded in it.

Line 3 and line 6 animal characters are in conflict with each other, indicating disagreement. He is looking for a fling (桃花—午 appears in line 4). Nothing more than that.

I will not read too much into it. The reading cautions the querent to do some detective work and know more this man's private life before having anything to do with him (including work).

This is a common hexagram for female and man in a work environment.The Tarot card equivalent is Devil. The picture is the devil card explains what type of relationship.
The man loves to manipulate. The female feels chained for one reason or the other. Either party is happy. What needs to be done needs to done. The man has no sexual interest or romance interest in the woman. He see weakness that he can manipulate to his work's advantage.

If the man is of high authority and success in a business environment, this is common. The corporate boss or department head usually have this type of behaviour. Any worker can be used, in particular female workers who may not be smart enough to see through it.

In any hexagram, it report female and male characters. There is nothing called just telling me what he thinks of me. The reading also tells what the female thinks of him, her status etc. If the querent is a female, the day, hour and month of the reading gives away a lot of information of the female when it is used in combined with the hexagram. It does not give the information on the man.

With your request, I refrain making any comments on the female character of this hexagram. If you really wants to know about him, run a tarot card reading on relationship spread without posting it anywhere. It tells you what he thinks of you and feels about you. If you convert the last card back to Iching, you will know everything.:duh:
 

This is unbelievable! Your analysis is exact! and yes the Devil does come up in the tarot reading all the time. I'm blown away by this reading! Thank you very much! wow!:D
 

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Excellent analysis!

Does Hexagram 29 have connotations to addictions or depression? It represents a sick heart what does that mean?
 

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thanks!

:)I would like to thank everyone for all the time they took to answer me!
 

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Update people

The man loves to manipulate. The female feels chained for one reason or the other. Either party is happy. What needs to be done needs to done. The man has no sexual interest or romance interest in the woman. He see weakness that he can manipulate to his work's advantage.

This is exactly the situation and yes he is only looking for a fling. Basically hexagram 29 means it's too risky.
 

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