Hexagram 3.4.6 to 25

[zelion]

Hi everybody... I'm back again in the forums with a question...

Anybody has any experience with such a contradiction?

Hex. 3.4.6 to 25

The question was regarding my chances of being with someone I've been in love for many years already.. I've been her best friend for years now... And only had few intimate relationships with her in the past...

I read it as yes I can, but with lots of tears in the process... But I've been there already for years...


So, more tears on the way? Or maybe I'm wrong and I should stop this once and for all and go back to my continent and country?

Thanks a lot.

 

[my_key]

Hi Zelion
This oracle will very much depend on what was really in your heart when you asked the question. It's not clear from your post exactly what that question was - so maybe you are the only one that knows.
The lines seem to be giving a sense of doing what you desire for you right now. Change is upon you and you are torn between the old and the new - perhaps even torn between your wants and your needs. The outcome that arrives for you may not be as you picture it now.The message may be something like - Go for what you desire but don't expect to get what you go for.

Mike

 

[zelion]

Thanks for your insight...

What I really want to know its if its worth to keep on fighting for this person.. I mean.... If I keep fighting, will I have a real chance? Or I'm only wasting my time and my energy?

If the message is:

"Go for what you desire but don't expect to get what you go for..."

Then what's the point?

Thanks my key

 

[pocossin]

Can I be with her?
3.4.6 > 25

Hexagram 3 (in my understanding) involves recruitment. 25, harvest by collective family labor.

3.4
Six in the fourth place means:
Horse and wagon part.
Strive for union.
To go brings good fortune.
Everything acts to further.

Since you are not achieving union, you are not striving in the right way.

3.6
Six at the top means:
Horse and wagon part.
Bloody tears flow.

If you do not have what she wants, your suit will be forever rejected. Do you know what would make her happy? What does she want in a partner?

If you have been at this for years, you need to stop or find a new approach. Have you clearly revealed your heart to her? The old ways aren't working for you. Who are your allies in your pursuit of this woman? Her coworkers, friends, members of her family? Do they respect your interest in her and are they willing to help you?

 

[Trojina]

Thanks for your insight...

What I really want to know its if its worth to keep on fighting for this person.. I mean.... If I keep fighting, will I have a real chance? Or I'm only wasting my time and my energy? If the message is:

"Go for what you desire but don't expect to get what you go for..."
Then what's the point?

Thanks my key

Taking 3.6 then no its not worth hanging on for and yes you are wasting your time and energy. You can pour all your best efforts in here to no avail...to me 3.6 is a very clear answer to the above question. Let me quote directly from Hilarys book, her commentary on 3.6 is ; "The suitor drives out with his best horses but there is no bride here for him to find. Pouring out the best of yourself in a concerted effort to forge ahead, you find no response and your energy drains away.. You're over extended too narrowly on a single direction, and forgetting what a well rooted relationship feels like". I have found that commentary tallies with my own understanding and experience.

Of course there is 3.4 to take into account and 25 as relating hexagram . But for reason I don't have time to fully explain i don't find 25 bodes that well for long term commitments...it can be all still very much "maybe maybe not" type scenario. So overall I think you are right in sensing you are wasting your time and that more 'fighting' is pointless. I feel 3.6 is the stronger line here becasueit follows comes later in time than 3.4. 3.4 may simply be showing you making efforts.



Hmmm having said that I generally find with these kinds of questions some querants respond very badly to any kind of interpretation suggesting they let the relationship go even though they are the ones suggesting it in the first place and they tend to then argue vehemently that they are going to stay with the relationship whatever.


Well at least the process of askinghere has helped them make a decision.


So in anticipation of you being annoyed with my interpretation I agree with others that ultimately this really is going to be down to what you want. If you do decide to stay and fight for it then thats a valid decision too.

My interpretation is more cut and dried than usual because I feel 3.6 fitted what you say so well and 3.6 I find is a pretty cut and dried line...and also not a comfortable one. Blood can symbolise emotional pain...don't stay in that place of pain, move on out. You will surely find a better response from someone else somewhere else. You shouldn't have to fight for the response you want...maybe your focus is too narrow. Moving away perhaps things will flow so much easier in another situation


sorry if i depressed you, thats just my take on it...but the good news is if you let go of this at least you are free to be with someone who really connects with you without all this struggle on your part. If you let go of this maybe it brings happiness a bit closer than it is now

 

[zelion]

Pocossin... Thanks for your interpretation..

I revelead my heart to her, but she avoids talking about it.. she dissapears from my life, after a few weeks or months, then reappears...

After asking this question, she has been helping me in the work area, bringing to me projects , even giving me some money when I'been in need... She feels me more like a brother to her... she feels as me we are soul mates, but she keeps on looking for relationships with people based on the physical side :-(

I've been with other woman, but never been happy, only when I have the chance to be with her, and intimate with her...

Trojan... Thanks for your comments too...

Maybe you are right, maybe not, but don't worry about depressing me

In a nutshell, she's helping me in another areas of my life, but refuses to talk openly about us...

Its like knowing who your soul mate is, and at the same time knowing you cannot be fully happy with any other person in the world... So.. What to do?? Don't know...

 

[zelion]

I'm realizing something right now... maybe Hex. 3.4.6 to 25 was telling me:

Keep your connection with her (3.4), but your relationship with her wont be an intimate one (3.6), just be natural, let it be whatever it is, don't fight it (25)

So My Key, as you said ... "The message may be something like - Go for what you desire but don't expect to get what you go for." .. maybe you nailed it!

Anyway, this is the book of changes, so this casting maybe is about the situation right now...

In fact other castings about my relationship with her have been more positive...

So maybe in the long run things will be different.. But who knows...

Thanks everyone for your insight!