hexagram 38.3 > 14 Am I losing my mind?

[pizzabec]

All I can say is WOW.
I had to share this because it answered me without answering me but it answered me.
So I will try to explain the context.
Certain events have occured and based on those events, I am able to see a certain landscape ahead and I can see beneath certain superficialities of this reality. To me, it is clear as day.
To others, it is not. They have opposing views in the complete opposite direction. So now, I clearly see my landscape, and I clearly see the others' point of view and even see how they view me while I see the landscape ahead. So their point of view is literally making me question my own sanity. What if I have gone crazy? What if I've gone off the deep end? Are they right? Am i just humiliating myself?
So I asked Yi, am I losing my mind?
I read Hillary's interpretation and I was like whoh:

"Opposing' describes irreducible differences – desires, motivations and especially ways of seeing that diverge from one another. 'Opposing' people see differently even when they're looking at the same scene; they are utterly strange to each other, as if they came from different planets. With an inner state of 'Opposing', you contain mutually contradictory impulses – like two siblings under one roof – or see from two angles at once. You might see things not only for what they are, but also for what they mean, as if they were omens.
In small affairs, this kind of difference of view means good fortune. It's a challenge, a source of comedy, or a creative stimulus. In matters of great personal importance, though, where people's sense of identity is threatened by a different way of seeing, it will stir up survival instincts and trigger conflict. If you can scale matters down to 'small affairs', it becomes much easier to give space to both visions".

The response was so 4D for me..I'm blown away. I had to share this.

 

[dfreed]

I am able to see a certain landscape ahead and I can see beneath certain superficialities of this reality. To me, it is clear as day.

Only if you wish to share, but can you give us any specifics about this: what certain landscape(s) can you see clearly? And what superficialities can you see beneath? And what reality are you talking about? Just the general reality of your life, or are there certain specific things you're seeing clearly? I'm just a stickler for details.

D.

 

[pizzabec]

Only if you wish to share, but can you give us any specifics about this: what certain landscape(s) can you see clearly? And what superficialities can you see beneath? And what reality are you talking about? Just the general reality of your life, or are there certain specific things you're seeing clearly? I'm just a stickler for details.

D.

I am looking at a social landscape. I am looking at events that will happen within the next 6-8 months. I see more lockdowns, deaths, war, the removal of liberties etc. My visions are frightening actually. I dont really talk to anyone about them because I am scared of being labeled as a complete basketcase.
I see the schism of society, I see intense suffering...
On the other side, I see how other people view that. I see how other people trust in their government and trust in the news and trust in general. If I talk about it, I see how people view me. A couple of people have even told me...and the action of seeing through someone else's eyes makes me feel like, omg am I losing my mind? Are they right? Am I going off the deep end?
They are the most unsettling uncomfortable feelings I've ever had. So I am questioning my thoughts and views, their thoughts and views and society, politicians etc...

 

[pizzabec]

Can you be more specific ? I mean what wars, removal of liberties where ? The Taliban in Afghanistan ?
Sadly there are always wars and always removal of liberties somewhere in the world and the fight to restore those.


Having reread the first post you aren't asking for input just sharing how Hilary's commentary helped you see different people have different views ? It's still not very clear what you are trying to share.




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Ok, I will be specific. My apologies for ducking the issue.
Not about Afghanistan.
Before all this pandemic thing began, I had an awakening and started to see things to the point that I freaked people out. I freaked myself out. I understood through a life coach and healer that I just may have some skill in "seeing".
When Covid began, I called it a biological weapon. I foresaw lockdowns. It scared me but not because of the virus itself. I saw all media as propaganda. Left right all of it. I saw through a veil...before all this began, I had an awakening and began to see things to the point that I freaked people out. Then they opened society up and I told people that the lockdown would happen again, and again...virus has nothing to do with it. It is manipulation into mass psychosis..they thought I was crazy. It happened. Then they announced vaccines. Behind the scenes they were building "quarantine camps". Then I said we will not be able to travel freely. This is a precursor into something much bigger. They will segregate the vaxxed with the unvaxxed...etc...I made a whole bunch of other predictions. Including the vaccine passports because i saw it...I saw the landscape. I saw the segregation and discrimination.
This is one side. The other side is how your everyday people are viewing events and how they are viewing me. It is hard to block these images of how people see me and how they see what is going on. It takes a tremendous amount of effort. So now, because of the way I see how others see me, I am constantly checking my premise to the point of omg...am i going crazy? Is it me who is going through some psychosis? Do I have a brain tumor? And then I asked Yi, am I losing my mind????
I apologize if I brought in a topic that is so..I dunno..taboo..i posted it here in the shared readings because that was how i saw Yi's response but i am unsure of that as well i was looking to get further insight on the reading.

 

[dfreed]

hexagram 38.3 > 14 Am I losing my mind? - All I can say is WOW.

Line 38.3: seeing a wagon dragging, its oxen held back, its man branded with his nose cut off ...." (Stephen Field trans.)

So yes, the Yi is saying you are losing your mind and if you continue with your absurd, violent fantasies and hallucinations you will lose it even more. The solution is to try and replace your absurd, but entertaining fantasies with logic and reality, but some people - like sociopaths (ex-presidents) and people whom are extremely paranoid or brainwashed can not do this.

(Waxing political: luckily, here in America we voted in a president and a majority in congress whom are not having the same ridiculous, violent fantasies as you - but it is hard to keep the hateful, make-believe alt-right 'voices' at bay, since these demons have now taken human form, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Sean Hannity; and if you live here, perhaps these are the make-believe voices you are listening to? Just remember, they are not real!)

All the best to you, D.

 

[pizzabec]

Thanks for your help!
Based on these reactions I now see there is absolutely nothing wrong with me.

 

[dfreed]

Thanks for your help!
Based on these reactions I now see there is absolutely nothing wrong with me.

PizzaB, you are under no obligation to answer me, but I am baffled by what you are saying here:

My interpretation of the Yi's response is that there is something amiss with you - e.g. you are a bit crazy - but you are interpreting this the exact opposite? How did you arrive at that conclusion from what I said? Is it perhaps perpetually 'opposite day' where you live?

And if you are sure you are right - and sane - and that you are "able to see a certain landscape ahead and can see beneath certain superficialities of this reality" - and, that you never intended to entertain any other options or opinions, why did you post your reading here in the first place? Was it just to share with us what you think (which is your choice of course)?

And are you sure you're not seeing this in 5D, instead of being stuck in 4D, which is how I perceive the universe?

 

[pizzabec]

PizzaB, you are under no obligation to answer me, but I am baffled by what you are saying here:

My interpretation of the Yi's response is that there is something amiss with you - e.g. you are a bit crazy - but you are interpreting this the exact opposite? How did you arrive at that conclusion from what I said? Is it perhaps perpetually 'opposite day' where you live?

And if you are sure you are right - and sane - and that you are "able to see a certain landscape ahead and can see beneath certain superficialities of this reality" - and, that you never intended to entertain any other options or opinions, why did you post your reading here in the first place? Was it just to share with us what you think (which is your choice of course)?

And are you sure you're not seeing this in 5D, instead of being stuck in 4D, which is how I perceive the universe?.

The other poster went into a political temper tantrum namecalling me for expressing visions I've had. That's why I said what i said.
This is exactly the reason why I didnt want to get specific. All I expected was a more technical breakdown of the hexagram.
Maybe I read the hex wrong. I saw it as a mind that sees several opposing angles and points of views or visions which is what I though opposing meant.
The other poster literally lost it and mentioned some other president...and being far right...like what?? I thought this is an IChing forum where everyone is welcome.
For the record, I have zero political affiliation, I live in Canada and I think that govts have gone mad and I trust no one BECAUSE of the visions I have. And yes I meant 5D.
I was just expecting an unbiased breakdown, not some stranger shrieking at me.

 

[dfreed]

The other poster .... The other poster .... And yes I meant 5D.

That's all well and good, but I was not asking about what the other person said. I'm asking if you have any reaction to my post, no. 5, above, which is my unbiased interpretation? .... And again, you do not have to answer if you don't want to!

But especially when you talk about '5D' it makes me reiterate, that ...

"... yes, the Yi is saying you are losing your mind .... The solution is to try and replace your absurd, but entertaining fantasies with logic and reality, but some people - like sociopaths ... and people whom are extremely paranoid - can not do this."​

So again I ask, is there something I'm saying here (and not what anyone else said), that makes you think ... "there is absolutely nothing wrong with me"?

 

[IrfanK]

So yes, the Yi is saying you are losing your mind and if you continue with your absurd, violent fantasies and hallucinations you will lose it even more. The solution is to try and replace your absurd, but entertaining fantasies with logic and reality

I generally find it better to leave the diagnosis of psychiatric conditions to medical professionals. I'm also slightly disturbed by someone who finds the symptoms of those conditions entertaining.

Just my thoughts.

 

[peterg]

Pizzabec awesome.
(originally I said pizzabec's words, in ref to above posts).

This line has a silver lining.
38.3 :
'Pulled back....hampered/obstructed....stricken/head shaved/branded/face tattoo (broken point-interrupted growth)....nose cut (loss of public face or honour).
Without initially possessing completion.
Meeting a solid.'
This means,
there is a bad start but a good end result.
If you can bear with and endure the extreme initial alienation, you will find a workaround.
Hold fast and do not falter.

 

[Trojina]

Pizzabec's words are awesome.

Which words do you find awesome ?

I generally find it better to leave the diagnosis of psychiatric conditions to medical professionals.

But in this instance pizza did ask if she lost her mind though whether that was a rhetorical question, a real question, ie she thinks she's mad, or just a way to reveal her ideas about it all being a political plot I don't know. All I'm saying is if the question is actually asking if she lost her mind then it may not be surprising if she gets opinions about that. I really don't think Yi can confirm that either way for her or anyone else, as you say that would be the job of a psychiatrist.

The other poster went into a political temper tantrum namecalling me for expressing visions I've had. That's why I said what i said.
This is exactly the reason why I didnt want to get specific. All I expected was a more technical breakdown of the hexagram.

Yup that was me and it was temper but certainly not political. You are the one making it all about politics rather than a real pandemic. There wasn't name calling for the record, there was anger because Covid deniers are a real threat to the lives of others when they spread this kind of message. And you say these were your personal visions but come on yours is a very commonplace view amongst the crowd who think Covid is a hoax.

Of course you hadn't explained whether you believed Covid itself was a hoax, the deaths a hoax ? If you believe lockdowns were only for political control for some unspecified reason which was the same reason across all nations of the world what precisely is the political reason ? I'm interested to know if you think Covid is real, if you believe in the overflowing hospitals and the burned out medical staff ?

All I expected was a more technical breakdown of the hexagram.
Maybe I read the hex wrong. I saw it as a mind that sees several opposing angles and points of views or visions which is what I though opposing meant.

There is no purely 'technical' breakdown of a hexagram, all interpretation comes through people, interpretation is an art not a science, not technical. If you were genuinely asking if you'd lost your mind and you meant that then if anything I'd say 38.3 was a 'yes' as you are assailed in 38.3 and deprived of your faculties, your nose and ears are cut off. That's a great humiliation as well as a loss of use of nose and ears. Actually I don't know enough about how such butchery affected the actual capacity to hear and smell. But one could take it here that the butchery has affected your capacity to think.

But you have to understand those who agree with your ideas about the cause of lockdown and so on will see your answer differently. It's not a realistic expectation to post on a topic like this and expect 'neutral' interpretations, there aren't any.

In 38.3 things work out in the end so maybe you will regain the sensibility you have now lost. And of course this line shows actual attack so maybe you've been assailed by people who have commandeered your mind temporarily. So yes you've lost sense of things but it may not be permanent.

The other poster literally lost it and mentioned some other president...and being far right...like what?? I thought this is an IChing forum where everyone is welcome.

Actually it wasn't me at all who mentioned a president and the far right, it was dfreed in post 5 look back and see, he said

(Waxing political: luckily, here in America we voted in a president and a majority in congress whom are not having the same ridiculous, violent fantasies as you - but it is hard to keep the hateful, make-believe alt-right 'voices' at bay, since these demons have now taken human form, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Sean Hannity; and if you live here, perhaps these are the make-believe voices you are listening to? Just remember, they are not real!)

I'm English, I don't say that much about presidents and the far right as others know more about it. So you got that wrong.

For the record, I have zero political affiliation, I live in Canada and I think that govts have gone mad and I trust no one BECAUSE of the visions I have. And yes I meant 5D.
I was just expecting an unbiased breakdown, not some stranger shrieking at me.

Actually I'm a stranger who has spent time answering your posts/threads before. I won't be from now on though. Your expectation of an 'unbiased breakdown' is quite unrealistic, I mean really, think about it. You are denying Covid do you really think that's not in any way an emotive topic. And actually the post wasn't just 'shrieking' I asked you some questions I'd ask anyone spreading this kind of thing around. Questions about the political purpose of lockdown in your eyes for example given lockdowns certainly aren't in the interests of capitalism. I realise you have no answers and removed the post as just too much that's all.



Anyway I'm clearer now on your answer from my POV of course

What if I've gone off the deep end? Are they right? Am i just humiliating myself?

Yes they are right, you are humiliating yourself.

 

[dfreed]

I generally find it better to leave the diagnosis of psychiatric conditions to medical professionals.

Breaking it down in more detail: I based my interpretation on what pizzabec asked: 'am I losing my mind?, along with what they said, including becoming '5D' and, 'began to see things to the point that I freaked people out', 'manipulation into mass psychosis', 'they were building "quarantine camps", .... (and) I made a whole bunch of other predictions'.

I considered the Yi's response 38.3: man branded with his nose cut off ...." (from Stephen Field's excellent translation of the Zhouyi); and 38's lower trigram Lake becoming Heaven ... which along with experiences I've had with other people repeatedly 'voicing' these very same sentiments - lead me to say what I did.

If others offer other interpretations, or pizzabec feels my interpretation is proof of their sanity (or whatever they make of it), then so be it. I too am willing to leave any further detailed diagnosis - be it spiritual, social, medical - to other professionals. After all, not being '5D' myself, I'm not qualified to make such predictions; though it seems some of us here are.

 

[IrfanK]

I considered the Yi's response 38.3: man branded with his nose cut off ...." (from Stephen Field's excellent, 'modernist' translation of the Zhouyi); and 38's lower trigram Lake becoming Heaven ... which lead me to say what I did.

I couldn't agree more. Field did an excellent modernist interpretation. My favorite in that genre.

 

[dfreed]

This line has a silver lining.3 8.3 :' Pulled back ... hampered /obstructed...

This means, ... bad start but a good end result. If you can bear with and endure the extreme initial alienation, you will find a workaround. Hold fast and do not falter.

PeterG, first, I'm curious whose interpretation / words you're using?

Second, pizzab asked if they are losing their '5D' mind? Is your interpretation then that they are not, and the only 'imbalance' and problem here is other people's pressure and alienation towards them? And if pizzab can just endure this, pizzab's craziness or their sanity will cure itself?

 

[pizzabec]

That's all well and good, but I was not asking about what the other person said. I'm asking if you have any reaction to my post, no. 5, above, which is my unbiased interpretation? .... And again, you do not have to answer if you don't want to!

But especially when you talk about '5D' it makes me reiterate, that ...

​

"... yes, the Yi is saying you are losing your mind .... The solution is to try and replace your absurd, but entertaining fantasies with logic and reality, but some people - like sociopaths ... and people whom are extremely paranoid - can not do this."​

So again I ask, is there something I'm saying here (and not what anyone else said), that makes you think ... "there is absolutely nothing wrong with me"?

Where in the hexagram does it say this?

 

[dfreed]

Field did an excellent modernist interpretation. My favorite in that genre.

Yes, and depending on my mood or what my 5D intuition is telling me, I'll use either Field or Rutt; my use of the trigrams in interpreting the yi is consistent for both.

 

[pizzabec]

Breaking it down in more detail: I based my interpretation on what pizzabec asked: 'am I losing my mind?, along with what they said, including becoming '5D' and, 'began to see things to the point that I freaked people out', 'manipulation into mass psychosis', 'they were building "quarantine camps", .... (and) I made a whole bunch of other predictions'.

I considered the Yi's response 38.3: man branded with his nose cut off ...." (from Stephen Field's excellent translation of the Zhouyi); and 38's lower trigram Lake becoming Heaven ... which along with experiences I've had with other people repeatedly 'voicing' these very same sentiments - lead me to say what I did.

If others offer other interpretations, or pizzabec feels my interpretation is proof of their sanity (or whatever they make of it), then so be it. I too am willing to leave any further detailed diagnosis - be it spiritual, social, medical - to other professionals. After all, not being '5D' myself, I'm not qualified to make such predictions; though it seems some of us here are.

"Man branded with his nose cut off" translates to cutting one's nose to spite one's face?

 

[pizzabec]

Line 38.3: seeing a wagon dragging, its oxen held back, its man branded with his nose cut off ...." (Stephen Field trans.)

So yes, the Yi is saying you are losing your mind and if you continue with your absurd, violent fantasies and hallucinations you will lose it even more. The solution is to try and replace your absurd, but entertaining fantasies with logic and reality, but some people - like sociopaths (ex-presidents) and people whom are extremely paranoid or brainwashed can not do this.

(Waxing political: luckily, here in America we voted in a president and a majority in congress whom are not having the same ridiculous, violent fantasies as you - but it is hard to keep the hateful, make-believe alt-right 'voices' at bay, since these demons have now taken human form, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Sean Hannity; and if you live here, perhaps these are the make-believe voices you are listening to? Just remember, they are not real!)

All the best to you, D.

Trojina had a point. It WAS you who got political. @trojina sorry. I was stupid enough not to wear my glasses.

 

[pizzabec]

Which words do you find awesome ?


But in this instance pizza did ask if she lost her mind though whether that was a rhetorical question, a real question, ie she thinks she's mad, or just a way to reveal her ideas about it all being a political plot I don't know. All I'm saying is if the question is actually asking if she lost her mind then it may not be surprising if she gets opinions about that. I really don't think Yi can confirm that either way for her or anyone else, as you say that would be the job of a psychiatrist.




Yup that was me and it was temper but certainly not political. You are the one making it all about politics rather than a real pandemic. There wasn't name calling for the record, there was anger because Covid deniers are a real threat to the lives of others when they spread this kind of message. And you say these were your personal visions but come on yours is a very commonplace view amongst the crowd who think Covid is a hoax.

Of course you hadn't explained whether you believed Covid itself was a hoax, the deaths a hoax ? If you believe lockdowns were only for political control for some unspecified reason which was the same reason across all nations of the world what precisely is the political reason ? I'm interested to know if you think Covid is real, if you believe in the overflowing hospitals and the burned out medical staff ?




There is no purely 'technical' breakdown of a hexagram, all interpretation comes through people, interpretation is an art not a science, not technical. If you were genuinely asking if you'd lost your mind and you meant that then if anything I'd say 38.3 was a 'yes' as you are assailed in 38.3 and deprived of your faculties, your nose and ears are cut off. That's a great humiliation as well as a loss of use of nose and ears. Actually I don't know enough about how such butchery affected the actual capacity to hear and smell. But one could take it here that the butchery has affected your capacity to think.

But you have to understand those who agree with your ideas about the cause of lockdown and so on will see your answer differently. It's not a realistic expectation to post on a topic like this and expect 'neutral' interpretations, there aren't any.

In 38.3 things work out in the end so maybe you will regain the sensibility you have now lost. And of course this line shows actual attack so maybe you've been assailed by people who have commandeered your mind temporarily. So yes you've lost sense of things but it may not be permanent.




Actually it wasn't me at all who mentioned a president and the far right, it was dfreed in post 5 look back and see, he said



I'm English, I don't say that much about presidents and the far right as others know more about it. So you got that wrong.





Actually I'm a stranger who has spent time answering your posts/threads before. I won't be from now on though. Your expectation of an 'unbiased breakdown' is quite unrealistic, I mean really, think about it. You are denying Covid do you really think that's not in any way an emotive topic. And actually the post wasn't just 'shrieking' I asked you some questions I'd ask anyone spreading this kind of thing around. Questions about the political purpose of lockdown in your eyes for example given lockdowns certainly aren't in the interests of capitalism. I realise you have no answers and removed the post as just too much that's all.



Anyway I'm clearer now on your answer from my POV of course


Yes they are right, you are humiliating yourself.

I do not believe covid is a hoax.
I believe that the methods imposed are over-reaching. Then I have visions that tell me stories. If others have the perception that I am losing my mind I dont care. What I care about is if I am actually losing my mind because of what I am seeing.
I have gone to therapy with a healer and life coach. She doesnt think.i am losing my mind but I still question everything.

 

[Trojina]

I never called covid a hoax.
You have politicized actual psychic visions I am having because shriiiieeeeeeeeeek.
The more you post, the more I realize that not only your readings are completely biased and non technical, based on your political vision of the world but that you are insulting as well.

If you think lockdown was only implemented as a political means of oppression, and you did say that here........

When Covid began, I called it a biological weapon. I foresaw lockdowns. It scared me but not because of the virus itself. I saw all media as propaganda. Left right all of it. I saw through a veil...before all this began, I had an awakening and began to see things to the point that I freaked people out. Then they opened society up and I told people that the lockdown would happen again, and again...virus has nothing to do with it. It is manipulation into mass psychosis..they thought I was crazy.

...then it follows you think there was no good reason for lockdown and if you think there was no good reason for lockdown then it logically does follow you do not and did not see Covid as a dangerous virus that spread rapidly and killed. That's why I asked if you believed in Covid at all.


If you don't think Covid is a hoax and you think it's real then you will know it is a highly infectious virus and the reason for lockdown would be absolutely blindingly apparent. However you hold to the view that as you said above the virus had nothing to do with lockdown.

So perhaps you could share your ideas for dealing with the virus then ? I mean lockdown did help curtail the virus but you think it was unnecessary and 'propaganda' so I am wondering what you would have done if you were running a country ?

You have politicized actual psychic visions I am having because shriiiieeeeeeeeeek.

This is where you are getting really confused. You are the one saying lockdown is a political act not me.

Just read your own post, you made it totally political

I understood through a life coach and healer that I just may have some skill in "seeing".
When Covid began, I called it a biological weapon. I foresaw lockdowns. It scared me but not because of the virus itself. I saw all media as propaganda. Left right all of it. I saw through a veil...before all this began, I had an awakening and began to see things to the point that I freaked people out. Then they opened society up and I told people that the lockdown would happen again, and again...virus has nothing to do with it. It is manipulation into mass psychosis..they thought I was crazy. It happened. Then they announced vaccines. Behind the scenes they were building "quarantine camps". Then I said we will not be able to travel freely. This is a precursor into something much bigger. They will segregate the vaxxed with the unvaxxed...etc...I made a whole bunch of other predictions. Including the vaccine passports because i saw it...I saw the landscape. I saw the segregation and discrimination.

I think Covid is a virus and the only political thing to do with it is how it was handled. As far as I can tell you're lucky enough to live in a country with fairly robust humanitarian values. Other countries are not so lucky with few vaccines available and less protection all round. So you really do not have a leg to stand on when you say I am politicizing. It is annoying that you have the luxury of living in a developed country with protection in place such as lockdown and yet you misconstrue humanitarian goals such as saving life into some giant plot to er manipulate people 'into mass psychosis'. It hasn't worked this idea about mass psychosis has it, people are as sane as they ever were. You need to know what the 'psychosis' means before throwing it around so casually. It is total lack of connect to reality. Everyone around me is going about business as usual I see no mass psychosis. You do seem to have lost some connection to reality although I cannot judge whether you are psychotic.

The more you post, the more I realize that not only your readings are completely biased and non technical, based on your political vision of the world but that you are insulting as well.

Where do you get this stuff about 'technical' from I wonder. There was nothing 'technical' about your interpretation, doing I Ching readings is not a technical business.

At least I offered an interpretation.

 

[Trojina]

I do not believe covid is a hoax.
I believe that the methods imposed are over-reaching. Then I have visions that tell me stories. If others have the perception that I am losing my mind I dont care. What I care about is if I am actually losing my mind because of what I am seeing.
I have gone to therapy with a healer and life coach. She doesnt think.i am losing my mind but I still question everything.

You say you question everything but do you question why you think lockdown is of benefit to any government ? It's not financially beneficial to any country to have lockdown so what other benefits to the governments of all nations do you see ?

And this stuff about 'mass psychosis' it has no basis does it, there isn't a mass psychosis it's just a term rather lightly used here.

 

[dfreed]

I'm asking if you have any reaction to my post, no. 5, above, which is my interpretation? .... And again, you do not have to answer if you don't want to!

And I'm still opening to hearing what you have to say about this, after you dig into my response in more detail.

Where in the hexagram does it say this?

You can find more details about my interpretation in Post 13, above. Let me know if you have any questions about it.

"Man branded with his nose cut off" translates to cutting one's nose to spite one's face?

I suppose that works as well, but no, that's not what I'm saying. The line reads: "man branded with his nose cut off" - If I (or you) were that man and I felt this about myself - even if it's not real - I too would feel crazy. Wouldn't you?

It WAS you (me) who got political. @trojina sorry. I was stupid enough not to wear my glasses. AND
I do not believe covid is a hoax.

Since you are not being political, you can just leave aside the 'political' part of my interpretation if you want to. But I feel 'hoax' is a pretty good four-letter word to describe what you are saying here.

Most of what you are saying about 'your vision' I've heard before - sometimes many, many times before! And much of these other people's 'visions' - which sound sooooo much like yours - do mix politics in with their 'vision': people talk about being '5D' (just like you do) and also about the Mayan Calendar, and astrology, and also how a certain ex-president of my nation will lead the 'great awakening' ... etc. etc.

And all these 'visions' have at least one thing in common: a sense of fear and 'victimhood' - that people (e.g. here in the US, it's 'the deep state', or China, or the Democrats) are out to get them.

So, I hope you will forgive me if I've mixed in a bit of politics in my interpretation, or that I don't think your 'vision' is as original and personal as you think it is: What you are saying (and believe in) is a miss-mash of many things others have been saying on the internet for quite a while now ...

... and this makes me wonder, where exactly did you get this 'original' vision of yours? I can take a wild guess; it's an eight-letter word, starting with 'I' and ending in 'net' - and in my "vision" I see you getting caught in a net, a trap, that's been set by others, and you don't even know you've been caught in it!

So it seems my 'vision' of our world is quite different than yours, in part because I don't base my reality on what I'm seeing and reading on the internet, nor what a 'life coach' is telling me - and I considered all that when I did an interpretation of whether you are losing your mind - or not.

Regards, D

PS - perhaps (but only maybe?) waxing political again - and you can ignore it if you want to:

They have just opened up the border between our two countries, and I am anxious to visit soon, ay? (Despite how 'repressive' Canada has become, at least according to you!) I love the First Nations' (indigenous Canadians) exhibits at both the Anthropology Museum at Univ. of British Columbia in Vancouver, and the BC Provincial Museum in Victoria. At the BC museum they have an exhibit about how smallpox and other diseases decimated the First Nation's people, killing up to 90% of them in some places. It's too bad they weren't vaccinated against smallpox - though that wouldn't have stopped the cultural and social repression they faced.

So, when you talk about your 'repression' - sorry, but my fiddle - playing a sad tune for you - is not very big!

 

[peterg]

Pizzabec awesome.
I originally wrote 'pizzabec's words are awesome' in reference to her earlier posts in this thread.
My general impression is I don't see crazy. I see awesome.
I felt from the start that this person has got something and her vision of the world is awe-inspiring.

Dfreed asked what translation/ commentary I used :
The text is a close paraphrase of the word by word Ritsema & Karcher. I used the forward slash / to indicate alternative readings from R&K, Tuck Chang (@ iching123.com), Lynn (@ Labirinto Ermetico download in English), and Bradford's word by word volume 2 (@ hermetica.info ).
(all of which I have in book form).
My commentary is based on the line commentaries from Tuck Chang and Lynn.
I was aware of a silver lining to 38.3 since way back.
I went with the R&K take on nose- cut : loss of public face or honour.
(I have other books too. Mainly the old school old reliables Legge and Wilhelm. Alfred Huang. Minford. And a wildcard Takashima).
(I will leave the 5D thing for another time maybe, if I ever figure out what the point is).

 

[dfreed]

I don't see crazy. I see awesome .... I will leave the 5D thing for another time maybe, if I ever figure out what the point is.

Well, I guess we have different interpretations. And as far as the '5D thing', that is central to the craziness I'm seeing here. But I may have a different 'interpretation' of 5D than pizzab does. I better check.

 

[surnevs]

All I can say is WOW.
I had to share this because it answered me without answering me but it answered me.
So I will try to explain the context.
Certain events have occured and based on those events, I am able to see a certain landscape ahead and I can see beneath certain superficialities of this reality. To me, it is clear as day.
To others, it is not. They have opposing views in the complete opposite direction. So now, I clearly see my landscape, and I clearly see the others' point of view and even see how they view me while I see the landscape ahead. So their point of view is literally making me question my own sanity. What if I have gone crazy? What if I've gone off the deep end? Are they right? Am i just humiliating myself?
So I asked Yi, am I losing my mind?
I read Hillary's interpretation and I was like whoh:

"Opposing' describes irreducible differences – desires, motivations and especially ways of seeing that diverge from one another. 'Opposing' people see differently even when they're looking at the same scene; they are utterly strange to each other, as if they came from different planets. With an inner state of 'Opposing', you contain mutually contradictory impulses – like two siblings under one roof – or see from two angles at once. You might see things not only for what they are, but also for what they mean, as if they were omens.
In small affairs, this kind of difference of view means good fortune. It's a challenge, a source of comedy, or a creative stimulus. In matters of great personal importance, though, where people's sense of identity is threatened by a different way of seeing, it will stir up survival instincts and trigger conflict. If you can scale matters down to 'small affairs', it becomes much easier to give space to both visions".

The response was so 4D for me..I'm blown away. I had to share this.

Thank You for sharing this experience pizzabec. The discussion that arose from it I can't follow (If ? it were meant to be discussed....)

 

[dfreed]

And yes I meant 5D.

Pizzabec, I have my own interpretation of what it means when someone talks about '5D'.

But since I don't want to make any assumptions, can you tell me what you mean when you say '5D'?

And do you think that others of us here - myself, Trojina, Irfan, PeterG, etc. - also have this 5D quality, and that it is informing our interpretations as well?

 

[pizzabec]

Pizzabec awesome.
I originally wrote 'pizzabec's words are awesome' in reference to her earlier posts in this thread.
My general impression is I don't see crazy. I see awesome.

Dfreed asked what translation/ commentary I used :
The text is a close paraphrase of the word by word Ritsema & Karcher. I used the forward slash / to indicate alternative readings from R&K, Tuck Chang (@ iching123.com), Lynn (@ Labirinto Ermetico download in English), and Bradford's word by word volume 2 (@ hermetica.info ).
(all of which I have in book form).
My commentary is based on the line commentaries from Tuck Chang and Lynn.
I was aware of a silver lining to 38.3 since way back.
I went with the R&K take on nose- cut : loss of public face or honour.
(I have other books too. Mainly the old school old reliables Legge and Wilhelm. Alfred Huang. Minford. And a wildcard Takashima).
(I will leave the 5D thing for another time maybe, if I ever figure out what the point is).

I just got off zoom with my life coach.
She doesnt see crazy either. She actually interpreted my visions as seeing all the illusions because it is exactly what I asked from the universe. I want to see all of it. So naturally, you get what you asked for. Truth and lies and the whole kit and kaboole. It left me feeling confused and dizzy as I see many veins and paths and possibilities...I also made certain events incredibly significant...events that have nothing to do with my path.
I no longer give a rat's ass how people view me as she helped me gain tremendous clarity.
I do however wish to learn the Iching further.

 

[dfreed]

She actually interpreted my visions as seeing all the illusions because it is exactly what I asked from the universe. I want to see all of it.

That's good. I still want to know - but only if you want to share with us - what do you mean by '5D' and do you think that I have this same level of consciousness?

D.

 

[dfreed]

I am looking at events that will happen within the next 6-8 months.

It probably just my morbid curiosity, but I looked through your earlier posts and I just have have to ask:

As above, what is '5D' and do you think I have it?

When Covid began, I called it a biological weapon: from the point of view of nature, all harmful viruses and bacteria are 'weapons' - ebola, smallpox, polio, AIDS, the flu ..... But on a human scale, this implies someone created a weapon and released it for a specific reason. Whom do you think did this, and why?

Behind the scenes they were building "quarantine camps": and you know this for a fact, and you can provide me directions to where these camps are located? I'd like to visit one and see for myself.

I saw the segregation and discrimination: we've been having segregation and discrimination for a few hundred thousand years, and 400 or so years on this continent, ever since us white folk got here. In Canada you sent First Nations children off to boarding schools and did not allow native peoples their language, religion or culture. Here in the US we made black people slaves, and then we supposedly 'freed' them, but we continued to segregate and discriminate against them - which is what BLM is all about. So, it doesn't take a great vision to see segregation and discrimination - it's not rocket science.

I see ... the removal of liberties etc: the US and Canada have been humming along pretty much as usual for a few hundred years, and we've had the same struggles and arguments over our 'rights' and our 'liberties' for just as long. And if enough of us get vaccinated so we can end COVID, we'll all go back to our same struggles as before - and no one will have to issue special passports or erect special camps.

But now you're saying the Canadian government wants to all of a sudden 'remove' your liberties. Why? For what purpose?

If 'they' (whomever the hell 'they' are) remove too many of your liberties, you won't be able to get coffee and donuts at Tim Hortons. And if they do the same here, who is going to buy all the crap from China that's sitting on ships, that they can't unload fast enough? I don't think our governments want that, and why would China want to cut into their customer base? They want us to be free to buy more crap, not less.

So, who gains anything by removing your 'liberties'? And why would they do this?

I see the schism of society: I've seen that all of my life, but at least here in the US, it has gotten much deeper and wider thanks to our former president and those who want to re-install him to power.

*** So, since you have a 5D, more inclusive vision, I hope you can enlighten me about all these things that you are seeing - and that I've asked about here.

Best, D.