Hexagram 44

[kaelin]

Hi, all

I have been getting Hex. 44 in response to questions about my career and vocation repeatedly, and I'm a little confused.

What I'd like your input on is not my particular reading, but why the Yi considers this hexagram so negative.

Any thoughts?

 

[Trojina]

have you looked at the hexagram index under search ? theres quite alot on 44 and this question on the forum, somewhere

 

[sooo]

Possibly the most controversial and debated hexagram on this board.

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[kaelin]

thanks, it's helpful to know

others are wrestling with it too!

I went back and read some fascinating debates/discussions on this topic--

thanks for replying

and for those of you in the UK, may you and yours keep safe

 

[seethis]

I think it is only subjectively perceived as a negative hexagram but objectively it is not. You didn't say whether you had a changing line, so I assume it was unchanging. It generally seems to deal with temptation and at the same time with desire which also leads to the birth of the new heir. It advises not to give into desire but also not to supress it but simply to be concious of its powerfullness. That you got it repeatetly in relation to the question of a change of career perhaps means that you have great potential but at the same time the hexagram might invite you to be a little laid back about it and wait and see until you know what you really want. The desire for a change of career and vocation is perhaps not enough to actually go ahead and take action. It therefore mean that change is right on your doorstep and that you simply need to hold on to your faculties of reason in order to find out what you are going to do next. Perhaps also something is coming towards you which is very seductive and you might be a little scared to actually consider this. Whatever it is, the result it is most likely not negative but rather an opportunity of great inner challenge. Good luck!

 

[sooo]

The other day I was pondering what the male equivalent of 44 would be, and chose 26. This was influenced in no small way by the trigram dynamics. In 44, heaven (father) holds back the wind (great sister). In 26, mountain (young brother) holds heaven beneath it. In both cases, great power is restrained.

 

[heylise]

Another interesting counterpart for 44 is 43, its paired hexagram. Holding up something, speaking up, or a sexual image. Yang actions.
And maybe the image which carries a warning for females (don't make war), like 44 does for males.

 

[sooo]

Another interesting counterpart for 44 is 43, its paired hexagram. Holding up something, speaking up, or a sexual image. Yang actions.
And maybe the image which carries a warning for females (don't make war), like 44 does for males.

I like what you say, about 43/44 as a natural pair. However, I'd think that 44's warning is not "don't make war with her" but "don't make love with her." Babies often make marriages, and 44 clearly says not to marry the woman - which can be literal or a symbolic emotional attachment. Therefore, not grasping the woman and not marrying the woman refer to the same, I believe. Making war isn't necessary to not become inseparable from her, but making an heir with her is a sure way to become bound to her proud and gusty ways.

 

[rodaki]

just adding a thought here, that it's more likely 43 happens after the outbreak . . the fight is over, now it's time to fix the damages. 44, same image turned upside down, don't get too engaged with all the upheaval, each one bandage the wounds and care for what's around the corner . .

 

[heylise]

I was rather thinking along the lines of "don't make war with him". For an enduring healthy relation (or not entering into an unhealthy one), it is often the woman who masters (or should learn to) the art of not making war. There are innumerable occasions for it, and 43 gives valuable advice how to speak up (which is a good and necessary thing) without needing any arms.

Like 44 being good advice for a man how to deal with a woman. Not defending himself, but making the exchange or relation a success, or avoiding it if it is not a good idea.

 

[sooo]

So as not to get stuck to the literal she-ism and he-ism, I think it's often more workable to symbolically refer to the woman as being ones own powerful feelings (usually feelings of entitlement, that of being denied something important), and refers to the better part of man (prince) as being the directing rational and disciplined thought process, which decides his direction, announcing it to the four winds. Not even a prince can control which way the wind blows, but he can issue his own commands to himself.

 

[charly]

So as not to get stuck to the literal she-ism and he-ism, I think it's often more workable to symbolically refer to the woman as being ones own powerful feelings (usually feelings of entitlement, that of being denied something important), and refers to the better part of man (prince) as being the directing rational and disciplined thought process, which decides his direction, announcing it to the four winds. Not even a prince can control which way the wind blows, but he can issue his own commands to himself.

Hi, Bruce:

I thinked so for many years, now I'm not sure.

I don't trust that the BETTER PART OF A MAN be rational and disciplined, even more, I believe it's mainly irrational and undisciplined.

H.44 have many contextual issues about which is that part and maybe it is less difficult for a man to control the way the wind blows than to get obedience from his better part. Of course, when the results are good the man feels himself like a prince.

The word for PRINCE in H.44 is HOU, which primary meaning, Schuessler says , was HEAD or ANY PERSON ACTIG LIKE A HEAD, say, a CHIEF, not necessarily a King, a Prince or a Ruler and applicable to men an women. One of the actual meaning of HOU is QUEEN.

I always wandered why Wilhelm/Baynes rendered the chinese word meaning to give, to grant, to bestow as TO DISSEMINATE whose etymological meaning is SPREADING SEMEN.

But that's another story.

All the best,


Charly

 

[bella10388]

Possibly the most controversial and debated hexagram on this board.

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Such a very amazing link!

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