Hexagram 46/11

[nancywarren]

I've had an interest in the IChing and worked at divination on my own for twenty years at least. How wonderful to discover this site!

I've enquired about someone I see frequently "out and about" who happens to be friendly and kind with everyone, making it difficult to know if any conversation or contact we may have is "special" or not.

My question was "his feelings about me and a possible relationship?" The reply from IChing was 46, changing line one, with the outcome hexagram 11. Which sounds like something moving forward in the changing line. But, in this context, what does PEACE mean?

 

[knotxx]

Sometimes 11 is translated as "Flow" instead of peace - it is about heaven and earth flowing together in harmony. And 46.1 suggests efforts or advances that are greeted with welcome. Sounds nice to me.

 

[nancywarren]

Thank you Knot for that, this makes more sense in terms of a relationship and sounds encouraging. On the 46.1 side of the equation, I just read an interpretation of the 46 hexagram as "cultivation" stating that changing line 46/1 is aimed at "balancing" or "neutralizing," whereas I have always visualised the first line as a shoot sprouting through. In this case, I suppose I want to know if this relationship will go beyond random friendly contacts. That's what I was focused on in doing the reading. The idea of neutralisation sounds not promising at all.

 

[knotxx]

I just read an interpretation of the 46 hexagram as "cultivation" stating that changing line 46/1 is aimed at "balancing" or "neutralizing,"

Hm. I have never seen that take. Glancing at a few translations of 46.1 I have at hand, I see "welcomed advance," "advance with consent," "advancing together," and "sincere ascending." The latter by the way is Stephen Karcher, and he adds "You have been recognized. People have become aware of your value. Now all the doors are open to you."

All of them seem to have in common the idea that your efforts or purpose are joined with someone else, who has the same purpose.

 

[nancywarren]

So, all in all, this strikes me as very positive. Sometimes, you just want to be sure you're not kidding yourself. Karcher sounds quite definitive on this though.

 

[nancywarren]

One further question on this. Does anyone have an opinion on what type of relationship 46 or 11 normally refer to; I mean in the way that 13, 31, 32 and 53 are often characterised as particular kinds of social connections? Or is this more like the 8 of union, and more generic? Or is this something different and distinct?

 

[charly]

... Does anyone have an opinion on what type of relationship 46 or 11 normally refer to...

Nancy:

Beware, all depends on you and your goals. It could be a relation of high commitment, you can get pregnant.

I'm speaking whithout knowing enough, only looking at the chinese text:

H.36 升 sheng1: to go up / to raise / to promote / to climb /

• It sounds the same as 生 SHENG, life, nature, to give birth,
• anciently it meant 乘 CHENG to mount, to ride, to drive, to take advantage
• in chinese slang to climb a mountain means to have sexual intercourse

H.36 says:
Prime feast. Use to meet the big man. Don't worry. Southern journey lucky.

36.1:
允 yun3: to permit / to allow /
升 sheng1: to go up / to raise / to promote / to climb /
大 da4: big / large / great /
吉 ji2: fortunate / lucky /

ALLOWING TO GO UP. BIG LUCK.

H.11
泰 TAI means peaceful, great, arrogant (1)
H. 11 says: Peace. Small goes, great comes. Lucky feast.
The trigrams are: female up, male down.

Best whishes,

Charly


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(1)

泰 ...
(1) Peaceful, calm, healthy: 國泰民安 a contented people living in a country at peace: 天地交泰 celestial and terrestrial forces in harmony, i.e. peaceful and prosperous times;
...
(2) Arrogant: 驕泰 proud and arrogant; 泰侈 extravagant.
(3) Great, grand...

From: Lin Yutang Dictionary
At: http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/cgi-bin/agrep-lindict?query=%ae%f5&category=wholerecord

 

[Trojina]

One further question on this. Does anyone have an opinion on what type of relationship 46 or 11 normally refer to; I mean in the way that 13, 31, 32 and 53 are often characterised as particular kinds of social connections? Or is this more like the 8 of union, and more generic? Or is this something different and distinct?

I think we are meant to bear in mind the meaning of the whole hexagram and read the lines in relation to that. If 46 is roughly speaking to do with advancement, effort, promotion, pushing through onwards and upwards then 46.1 looks like someone giving you a helping hand in terms of getting where you want to go. Most often that is how its played out for me anyway. Someone enabling you, giving you access, welcoming you but implied in that is the idea they are already there and possibly above you. So its to do with aspiration i think, some kind of learning situation where the teacher in whatever form they take is more than happy to have you along and help to cultivate your strengths to reach your goals. The realtionship seems instrumental in attaining some goal..its usually not just for the sake of the relationship itself IMO

 

[elvis]

.... I just read an interpretation of the 46 hexagram as "cultivation" stating that changing line 46/1 is aimed at "balancing" or "neutralizing," whereas I have always visualised the first line as a shoot sprouting through. In this case, I suppose I want to know if this relationship will go beyond random friendly contacts. That's what I was focused on in doing the reading. The idea of neutralisation sounds not promising at all.

Which interpretation was that? Here is the EIC take on hexagram 46

(1) cultivation is the property of the trigram of wind in the lower position. Thus 46 can be read, using the trigrams reading bottom to top, "with cultivation comes absolute trust in another/others (aka dual-mindedness)" This is summarised in the focus on getting more entangled.

(2) hexagram 11 is about mediation skills allowing for establishing harmony/balance, it is NOT about neutralising, hexagram 12 is about neutralising.

From the EIC perspective, interpreting a line position change, 46 to 11 covers a situation described by 46 that is changing into 11 as a response to that situation. There is the indication of a possible issue with getting unconditionally entangled to start with (a values focus) and so a need to apply some mediation to ensure a balanced/harmonised movement in advancing any relationship (deal with some facts first)

If we then use the I Ching as a language to review the properties of hexagram 46, its inner content, finer detail shows us that in the I Ching line position 1 is controlled by hexagram 24 with its focus on beginnings/rebeginnings (a cycle repeat - so your focus on a shoot is valid and covers the lower trigram of thunder).

The expression of 24 in a context of 46 is again described by hexagram 11 - the initial steps therefore cover this focus on mediation that starts off the process - the 'beginnings' of 46, its 24-ness, are described by analogy to the generic characteristics of hexagram 11 - to get entangled begins with some mediation focused on harmony/balance. (there is symmetry here where the reverse is also true, for hexagram 11, ITS beginnings are described by analogy to the generic characteristics of 46 - the qualitative differences are in the term 'generic')

 

[nancywarren]

Wow, a huge amount of material here, and from the basic natural instincts to the sublime. And I appreciate the caution Charly gives. If that is a meaning in a social sense I think in this case it's mainly to do with attraction, which I believe is certainly there, but not in any overt way. And this is certainly someone, as I mentioned, who is unerringly kind to other people and extremely thoughtful. The "hand up" is certainly something I can imagine easily as well. That's really a natural sort of gesture for him, even though the idea of a goal eludes me a bit. I suppose, in a way, we are both supportive, both of us having lost a spouse prematurely and needing to right ourselves and find a new course in life. The EIC interpretations are fascinating and so complex, with all those interrelated hexagrams. I'm amazed if you can follow the whole thing as I have to struggle with it a bit. The starting a new cycle makes great sense though, doesn't it? This is exactly where we both are. So 11 isn't the neutralising one, but harmonising. Well, at this stage of life there's plenty of that to do. Especially in relation to the past and how you combine so much life and experience and make a new common beginning. I can definitely see that. I believe THAT is the biggest deterrent to all of it, thinking it may be just TOO dificult. And then there's the impetus Charly mentions which, I don't know if it's all about sex drive, so much as the drive to be with someone else. Somebody said to me the other day that human beings aren't made to be solo, because everybody needs, at the least, a witness to their life to give it meaning. This rang true. It's what seems to make the risks and difficulties worth considering. No?

 

[nancywarren]

I'm just re-reading the posts. You are all just brilliant, really, putting all these pieces together. Great insights, each and every one Thank you.

 

[ginnie]

I think of a hex 46 situation as meaning you are not going to leap from Point A to the top of it in one jump or anytime soon, in terms of a relationship. It will be going step by step by step . . .

I think that freeing yourself from the bad memories of the past will be part of this.

Quite possibly, you and he will be instrumental in helping each other rise step by step out of the sadness of the divorces.

 

[nancywarren]

Thank you Ginnie. Actually our spouses both died unexpectedly at relatively early ages. Having previous families makes a big difference too in how you go forward. We are both truly family oriented but now on our own in it all and I think both a bit at a loss. Adding children -- even mostly grown ones -- to the situation can be complex for lots of reasons.

I follow your take on 46 because I always thought of it as sprouting, which means it has a way to go to be anything recognisable. However, Charly's description is opposite of that and makes sense ~ more like growth of bamboo. Maybe it can be either way depending on WHAT is sprouting, what manner of relationship you are planning to create, as he said. Something "entangled" at all levels, not just physical, is going to take more doing.

 

[ginnie]

I think of Hexagram 46 as being more like a staircase you'll need to climb step by step. The progress will be in small increments, as if they were steps.

 

[SMF2004]

Hi Ginnie, May I trouble you with a questions about what happened between you two?, thanks

I have a similar situation and I got the same combination, which I thought initially it was very promising and after reading all this thread I think we have hope to move this initial stage into a "formal" relation step by step, working our way up into that ladder.

 

[ginnie]

Hi Ginnie, May I trouble you with a questions about what happened between you two?, thanks

Hi SMF. Unfortunately this was not my thread. It was started by nancywarren. I hope she will come back and tell us what happened!