Hexagram 6.0 Conflict

[rosada]

One of the benefits of writing the words out is one notices things you may have overlooked before:

"Even if by CHANCE a leather belt..." hmm..this makes me recall that things which are our own by right of conciousness cannot be taken away, but if we win just because we are lucky, the victory will not last.

"By the end of the morning.." Well at least we wont have to suffer all day!

"..snatched away three times." Somehow this reminds me of the story of the disciple (Peter?) telling Jesus he would never deny him and Jesus telling him he would deny him even before the cock crowed three times. Or something like that.

 

[bruce_g]

One belt taken away three times. Sounds like a real doozy of a contest! A tenacious scrapper this one must have been. His wall and shelves are now full of trophies, but he suffers brain damage from having his lights punched out one too many times. There's got to be a better way than this.

 

[nicky_p]

What's the alternative I wonder?
Does he fight to keep what was given to him? Does he yield? Or can they share?

 

[nicky_p]

That way don't you have to fight not to fight?

 

[bruce_g]

What's the alternative I wonder?
Does he fight to keep what was given to him? Does he yield? Or can they share?

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. But if you had to do it over again, there might be a better way. Patience and indifference are also formidable companions.

 

[bruce_g]

That way don't you have to fight not to fight?

Good question! I think that is exactly what 6.6 is about: a fight that you can't outright win in the end. Can the conflict be avoided? I think many times it can be. But is that always really the healthiest thing to do? I don't think so. I think we need to sometimes fight for what we believe. The question is, how far do we take the fight? When is it right to compromise? Seems like 5 was a good place. Quit while you're ahead, so to speak.

 

[lightofreason]

6.6
Even if by chance a leather belt is bestowed on one,
By the end of the morning
It will have been snatched away three times.

6.6 : with/from compromising comes enclosing (forced, willingly or unwillingly).

The emphasis on something being wrapped around you and so enclosing you is covered in the focus on 47. The line comment goes on:

Line 6
"A price is paid for continuing to fight until victory, for one now one has a reputation and there are many others who wish to do battle."

The belt being a sign of achievement becomes an attractor of competitors and so forcing combat whereas the focus on 6 is to in fact compromise - meet the enemy half way, no more, no less.

The 47-ness of 06 is expressed in:

010110
010111
--------
000001 - 23 - enclosure is expressed in compromise through pruning, housekeeping, cutting things back to basics, removing all of the chaff (and so those belts!). 47 covers enclosure as a use of forcing a tree's roots to go deep and so integrate with the context. In 06 that integration is described by analogy to 23 where keeping it 'simple' and 'basic', stick to the essentials, is the way to go.

 

[lightofreason]

the focus on 6 is to in fact compromise - meet the enemy half way, no more, no less.

When working with the binary model, 06 is opposed at the general level by 36 where 36 represents the uncompromising.

Due to the 'fractal' nature of the binary sequence, we can read the octet of water-based hexagrams in the same manner, thus:

07,04,29,59,40,64,47,06

...and so locally 06 is opposited by 07. In 07 we have the POTENTIAL, in 06 its actualisation - but note that any Army is initially to protect and so work as an agent of deterent - meet the enemy at the border, no more, no less. (water serves as representing contractive bounding, to keep something in or out)

 

[rosada]

I popped in "by chance" to have my haircut on a day I had received 6.6. My usual person was not available so another barber stepped in. I was delighted with the results, but my joy was snatched away when he charged me about a third more than I anticipated (should have more "carefully considered the beginning" of this transaction.) I snatched it back by not tipping.

 

[nicky_p]

Seems like 5 was a good place. Quit while you're ahead, so to speak.

Sorry was that line 5 or hexagram 5? And quit what exactly please - posting? And ahead of who?

 

[bruce_g]

Sorry was that line 5 or hexagram 5? And quit what exactly please - posting? And ahead of who?

I meant, line 5 is the best place/time to quit contending, rather than pushing onward to line 6.

 

[nicky_p]

Aha! Then I appologise for the misunderstanding. And admit to feeling prodded with this one:

Once you've gotten trounced in 6.6, you'll need to gather, organize and lead your forces in a more unified manner.

I get a little touchy with this one - to fight or not to fight when they're taking things away from you? It's a dilemma!

:bows:

 

[bruce_g]

Aha! Then I appologise for the misunderstanding. And admit to feeling prodded with this one:



I get a little touchy with this one - to fight or not to fight when they're taking things away from you? It's a dilemma!

:bows:

"They" the establishment, "you" the hero who ventures out beyond the limits they set for you. To contend or yield? That's the question, yes? I believe it's right to fight for what's truly yours if you use the right weapons. I like Brad's idea of the Swiss Army knife for hex. 7. The goal is to exist, to survive intact, not to fight for sake of fighting or winning.

 

[nicky_p]

"They" the establishment, "you" the hero who ventures out beyond the limits they set for you.

Sometimes the establishment...sometimes parental or authority figures or just people that are bigger than you.

To contend or yield? That's the question, yes?

yup

I believe it's right to fight for what's truly yours if you use the right weapons.The goal is to exist, to survive intact, not to fight for sake of fighting or winning.

The weapons depend on the game you've entered. Sometimes you don't even know you've been entered into it and sometimes you don't know all the rules. And some people break the 'rules'. Unfortunately sometimes winning and surviving is the same thing?

 

[Trojina]

I get a little touchy with this one - to fight or not to fight when they're taking things away from you? It's a dilemma!

:bows:

As we've gone through this hexagram my understanding of it has changed. I'm seeing it now not so much as actual conflict but indecision as in Nickys quote above. I'm seeing the conflict more as the inner conflict of uncertainty. When do you fight, when are you really threatened ? I think it is a dilemma yes, always a dilemma before an actual war. I'm remembering how Chamberlain assured britain just before WW2 there would be ..'peace in our time" after his talk with Hitler, then that assurance was broken, compromise not possible, no option but war. Reminds me of the leather belt won then lost straight away.

Generally timings essential, defend too soon and you create more trouble, exacerbate the problem. Defend too late and you've contributed to the devastation by not even trying to stop it.

7 has to be the time to make the decision.

 

[rosada]

6.1 Just walk on by.
6.2 Leave the area completely.
6.3 You know better than to get involved.
6.4 Be the bigger man.
6.5 Let the courts decide.
6.6 Oh boy, here we go again.

Looking at all the ways 6. suggests one can avoid conflict, yet we end with more conflict still, makes me think that hex. 7 will be as much about SELF discipline as it is gathering an army for war.

 

[hilary]

In 6 we feel things are not as they should be. Maybe this comes out as inner unease/ indecision or maybe as boiling indignation. Either way, it doesn't matter how right we are if we're in no position to do anything about it. (Plus in some lines there may not be quite the need to Do Something that we imagine.) I think 7 happens when the sense that something is not right becomes the focus for action instead of mere protest.

 

[rosada]

I'm not competely satisfied with my understanding of 5>6>7, but perhaps a sence of dissatisfaction is what the I Ching is telling us is to be expected at this point!

 

[rosada]

Thinking about 6 some more..I woke up this morning with a feeling of elation as I realized we would be beginning a new hexagram today. Then I got a visual of a flock of sheep all gathering around the head lamb who was following a shepard. Seemed to fit rather nicely with the idea of 7. The Army being a group lead by a general who is being led by the ruler. Taking this image and backtracking it seems now to me that 4 is the baby lamb, 5 is the green pastures where the sheep rest and frolic until the herd is ready to migrate, and 6 could be the jousting for position amongst the young bucks. 6.5 then would mean ultimately one of the herd is recognized as the leader, but 6.6 indicates that there is always some new kid waiting to challenge the leader.
6. seems to me about inner conflict, whether it's within the self, or amongst the other members of one's own tribe, wrestling to see what we value most, what our central theme is going to be, what are we living for? What is worth dying for? These questions cannot be satisfactorily answered just in theory. That is, though the decision may be awarded to one sheep or one theory over the other, 6.5, but to stay on top and in control the sheep or the idea is now going to have to prove itself workable. 7.The Army, would then I think be showing us how we can organize all our conflicting ideas, values, opinions in away that allows us to move forward, and it's not going to be by quietly acquiesing to someone else's dictates, but by putting our own ideas into practice and seeing what works.

 

[Trojina]

Thinking about 6 some more..I woke up this morning with a feeling of elation as I realized we would be beginning a new hexagram today. .

Aaah Rosada sounds like being on 6 was getting you down, phew never mind we're out of it now. you can chill now, lol

I saw a programme about this guy who has the ability to calculate pie to a thousand places (or something like that, maths is my weak spot). He has more relationship with numbers than anything else which can be typically autistic characteristic though he was not autistic. Anyway he could do this because he sees each number as a distinct shape and colour, they are really alive to him , he doesn't need to think or calculate, he just sees the numbers. He says some very strange things, like 1 is very bright like a glowing light, 2 is a wavy line that veers left, 9 apparently is huge in size and 6, well he says 6 is his least favourite number. He says it is very small and kind of like a vacant spot a black hole. He doesn't imagine this by the way he has always seen them as if they were alive. He was going on about 6 actually, made me think of this.

 

[rosada]

Hex 6 was definitly getting me down, but I also think there's something about hex.7's energy that does feel like a shift from sitting around doing nothing, waiting, bickering and then whoopie, time to line up, we're movin' out!

Oh, further thoughts, those three uninvited guests in line 5.6. We're advised to honor them, but maybe this is why 5 leads to Conflict, 6. Like, who are these uninvited guests and why do I have to share my toys with them?

Trojan, do you know if numbers tend to appear the same to all with this ability? I mean would everyone who sees numbers as alive say 6 is a vacant spot? Seems like it would be worthwhile to make children's counting books using these insights.

 

[Trojina]

The condition is a a kind of synasthesia, no idea if i spelt that right, but its where senses become mixed. Some people might say for example they can smell a sound or hear a taste. This guy who sees the numbers is pretty unique in that he sees a specific shape and colour for all numbers, i think it was up to a thousand (apparently he says 999 is blue) But no I think if you have this ability what you see is not known to be shared with others who have it.

When i was a kid I only learned to count by using the colours on the wooden blocks we had to represent each number. The blue block was 9, hmm weird I can remember those colours years later, so yeah its a great learning aid to give colours numbers and personalities. Ooh I think this is off topic.....

Yeah good point about the 3 uninvited guests in 5,6. Never thought of them before as possibly 'unwanted' rather than uninvited but maybe it amounts to the same thing.

 

[rosada]

Will Conflict never cease?

...seriously though, I'm continuing this thread because it's key message is that "the superior man carefully considers the beginning" and I feel hexagram 7 is about taking what has been carefully considered at the beginning and then carrying it out into the world like marching orders. Thus it's reeeal important we be careful at the beginning. And I'm about to propose Beginning something special here so I'm wanting to be sure most everyone feels comfortable with it so it's natural and no one feels I sprung it on us. If I knew how to do Hilary's poll gaget I'd use it. Since I don't, I'll just annonce what I'm intending to do and invite folks to comment Yea! or Nay! if they choose to:

I am intending to post a notice when we get to 7.2 on " Memorizing the I Ching Thread Hexagram 7." I am going to dedicate our group created I Ching here to the memory of Hilary's father. I feel the I Ching highly revers and recommends acknowledgement of the ancestors and I feel Hilary's father is an ancestor we can all relate to and feel gratitude for. I consulted Hilray about this and she has given us permission, should we so choose to so dedicate this journey.

Thank you for reading this,
Further comments or/and suggestions welcome,
Otherwise, I'll just go ahead with what I've suggested above,

Rosada

 

[Sparhawk]