Hexagram 7.2.3.5 > 52 New Friendship

[EmMacha]

I received this hexagram asking about a new friendship and how to be with him.

I have recently met him through friends and gatherings, and he is visiting me in my house.

We talk about a lot of stuff, spirituality, meditation, healing childhoods, travels.

This man has travelled all over the world, lived through things, found spiritual answers (he does not drink alcohol at all, AA for 8 years)

I am a bit puzzled by this answer, it doesn't seem to fit or make sense!

Is it me that needs to pull myself together and exhibit discipline?

Or does this refer to the group we are part of? It is more a wider movement than a group, he has been connected with rainbow tribe and gatherings for years, whereas I'm more connected with shamanic and Irish spirituality circles.

[FONT=&quot]hexagram: 07 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Shī, legion, leader[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

Gua Poem:
Determination for an army: A respectable man (man with a staff) is auspicious. Without fault.[/FONT]​

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The great image says: Water in the middle of the earth: Legions. The noble one tolerates the common people and watches over the crowds.[/FONT]​

This man told me he love to make the welcome, greet people who come to large rainbow gatherings. He loves to be part of the 'welcome home', which is a beautiful part of the Rainbow Gathering way. The Gua raminds me of him here!

Lines (From LiSe)

9 at 2: To live in the center of the legion. Auspicious. Without fault. The king confers three commands.
[FONT=&quot]Live in the center of what you do or make. Being 'one' with whatever you do is the best way of making it great. It is not possible to organize without being part of it. In order to make it into an organic whole, it has to be part of one's own organism. One cannot 'think' of all the details that have to be done, they have to come natural. [/FONT]
(Changes to hex.2)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Mirror

I would see this as 'Go with it, be part of this experience'

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6 at 3: Maybe the legion carts corpses. Pitfall.
Take extraordinary measures if necessary, but stop with them as soon as they are no longer needed. And ask yourself about whatever occupies your mind, if it is true, relevant, living reality – or obsolete, a ghost, a corpse.
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Here, well, he talks a lot about past trauma, upbringing, difficulties...
Is it good for me to guide the conversation towards new things, towards making something new, alchemising past trauma and wounds?
you know, how to not be swimming in 'trauma consciousness'?[/FONT]​

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Top 6: The great prince has the mandate to found a state and inherit the house. Small people should not be employed.
The things you accomplish have the same value you have yourself. If you are great, you can accomplish great things, if you are small, you achieve only small things.
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Keep the overview?

Does this mean I have to approach this friendship with discipline?
Have a bigger goal in mind, an overview?
I'm still perplexed somewhat!
52 in the background says to me still it, maybe wait and see?

I was hoping the Yi casting would give me an idea of an overview!

Any thoughts?

Thanks everyone

 

[Sun Wukong]

I really messed this up lol. I'll fix it in a bit.
I'm going to have to fix this when I get home from work. If someone else jumps in first, I'll refrain.

 

[EmMacha]

Apologies, it is 7.2.3.6 »hexagram 52 stilling

 

[rosada]

How should you be with him? I think the IC is giving you some very specific immediate advice and that your interpretation of 7.3 is spot on:
7.2/7.3 You two are wanting to manifest your shared high ideals but that won't be possible until you've first cleared the field so don't just go with the flow, intentionally guide the conversation away from trauma consciousness.
7.6 Once you have done this or at least attempted to do this you'll know whether he can drop the old corpses and give the relationship a future and then we'll see what the next step should be. If he can't evolve you may have to lower your expectations of what your connection can be.

 

[EmMacha]

Thank you Sun Wukong, yes your reply is helpful.

Be careful...well, a few days into the visit and I notice, yes I enjoy having him around, and his friendship, but we are in different places, even with discussing similar things.

Line 3, carting corpses...it feels like that with some discussions - he thinks things I used to think, but I just don't see these things the same way anymore. (I have lived amongst these issues and concepts, line 2)

It seems to me that hexagram 7 is about how I marshal, or pull together my own energies and potential, and how his path is different, he does this differently.

He also smokes cannabis, which I do not smoke at all. Actually I am allergic to it, as well as that I just don't like it.
this is a real mis-match for me, in a partner, romantic or lover, it's a no-no for me.

http://taoscopy.com/en/consultation/896886/

7.2.3.6 (7 > 52)

Situation

[FONT=&quot]One has planned to continue despite the resistance.[/FONT]

The formation

7 - The will

[FONT=&quot]To solve their problems, one will need discipline and continuity.[/FONT]

In relation to Taoscopy interpretation here ([FONT=&quot]One has planned to continue despite the resistance)[/FONT], well, I think he is romantically interested in me, and from the beginning, I have been sort of yes, sort of no, more no really.
Having spent a few days, re romance, I am not interested in going there. I know from my inner self that I don't want him as a lover.
I am happy with the friendship though, and it does highlight to me where I need to discipline or pull myself together a bit, but (this is where I see line 6), it also shows me inner work and higher spiritual treasures I have gained.
Line 6 tells me to stay on my own path, to see the value of my inner work over the past few years. Line 6 is telling me that through this interaction, I can see how I have improved my inner will, or, how i might need to.

 

[EmMacha]

How should you be with him? I think the IC is giving you some very specific immediate advice and that your interpretation of 7.3 is spot on:
7.2/7.3 You two are wanting to manifest your shared high ideals but that won't be possible until you've first cleared the field so don't just go with the flow, intentionally guide the conversation away from trauma consciousness.

Thank you, yes that fits, but i notice that he is getting irritated or frustrated with that.
Today, a conversation about Mooji, he was saying "We all need to just be with out true selves, we aren't " & i said "oh no, dont say that… you cant speak for other people, thats what you see! we are all in and out of our true beings all the time, I have met people at the websummit v centred, seen 'spiritual gatherings that are full of fighting"? He had this face on, capitulation of the speaking space, but not listening or agreeing. Many conversations go like that & then there are texts or notes with kisses, the hand on the shoulder...

7.6 Once you have done this or at least attempted to do this you'll know whether he can drop the old corpses and give the relationship a future and then we'll see what the next step should be. If he can't evolve you may have to lower your expectations of what your connection can be.

Ah yes, this also makes sense.
I feel that it is a friendship, I quite like this, there is a spiritual dimension to the friendship.

I dont want romance or a relationship, or sexual intimacy... I would have started to seduce him by now!

Also, I'm not feeling in the right place to start a relationship right now, and even if i was, no not with him... the world is full of free men, i dont have to jump on which ever one comes looking first. Theres a few others floating around also, trying to get me to go to gigs etc.

Re 'lower expectations' do you think I might be expecting too much of this friendship?

His spiritual path is not my spiritual path, I know this; but perhaps i need to listen to him a bit more, hear out his observations?

Maybe I am carrying corpses in regard to having to jump in with answers, instead of letting him talk a bit more (Gemini fault )

 

[rosada]

When I wrote "you may have to lower your expectations of what your connection can be" I was looking at line 7.6 which talks about how after one has won a battle or mastered some challenge one ought to reward those who have helped but one ought not give too much authority to those who can not handle the responsibility. When 7.The Army has completed the mission (line 6 indicates a completion) there is a danger the hard won benefits will be turned over to some fool. (7.6 - 4. Youthful Folly.) So as advice for how to be with your new friend it seemed to me to be saying you should be careful to evaluate just how much potential there is here. If you are not expecting him to be your guru or soulmate you'll probably be a lot more able to tolerate any incompatibilities.
Keeping Still as advice to how to be with him could be a suggestion that you not try to cultivate a friendship but simply get to know him by watching for a while. Perhaps not be too generous in sharing your ideas or perspective especially when it so differs from his. (Learn to say, "That's nice" instead of "That's total B.S.

 

[EmMacha]

Hi Rosada

after one has won a battle or mastered some challenge one ought to reward those who have helped but one ought not give too much authority to those who can not handle the responsibility. When 7.The Army has completed the mission (line 6 indicates a completion) there is a danger the hard won benefits will be turned over to some fool. (7.6 - 4. Youthful Folly.)

Oh yes I get that - I have been thinking; I don't want to join my energy with his, it would be a waste of my hard work; this is not what I am doing all my work for! I'm not doing it for some man some day, but for myself, but if someone comes along that is interesting, I need someone who complements and can work with what I am doing.

I asked the question because he does act like he fancies me...so the question is up in my life "what is a suitable partner for me?". You interpretation of line 6 chimes well with how I am feeling about it. I have been doing a lot of inner work, I have some important spiritual missions to do (create an oracle deck, learn my ancient Irish myths etc); so considering carefully who to "bestow honours" upon is actually very important. I understand this now as someone who actually sees and appreciates me, who understands the battles that have been fought, the work that has been done, someone who can help me pull that together, tie a bow on it and dance into the next chapter.

Actually, in the past, I have made mistakes by giving the honours to fools (like my son's father). Actually, the guy I asked about reminds me of him, on some subconscious level, a few traits, not totally, just that little niggle... it;s a passion killer actually!

So yes, worthwhile advice Rosada, thank you, you have helped me get into the image traditions; I can see that he is a friend, but not a close one now.
It's interesting, without this cast and help here, I don't think I would have gone there with him anyway, but I might have felt more pressured, and got more narky, even a bit cross, so thanks for the advice to learn to say "that's nice"