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sugarlobster

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dear all,

lately i've been considering a change in my behaviour with respect to someone i've been seeing. we have both expressed a liking for each other but it has been me who's kept doing the 'maintenance', keeping in touch, asking to meet, etc.
it's come to a point where i'm uncomfortable with that, on the one hand beacuse i would like him to be more proactive, given that he's said he'd like this to go on, and on the other because i'm beginning to feel afraid that if i stop it will all end, and i don't like feeling like this.
so i've been considering stepping back, so to speak, not in terms of giving up, but to shift the dynamics, and in any case to try and let go of the fear that it's all down to me. if i step back and that means i never see him again, then so be it, it's clearly not important enough for him.
so a couple of days ago, i asked the yi if i should stop doing the 'pushing', create a void, so to speak, and trust him to step in, letting go of the idea that this is only happening because i'm providing the driving force.

the answer was 14.2>30

i now seem to have made up my mind to do that, and asked how that would affect the relationship (subtext, will it be the end of it)

i got 1.1>44

my general take is that the yi's answers support my decision, but i find it hard to interpret the subtleties of the answer, and there seem to be many, so i'd be really grateful for some help.

love,
xx sl
 
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candid

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Hi sugar,

I don't know how many subtleties there actually are in the reading. I'd read it as being in possession of yourself and your methods of communication in your withdrawal. Mobility as the theme of line 2 could suggest being proactive concerning your retraction. You do seem determined and yet are expressing this determination in a polite and effective way.

The result of this by 44 is a regeneration of driving interests, probably mostly in and from him, though the energy will go largely unexpressed, as in 1.1.

This sounds a little edgy but it just might be what it takes to bring out the dragon in him.

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cheiron

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Hi SugarL

(Loved your post on T?ai on the other thread)

Well, I suspect you already have a good handle on your reading ? so, if I may I will offer you something a little different.

Using Karcher?s methods (Total I Ching 2003)

I kept it a little poetic ? You will have to reduce it to words that might resonate ? if they do at all.

14.2 >30

Hx.14 The focus of this time is ? The lady of fate intervenes and through her actions you connect to the creative energy of Hx.1 ? Inspiration; creativity and clear strong action.

The potential is that of being able to successfully make a decision, announce it and break from the past habit. (43) ? And yes there is another Dragon hidden in their too ? oodles of energy to transform things in this reading.)

The nature of this time is of finding harmony in yourself and with others and this leads to a great having.

More particularly your line indicates ?get a plan? and move forward - Your plan will be powerful and effective - you are strong and can act alone with sureness and success.

Through these actions and connections you may complete the cycle from the Creative potential within you and in your space (the beginning of the upper Cannon - Hx.1) and through the changes come to the bright awareness and clinging together at the end of the Upper Cannon in Hx.30 ? Nice one!

But this is not the completion of the time cycle? there is more

Your time in Hx.30 will lead to quite a transformation (sudden not gradual change) which in turn opens the way for you to move to a joyful time when you will come together with the other ? great sobs of joy in fact.

A great homecoming or joining with the other.

So it will come through it seems? wonder what card the Lady will drop in to kick start the process?

By the way ? the key ?theme? that this change is centred upon is 29:30 ? Confronting your fears and so moving from the dark pit in to the illumination of Radiance.

Wishing you the joy to come

--Kevin
 
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cheiron

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And again SugarL

It is interesting that your second reading (also full of Dragon Energy) landed you at 44? (with more dragon energy!)

Are you a Dragon by any chance? !
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1.1 ? The beginning of the time of dragon energy ?take it easy the time isn?t quite here yet? But the potential is there? it comes.

Here I would see Hx.1 as being about transformation ? positive transformation.

43 Was the inspiration pat of 43:44

44 is its manifestation.

Bringing your readings together

From the inspirational action of 43 ? deciding to breaking the pattern, announcing it (most important) you enjoy a breakthrough.

The most important part of the reading - This manifests itself in, err, urmm? the print gets a little faint for me here? <FONT COLOR="808080">Marriage</FONT>?

Now if you ask the Yi again I expect it will make you copy out Hx.4 - 20 times!
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Hugs

--Kevin
 

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Sugarlobster,

If you are looking for romance with this man, my opinion is to dump him
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. He is weak. But the good news is, there is something in it for you.

Resolve whatever anger and resentment you could have lurking below. He probably senses your pressure cooker (anger) and that could make him even more passive.


14: KEY: TEMPERANCE

It is through verifcation and wrath (strong anger, not temper) keywords for Temperance, that the desire for truth rises from within. This process tempers the soul and brings about balance. The angel is a blending of male and female forces, an angel of the Sun, or life force, maintaining perfect balance between the subconscious (one force on water) and the conscious (one foot on land) minds. Social and family obligations can cause peculiar circumstances. Balance is very necessary, and much can be gained through tact and diplomacy. Unless the body and emotions are tempered, the health can suffer. Strengths will be tested.
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cheiron

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Etyrnal

Key:Temperance?

Where are you coming from here?

Sugarlobster may value your opinions. However unless you know each other well opinions most often just load the other person up.

Doing a reading for someone else carries with it a grave responsibility. Because it does involve giving some opinnions about text it also requires great care.

14: Key Temperance? This does not sound like the I Ching. What is it? ? I know of no authoritative text which would support this view.

I find your post uncomfortable in that it was forceful had enormous value judgements which might say more about your taste in men in the first part and then followed on with your idea of what Angels are etc

Well I never met an Angel...Maybe you have and advantage there.

Balance perhaps starts in the need to clear ones own values and beliefs a little before stepping forward to try to help others to see a way forward which works for them?

Or maybe you know each other very well and I am making an assumption here.

In which case I do appologise.

--Kevin
 

lenardthefast

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Hi Kev,

I believe that Etyrnal is speaking of the Tarot trump number 14, which is Temperance. No worries, mate.

Namaste,
Leonard
 
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cheiron

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Thanks Leonard

That confused me.

(I mis edited the post too - first two lines should not have posted)

Sorry Etyrnal did not mean to be so aggressive - those lines were deleted -or were supposed to have been.

--Kevin
 

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hi etyrnal,

well, looks like sweet kevin has said much of what i think about your post.

i appreciate honesty, but it looks to me like you're not really talking about the reading at all, and that you're projecting a whole load of your own stuff onto this - but then again i might be wrong.

of course he's weak - he's human (which is a great advantage in relationships, as far as i can tell - the other person being of the human species too, i mean). i'm weak too, and so are you, no doubt. we all are. and strong, too. that's why i always find it good not to be judgemental about others.

as for anger and resentment, of those i truly have none, and i don't see how you could have possibly read any of that in my post, or even in the yi's answer.

as for 14 being associated with the temperance tarot card - it doesn't make any sense to me, but what do i know.

take care, and thanks for your feedback anyway.
xx sl
 

sugarlobster

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hi candid,

you said:
"I'd read it as being in possession of yourself and your methods of communication in your withdrawal. Mobility as the theme of line 2 could suggest being proactive concerning your retraction."

see, that's one obvious aspect i'd missed, and kevin highlighted it too. making my position explicit, not just stepping back without announcing clearly a shift of gestalt. thanks guys!

also:
"The result of this by 44 is a regeneration of driving interests, probably mostly in and from him, though the energy will go largely unexpressed, as in 1.1."

yes, i can see that. i'd interpreted 1.1 as referring to me though, my decision not to act in a context of continuing and determined engagement. leading to 44.1, a reactivation of the intense drive of 44, but with a degree of wariness and therefore not clear as to actual manifestation -or not- of it on his behalf. in a way, it's the same thing, isn't it.

thanks candid, and much love.
xx sl
 

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oh, kevin, what a lovely reading, i almost don't dare believe it, it's so positive and encouraging. thanks. but even if i don't want to get carried away, many of the things you say resonate strongly, i really recognise myself in the way you talk about the time, whatever the future brings.

"It is interesting that your second reading (also full of Dragon Energy) landed you at 44? (with more dragon energy!)
Are you a Dragon by any chance? !"

how perceptive of you. yes, a dragon, and scorpio to boot! but i've got libra rising, so i'm nice, really
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and the moon in gemini, which drives the dragon and the scorpion absolutely bonkers sometimes.

"From the inspirational action of 43 ? deciding to breaking the pattern, announcing it (most important) you enjoy a breakthrough."

as i said to candid - i'd missed this 'most important' bit - announcing it clearly. thanks. sometimes i think by trying to curb the dragon and the scorpion i overdo the wei-wu-wei.

"The most important part of the reading - This manifests itself in, err, urmm? the print gets a little faint for me here? Marriage?"

LOL! wherever did you get *that* one from? i'd be surprised - very - but then stranger things have happened... and i've been getting lots of 37 and 53 (yes, i'm patient) about this whole thing, so who knows. but i always thought there was no 'marriage' in 44? or is it a combination of inner hexs and hidden steps and all that stuff that i still can't get a handle on? me, i think you're a romantic, that's what it is... ;-)

"So it will come through it seems? wonder what card the Lady will drop in to kick start the process?"

still mulling that one over, it will be clear when the time is right. been getting 49 too, lol!

as for etyrnal - no we don't know each other and yes your assumption is correct. thanks for your comments on that.

big hug,
xx sl
 
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cheiron

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Hi SL

Abashed

I hardly dared finish the 'interpretation' the way I did as I was worried it would divert you from your ideas (bit of a bombshell etc)

But now I know you are both a dragon and a Scorpio... Well I guess you?ve got the depth and the energy to go your own way!

I really do wish you the best with this Change.

Hugs (Dragons are huggy?)

--Kevin
 

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