How I would draw my personal leader?

[Freedda]

My take on this: at first glance it's hard to see how your reading shows someone whom could be a role model for you.

But it brings to mind the life of Milarepa, a Tibetan who lived in the 11th-12th centuries. Before coming to Buddhism, he studied sorcery and killed many people. So, one of the things he is known for was his ability to transform his life (or to let himself be transformed by the Buddhist teachings) - from being a murderer who was driven by revenge to someone who had 'a deep realization about the true nature of reality.'

I'd suggest then that your role model might be someone who didn't start out living a good, compassionate, peaceful life, but who instead came to their purpose in life by making lots of mistakes - maybe including hurting others - and then learned some hard lessons from these mistakes, and was transformed (or transformed themselves).

In modern times, Malcolm X (1925 - 1965), the American black civil rights leader comes to mind. Early in his life he was a robber, drug addict, and pimp. He then found Islam through the Black Muslim movement (while he was in prison). He was then further transformed by his faith when he saw people of all races and nationalities making the Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca.

So your role model might be someone who started out with their good qualities exhausted or repressed (47), but was then able to transform themselves, so their good qualities begin to 'slow take root' in their lives (46). It need not be someone famous, and might likely be someone like us, or even someone who is attending their local AA meeting.

Best, D.

 

[Albatross]

'This is a time to recognise that I am caught in the swamp and that I will need to draw deeply on my own resources to climb out to dry, firm land'.

I love this image of the swamp, I will use it in my meditations; it is very vivid.

 

[Albatross]

I'd suggest then that your role model might be someone who didn't start out living a good, compassionate, peaceful life, but who instead came to their purpose in life by making lots of mistakes - maybe including hurting others - and then learning some hard lessons from these mistakes, and was transformed (or transformed themselves).

I am very amazed. I can not explain with words but I am feeling very joyful reading this.

Thanks.

 

[Albatross]

a laborious effort that could be far simpler.

Maybe this is true to me because I want to pull all the threads together before take action, in that way I complicate my life. In that sense connect with

I don't think there are 'teachings' as such in Yi.

because I thought that knowing how I would know how untangled my efforts, my potential.

 

[Albatross]

In order to connect with your ideal of a leader/role model at all you'd need to ditch false authorities/images you have in your head about this. These are depicted in the lines and in 47.3 you are being warned about not leaning on false things that don't support you, things that aren't real. I don't think your perceived quest for an idea role model is anything that serves or nourishes you.

I want to thanks everyone for the insights. I was thinking that in some way or another everything that you said points out to the struggle destroying falses images of what the other persons represents to me because in that quest for the role model I did not see the people in front of me for what they really were, instead how much I want to receive from that people. I instrumentalize them in my anxiety to found a real/valuable ideal and I lost the opportunity to the openness to their true self. Like Freeda said it is time to stop searching a famous role and open myself to the guy

who is attending their local AA meeting

.

Best, Al.

 

[Albatross]

It’s a waste of time to imitate, to do something other people can do as good or better than you.

Mark Frauenfelder

 

[rosada]

Is Mark Frauenfelder your role model?

 

[Albatross]

Is Mark Frauenfelder your role model?

¡Ha, ha! No, I found this quote and I wanted to share it in this post because I feel in some way it confirm the things that Yi said in its reading.

Best, Al.

 

[Trojina]

I think you asked who the superior man was some way back, here is a new blog post on it

 

[Albatross]

I think you asked who the superior man was some way back, here is a new blog post on it

Yes, thank you. I think a lot about your question about the type of mindset that searchs for a role model, a leader. Maybe it is my christian catholic background that taught that the inner wisdom is wrong, that our reliance must be in a superior authority.

Thanks again for sharing the post.

 

[rosada]

Rather than asking what are the “key teachings” of the IChing, perhaps it is better to phrase the question as “ What do we learn from consulting it?” because certainly we learn from the experience even if there are no specific teachings as such. Then I would say that one of the first things we learn is that we tend to see, emulate, those whom we recognize as being somehow similar to ourselves. If calling such a person a “Role Model” seems too restrictive then how about saying the I Ching experience encourages (doesn’t teach!) one to recognize that we all follow in someone else’s footsteps? With that definition then I see as meaning at this particular stage, 47.3, beliefs you could rely on no longer support you, the footsteps you thought you were following no longer seem to be taking you where you want to go. So although it is vitally important in life to recognize where we’re headed (be it a person or an ideal), this line seems to say that for right now you are in a state where you DON’T see the path. And that’s okay. 47 is the midpoint between the group and going forward ahead of the group or inspired by the group (45. and 46.), and going way far off . At 47.3 so off on your own that you don’t see “recognize hte divine plan anymore.

 

[Albatross]

this line seems to say that for right now you are in a state where you DON’T see the path. And that’s okay.

I felt sad when I read your post. You said that it is okay but It is hard to me recognize that I do not know where I am now.

At 47.3 so off on your own that you don’t see “recognize hte divine plan anymore.

I felt chills when I read this. Am I now in open fight with the divinity? I felt like a great weight came to my shoulders. Alone. Like the world did not have any explanation.

 

[moss elk]

Am I now in open fight with the divinity?

No, you are not.
Splash some cold water on your face to wake up.

 

[rosada]

A1,
Anyway, no need to feel sad about 47.3.
47.3 is not telling you anything that should make you sad. It is simply explaining to you why you feel you need to ask how to draw your personal leader. Ordinarily everyone knows who their personal leader is - for awhile anyway - it's their father or mother! But a time comes when we out grow our childhood role models and yet we're not entirely strong in our trusting our inner guidance. At that point, which can come at any age and multiple times, we're in a transition zone and so 47.3 is telling you no need to be concerned that you are not feeling comfortable or secure in trusting your intuition fully now. You are in transition. And so you are wanting a description of a guiding star.
I'm gonna have to think about the next line. Comment if you care to.

 

[Trojina]

Al you need not feel chills or sadness because of someone's interpretation, it's just their interpretation and I don't agree with it.

 

[Albatross]

I'm gonna have to think about the next line. Comment if you care to.

Thank you for your post. I know that the 47.3 is not a pessimist line. It is more an invitation. Nonetheless when I read that I do not recognize the "the divine plan anymore" I felt like I was expel out from a gang or something and I want to be in. I know that in it is not always the right place but I want to be include. The most weird thing is that I do not believe that there is a divine plan.

I do not know if I was clear, it is a bunch of feelings.

Best, Al.

 

[Albatross]

Al you need not feel chills or sadness because of someone's interpretation, it's just their interpretation and I don't agree with it.

Yes, I know. It is only I think there is something there that touch some part on me that it is sensible to this interpretation.

 

[rosada]

47.4 Coming slowly, slowly,
confined in a bronze chariot.
Shame.
There is completion.

A friend of mine got this line when he asked about his true work. He comes from a long line of doctors but he was past the age where it would have been possible to get a medical degree - but it was obvious from his interest and family background that he had a healing touch. He ended up taking a week end volunteer position at an animal hospital. It was not the job one might consider "worthy" of his abilities but he loved it and it seemed to fill a space in his heart. So I see this line as saying that you may actually have some vague idea of who or what your personal guide or true path is but you have been slow to believe to follow through. So follow your feelings and don't assume that something that has a small beginning won't produce significant results.

 

[rosada]

47.5
Nose cut, feet cut.
Oppressed by the crimson sashes
Then moving slowly brings release.
Fruitful to give thank offerings.

These lines suggest to me a situation where you may have to deal with situations where you are bringing in new ideas, new inspiration - the divine plan! - but you have to deal with people or situations where your point of view isn't recognized as being significant. And you may not even recognize what your goal is, what you are trying to manifest but even so, continue to give thank offerings, do what you can where you are with what you have. Eventually you start to recognize what the divine plan is.

 

[Albatross]

So I see this line as saying that you may actually have some vague idea of who or what your personal guide or true path is but you have been slow to believe to follow through. So follow your feelings and don't assume that something that has a small beginning won't produce significant results

You erased the other half of the post. I loved the quote from Woody Allen. LOL. Always the people called my attention because I want to rush the things. I need to take my time to do things or maybe do not be so hypercritical with my actions.

 

[rosada]

The Woody Allen joke was two folks complaining about the food being served. “It tastes terrible” says one. “Yes,” agrees the friend, “and in such small portions!

 

[Albatross]

A inquiry that bother me in the last weeks, it is what is the way like I perceive the type of leadership. What is the perfect leader to me.

When I wrote this I didn't want to stain the question with my previous knowledge. I wanted a "pure" read of the Yi answer. In that moment I was reliving a "spiritual exercise" from the Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius of Loyola where he ask the participant to imagine a "personal role model" a leader from the world and think about was qualities of this person are attractive for you. I thought when I asked to Yi that I will find a more transcendental explanation.

 

[Albatross]

I can see that you don't want to answer my question for some reason.
So, good luck.

I woke up this morning thinking in this: Why didn't I want to tell about the relation of the concept of Ignatius of Loyola's Spiritual Exercises? I didn't want to stain the answer from Yi with my previous expirience, I think.

 

[Albatross]

As a matter of interest why are you asking this ?

Re-reading this thread I noticed I pushed the people through a hard time because I was stubborn to specify why I was concerned with the "role model" stuff, because I didn't want that the question to be related to Ignatius of Loyola because I was in conflict with religious connotations at the time. I think I took to the heart that this Sharing Reading community is not Google-proofs so if I went to open this will appear in Google search.

I am really sorry for that, I am aware now of my stubborness.

202403131400 it was not only stubborness or precaution. I wanted a direct answer from Yi something of the kind of a pattern "you're role model is in that way, and this, and this", like a pattern without the imperfection of the flesh.

Really the people that answered was really nice. When I was trying to remove the flesh. but maybe the Yi told me that was precisely in the other way, there is not "model" without flesh.

So your role model might be someone who started out with their good qualities exhausted or repressed (47), but was then able to transform themselves, so their good qualities begin to 'slow take root' in their lives (46). It need not be someone famous, and might likely be someone like us, or even someone who is attending their local AA meeting.

 

[moss elk]

like a pattern without the imperfection of the flesh.

Can you show me living flesh
without spirit?

Can you show me spirit
without living flesh?

These only exist in the imaginations of humans.

Why then condemn one aspect of an inseparable pair?

~m.e.

 

[Albatross]

Can you show me living flesh
without spirit?

Of course not. That was the delusion I lived that time, may be it's still there but now I am more aware that the two realities are not separable.

 

[Liselle]

Albatross, there's no need to apologize. Please don't worry about it one more minute.

 

[Albatross]

A inquiry that bother me in the last weeks, it is what is the way like I perceive the type of leadership. What is the perfect leader to me. I asked the Yi because I think that I have some kind of bias about this subject. The bias is that I chose some type of leader because I want to please other people, because I want to satisfy the images that other have about me when I select the "right" type of leader.

Today I was reading the essay of hexagram 2, Earth. I have found the paragraph

Gaining a lord provides you with guidance and a stronger sense of direction; gaining partners means support and a broadening of perspective. This is something you’ll know if you’ve ever participated in a community or network of like-minded people: there are insights and openings here that you would miss if you pressed on doggedly on your own.

This idea I was looking for was this "a lord you can serve".

I came to write a long text of joy, because this paragraph express what I was expecting that time. I wanted to renegade the old guidance; the guidance of the Catholic church, but all the insights, the way the church see the world and the people is insight of me, because I was born in this culture, I have wanted to pull off my own skin.

Hexagram 46 has a trigram Earth. Its image «Centre of the earth gives birth to wood». It is an invitation to assume a humble leader, "a tree" in «a community or network of like-minded people»