How real is the connection between me and X? 22.1.3>23

[dippsta]

This is aimed at a romantic interest. Personally, I've felt like the connection is extremely deep but I've always wondered if the other feels the same. They are the kind of person who gets along with everybody so it's kind of made me question if it's truly any different with me.

Now at first, I thought the reading was telling me it was superficial but my perspective has shifted. I think hex 22 was trying to show the superficiality but I find it's showing the past, how things started off. I think the lines indicate that presenting the real me and abandoning what's shallow while following it with perseverance will unveil the falsity and reveal the truth (hex 23). Now I think this is relating more to this individual because I am always true to myself but I could tell they hold back on one could say "being their real self".

I looked up other readings on this outcome here and one of the replies in someone who asked a semi-similar question was: "If this person comes around three times, then they might be one to part your veil and see the real you. If your friend were of the romantic type, this reading would suggest that you and they are potentially marrying material (driving three times around in a carriage), hence the parting of the veil (23)".

When I read that something clicked although I'm still trying to figure out exactly what. Any help is appreciated, thank you!

 

[rosada]

How real is the connection?
22 - 23. Fantasy - Collapse

These hexagrams do seem to address your concern that you may be projecting more onto the friendship than is warranted. I wouldn't let it discourage you though. Just think of it as advice to not go too far off into imaginings but to build on what you know for sure is true. Or to put it another way, this moment of fantasy about your relationship wont last, there are things that cannot be 22.3 glossed over.
23. When illusion falls away reality becomes obvious.
So what is the reality? Perhaps that this person will always want lots of friends? Is there something you should learn from that? 23. advises broadening one's base. Like in order to be in sync with this woman perhaps you should broaden your awareness of your own circle of friends?

 

[dippsta]

How real is the connection?
22 - 23. Fantasy - Collapse

These hexagrams do seem to address your concern that you may be projecting more onto the friendship than is warranted. I wouldn't let it discourage you though. Just think of it as advice to not go too far off into imaginings but to build on what you know for sure is true. Or to put it another way, this moment of fantasy about your relationship wont last, there are things that cannot be 22.3 glossed over.
23. When illusion falls away reality becomes obvious.
So what is the reality? Perhaps that this person will always want lots of friends? Is there something you should learn from that? 23. advises broadening one's base. Like in order to be in sync with this woman perhaps you should broaden your awareness of your own circle of friends?

This person is the kind to put a "fake front" and people please, leading to false appearances. Now, I'd say I have seen their "true self" but they still keep it hidden often. I realize now that's why the whole "partying of the veil" made a lot of sense to me. With enough perseverance, I will fully see them for them.

They do make friends easily, but I can tell many of those connections are superficial. That's why I asked this question, to see if I was one of those mediocre friends or actually something more.

However, it seems like the Yi isn't giving me a direct answer to that but rather advice by telling me to see them for who they are as a means to develop the connection to where I'd like it to go, am I correct?

What I'm getting is: yes there is promise in this don't worry, but you have to see things as they actually are.

 

[rosada]

Poking around at this some more.
22.1 with the bit about abandoning the carriage and walking would reassure me that there is something solid and without pretense here, so that is encouraging. Occurs to me people don't go very fast when they are walking. A caution to take it slow?
22.3 with the rocks shimmering in the water could be describing a superficial show, but is that so bad? It is beautiful after all!
Then 23 with the mountain jutting straight up like it grew too fast and now with no broad base or history and is subject to sudden collapse.

So now I'm thinking the advice here is not so much seeing through a deception or getting over an infatuation, but more like advice to just take things slow - aim for outlasting all the others!

 

[Trojina]

I've written elsewhere of this cast 22.1.3>23 as being like gorgeous wallpaper on a crumbling wall.

You might find it's all highly charming, feels good but it erodes as it goes. The wall paper looks good for an hour or two before it peels off. Others may have different experiences with this cast but that is mine. And they are next to each other in the sequence 22/23 . I also think of it as something that looks beautiful and gives pleasure as it dies like autumn leaves. In fact autumn leaves is quite a 22>23 image. We do enjoy the colours and the feeling autumn gives and there is always a feeling of magic in line 3. Nonetheless 23, Splitting Apart or Stripping, is there amongst all that which can add to the sense of magic rather than deplete it.

As a sentence 'Beauty's Stripping'....yes like autumn leaves stripped away in their beauty

 

[dippsta]

Poking around at this some more.
22.1 with the bit about abandoning the carriage and walking would reassure me that there is something solid and without pretense here, so that is encouraging. Occurs to me people don't go very fast when they are walking. A caution to take it slow?
22.3 with the rocks shimmering in the water could be describing a superficial show, but is that so bad? It is beautiful after all!
Then 23 with the mountain jutting straight up like it grew too fast and now with no broad base or history and is subject to sudden collapse.

So now I'm thinking the advice here is not so much seeing through a deception or getting over an infatuation, but more like advice to just take things slow - aim for outlasting all the others!

Interesting! This hexagram combination has is so broad meanings of interpration, this one makes a lot of sense too. Thank you for your help i really appreciate it!

 

[Matali]

Hello,
There is a duality in 22.1.3 – 23.
Is the relationship at a standstill? Are you separated right now?
I see two different situations with these two lines.
In line 1, it is suggested to leave the car and walk on foot. The fan yao is 52.1 : stay in your own life.
In other words, the situation is far from ideal; that's my feeling when I read you because you seem very critical when you talk about this person "falsehood, false mask, lot of shit inside". In other words, you don't see that person with the eyes of love

It is true that hexagram 22 can evoke appearances but in the sense that the person does not commit :
The Image "without daring to judge in legal cases"
But reciprocal feelings can exist in 22 all the same. Are you sure you have a truly romantic interest? One can be attracted to a person without actually being in love.

On the other hand, line 3 evokes a rather pleasant relationship with brilliance (fan yao : 27.3 real food not to be rejected) : very different from line 1.
But this relationship is at a standstill 23. So either you're on line 3 or line 1. But, in my opinion, you can't be in both. In other words, there may be a third person but the situation is 23 "separation". Two people are separated. In short, it's an enigma !

 

[Trojina]

This makes a lot of sense in relation to the person. They put on a very charming and loving front when in reality they struggle with a lot of shit inside. And I know this because they've told me and I've seen it in them.

I don't feel it's about the person. You asked about the connection itself not the person and also Yi tells you what you need to know rather than giving you a breakdown of what the other person is. 23 is falling apart, disintegration, I find it hard for that to describe a person although no doubt it might in certain readings.

I feel in turning it into a description of the person you might possibly be avoiding the answer?

While I remember

"If this person comes around three times, then they might be one to part your veil and see the real you. If your friend were of the romantic type, this reading would suggest that you and they are potentially marrying material (driving three times around in a carriage), hence the parting of the veil (23)".

This doesn't make any sense at all, at least not in this context. No idea where you got it from, it may possibly have made slightly more sense in context of the original thread.

Btw, what do you mean by hex 23 adding to the sense of magic rather than depleting it? I'm a little confused by that.

The added piquancy of things that are ending, which is why I was talking about autumn leaves. They are beautiful colours because life is being drawn away from them, they're dying. You might be able to access a memory of such a situation, I know I can, a situation or just a day or an event that felt special, magical, that actually wasn't a step on the way to anywhere else.

 

[Trojina]

But this relationship is at a standstill 23.

I'm not sure why you refer to 23 as standstill. It's not standstill, the mountain is eroding into the earth, actually deteriorating which is not the same thing as standstill.

In other words, the situation is far from ideal; that's my feeling when I read you because you seem very critical when you talk about this person "falsehood, false mask, lot of shit inside". In other words, you don't see that person with the eyes of love

Good point, maybe that's the 23 of it.

Standing outside someone and saying the 23 means they have a 'lot of shit inside' isn't a useful way of interpreting here I don't think. It's just I think you're on the wrong track as soon as you make it about them and who they are. Always better in readings to stay close to what you need to know.

 

[dippsta]

In other words, the situation is far from ideal; that's my feeling when I read you because you seem very critical when you talk about this person "falsehood, false mask, lot of shit inside". In other words, you don't see that person with the eyes of love

But this relationship is at a standstill 23. So either you're on line 3 or line 1. But, in my opinion, you can't be in both. In other words, there may be a third person but the situation is 23 "separation". Two people are separated. In short, it's an enigma !

Actually no, what I meant is that I am aware of their flaws. But the thing is that I love them regardless, despite all their personal burdens. I see the beauty and great potential in them but also aware of what's behind the mask they put on and why they wear it.

For that last thing u said, rather than a third person, could one line possibly represent me and the other represent them maybe?

 

[dippsta]

I don't feel it's about the person. You asked about the connection itself not the person and also Yi tells you what you need to know rather than giving you a breakdown of what the other person is. 23 is falling apart, disintegration, I find it hard for that to describe a person although no doubt it might in certain readings.

I feel in turning it into a description of the person you might possibly be avoiding the answer?

While I remember


This doesn't make any sense at all, at least not in this context. No idea where you got it from, it may possibly have made slightly more sense in context of the original thread.


The added piquancy of things that are ending, which is why I was talking about autumn leaves. They are beautiful colours because life is being drawn away from them, they're dying. You might be able to access a memory of such a situation, I know I can, a situation or just a day or an event that felt special, magical, that actually wasn't a step on the way to anywhere else.

For the quote I took the question was "outcome of friendship" so it is somewhat different yet similar. You could say both questions imply the depth of the connection and where it's possibly heading.

But idk, possibly it could simply mean the connection detiorating. But I see it more as the FALSEHOOD within the connection that is dissolving, but I could be wrong.