How should I approach this girl when I see her? Hex 7.2.5 > 8

[jp78]

How should I approach this girl when I see her?

Hexagram 7.2.5 changing into Hexagram 8.

I interpreted that as discipline or perseverance? Idk because Line two is favorable i think

LIne Five: "When wild beasts roam the field there is no disgrace in capturing them. The eldest son is in command. The youngest carries away the dead. Persistence brings misfortune." I guess that means I must act quickly?

Hexagram 8 means seeking unity.....so maybe I end up being friends with her?

 

[gato]

is gonna be tricky, so prepare

 

[wendy1]

Yep, I agree tricky, but also you seem to be up to it, just don't 'slaughter all', when the going gets tough, try not to over react, maybe it helps to reassure yourself that you're the man, you can do this, and also to consider how serious am I? Union is a serious undertaking, really bloody serious, I don't think the IChing approves of fooling around with love.

 

[jp78]

Thing is I am not fooling around. I just want to get to know her better and shes playing the hot and cold game with me because she wants my attention. Shes always trying to steal glances at me too. I don't think I'm forcing anything, but rather trying to go with the flow.

 

[Trojina]

Thing is I am not fooling around. I just want to get to know her better and shes playing the hot and cold game with me because she wants my attention. Shes always trying to steal glances at me too. I don't think I'm forcing anything, but rather trying to go with the flow.

i feel 7.2.5>8 asks you to take direct straightforward action. 7.2 shows someone taking charge so this is not the time to get lost in flirting mind games...well maybe she is but don't go there. If you want her go and tell her, make it quite clear. When i say 'take charge' I mean take charge of the situation, to be maybe a bit of of a confident macho man about it...cut to the chase Hex 8 is often all about making a choice about where your loyalty lies, where you are going to commit and it does warn of leaving things too late.....so if i were you I'd just ask her out or whatever feels comfortable but direct for you. (infact i now think hex 8 is often urging one to hurry up and make ones mind up in regard to relationships..a real warning)

I can't promise she'll say yes but I really don't think 7>8 is saying hang around and see what happens...you have to go for it here.

BTW 7.5 is a complex line. It does ask you again to take charge...but like a grown man...let the awkward teenage boy part of you go...try to engage with the more mature man within you who knows what he wants and has skill and confidence to get it...Sounds like in part this is a test of how you present yourself when seeking relations with women.


Playing games is beneath your energy level right now. As a female to a degree shes got to play them, she can't be too direct but you can. The answer suggests to me you have quite a strong intention around winning this girl...and er a 'faint heart never won a fair maidens hand'...don't know who said that but its true.

 

[Trojina]

just noticed theres a few threads about this girl...you have to go for it don't you ?

whats to lose ?

you had 59.4 somewhere along the line...and that can mean that if you 2 often meet among other friends that may hinder you. She needs to see you for who you are not 'part of the crowd'.

 

[Tohpol]

Thing is I am not fooling around. I just want to get to know her better and shes playing the hot and cold game with me because she wants my attention. Shes always trying to steal glances at me too. I don't think I'm forcing anything, but rather trying to go with the flow.

If she's being hot/cold then she's playing with you and enjoying the attention. She may be wholly disinterested and merely amusing herself or she might be undecided. Depends on so many factors. Either way, I'd just ask out for a coffee and get the ball rolling. Take charge and keep it light. It's the imagery of a military expedition but far more important is the "lightness of being" on the approach. Nice smile - "fancy a coffee?" (IF you haven't already done so, you might want to do some reconnaissance missions via her friends beforehand and find out what kind of things she likes: drinks, cafes, desserts etc. - that always makes it easier).

If she says "get lost loser" and / or screams with laughter then you don't need to waste any more energy and you can move on. Or more likely, she'll respond with: "Er...I...Well, yeah all right, why not?" And you're onto the "getting to know" stage that you wanted. Then be ready with a time and a place nicely prepared.

No guarantees the battle will be won but you got to wield your sword properly first...No pun intended.

Anyway, I'm just reliving my glory days... Bon Courage!

And always remember:

 

[Trojina]

If she's being hot/cold then she's playing with you and enjoying the attention. She may be wholly disinterested and merely amusing herself or she might be undecided. Depends on so many factors. Either way, I'd just ask out for a coffee and get the ball rolling. Take charge and keep it light. It's the imagery of a military expedition but far more important is the "lightness of being" on the approach. Nice smile - "fancy a coffee?" (IF you haven't already done so, you might want to do some reconnaissance missions via her friends beforehand and find out what kind of things she likes: drinks, cafes, desserts etc. - that always makes it easier).


No guarantees the battle will be won but you got to wield your sword properly first...No pun intended.

Anyway, I'm just reliving my glory days... Bon Courage!

And always remember:

so those are the tactics of the courting hare !

...or you could try that time honoured classic line "get your coat you've pulled"

just kidding, although how you 'wield your sword' is crucial here i think though clearly Topals the person to ask all about that

 

[Tohpol]

so those are the tactics of the courting hare !

...or you could try that time honoured classic line "get your coat you've pulled"

just kidding, although how you 'wield your sword' is crucial here i think though clearly Topals the person to ask all about that

Are you casting aspertions on my (toe)-pulling technique? (the coffee with a smile technique has worked very well in the past I'll have you know! lol)

 

[jp78]

Ill try the coffee technique if I can get near her, otherwise if she glances at me I've decided to either wink back or smile at her. Haha, the wink should result in a either funny or awkward response.

 

[Trojina]

Ill try the coffee technique if I can get near her, otherwise if she glances at me I've decided to either wink back or smile at her. Haha, the wink should result in a either funny or awkward response.

I don't think Topal uses winking in his seduction technique.....possibly becasue as I said in other thread the girl may simply think you have a facial tic of some kind

I imagine Topal just flashes a dazzling enigmatic smile when he asks a girl for coffee like this

I hadn't realised you hadn't even spoken to her yet...believe me if you go and ask her whether she says yes or not she'll love it cos it will make her feel good. A guy shes never spoken to just exchanged glances with asks her out....after winking a few times....she''ll love it IMO

 

[gato]

trojan, are you he or she ?

 

[Trojina]

she

wot are you

boy or girl

why are you asking anyway....just look at the readings.

 

[Trojina]

one thing to bear in mind is courting 'customs', whats acceptable and whats not, will vary in different countries. Perhaps your perspective and mine differ also gato because you are from Romania. What may be acceptable in UK or US may not be acceptable there...I don't know.

But whatever country I can't see 7.2.5 as a reading that shouts 'give and go home'.

 

[gato]

she

wot are you

boy or girl

why are you asking anyway....just look at the readings.

she ? jp don't listen to her ... they never know what they want and they never will

@trojan: boy (little ... i got the point )

 

[rodaki]

fwiw jp, I agree with Trojan (and I'm a she too if you're wondering)

Women like being approached by guys in the courting field (as long as they aren't being too pushy or rude)
. . I don't know gato's reasons for believing otherwise . .



(just my yin 2-pence)

 

[mythili]

This reading is not telling you to wink and be seductive. Its telling you to get real and do something concrete about approaching her. With both lines 2 and 5 changing in 7, its like you attach a thick rope to each line and pull yourself straight out of 7 into 8. When lines 2 and 5 change its often pretty important.

I'm a she also.

 

[tiziano]

This reading is not telling you to wink and be seductive. Its telling you to get real and do something concrete about approaching her. With both lines 2 and 5 changing in 7, its like you attach a thick rope to each line and pull yourself straight out of 7 into 8. When lines 2 and 5 change its often pretty important.

I'm a she also.

Totally agree.
It's quite a simple reading IMO: 7.2 is the man's will (the "general" in the expedition), 7.5 the woman's will (the "prey" that wants to be captured), they correlate to each other and exchange their place (i.e.: relationship), as a result the whole hexagram is reversed and a step forward is made in the Sequence, obtaining heartfelt Union and the possibility of establishing a State (!)...

Go on and don't hesitate. Trust.

 

[tiziano]

...only one caveat: be careful of timing and don't miss the right moment, this is essential in the context of hex 8. Otherwise you won't be able to get her back again once she has left (references: "for the latecomer: disastrous", "the king lets the game in front flee").

 

[gato]

fwiw jp, I agree with Trojan (and I'm a she too if you're wondering)


. . I don't know gato's reasons for believing otherwise . .



(just my yin 2-pence)

because she is not following

be careful of timing and don't miss the right moment,

if he knew that he didnt need yi in the first place....

Go on and don't hesitate. Trust.

i foresee flames and smoke

Women like being approached by guys in the courting field

pretty women have like 100 guys approaching/day every day... it's annoying. at least in this part of the world.

 

[tiziano]

because she is not following

how can he know if he's never even talked to her? and how can you know?

if he knew that he didnt need yi in the first place....

I simply think he's thinking and thinking again and never acting...
(it's the same kind of error I usually do, btw :bag
so he asks Yi question after question, and this becomes an alibi. if line 7.5 alone changes (i.e. he doesn't act as a general in line 7.2), all he will get will be paranoy (29)...

i foresee flames and smoke

maybe... we're not Nostradamus after all... but isn't it worth trying?
All I can "foresee", I read it into the lines, and IMO everything has already been wonderfully said by Trojan in post #5. Which also perfectly agrees with my previous posts.

pretty women have like 100 guys approaching/day every day... it's annoying

let's let them say whether they are annoyed or not, and let's try not to generalize, also.

 

[gato]

.
maybe... we're not Nostradamus after all...

we are not on a cooking forum either

 

[rodaki]

because she is not following

( . . . )

pretty women have like 100 guys approaching/day every day... it's annoying. at least in this part of the world.

I'll stick by my view on this, I think it's always nice to have a guy that's really interested in you come up and talk to you . . and it's also known as 'human interaction' . . if that's annoying for some then that's a whole different matter, imo

(btw, I don't think there has been something she could have 'followed' . . they've just been eyeing each other so far)

 

[jp78]

Haha, okay just to solve this problem I asked another question (remember there is only one more day for me to ask her out on the final exam)...this response resulted in following..

Was the eye contact I made with her important?

Hexagram 17.2.4 into Hexagram 60...I interpreted that as I have a follower but there are limitations as to how far this friendship could go or is it articulation?

Also asked Iching "can i be close friends with her?"

Got Hexgram 57.1.2 into Hexagram 37....hexagram 37(family man) don't know what that means?


Then I kept getting visions in my head of her for some reason whether it was a product of my imagination or I don't know what so I asked "Why am I getting these visions in my head of her?"

I got Hexagram 13...which is companionship and relationship?

 

[Trojina]

she ? jp don't listen to her ... they never know what they want and they never will

@trojan: boy (little ... i got the point )

not sure who the 'they ' is ....do you mean women ? I guess jp will listen to who he wants or noone

wasn't trying to make any point...so if you got it you got more than i gave.

pretty women have like 100 guys approaching/day every day... it's annoying. at least in this part of the world.

Then it is very different from the UK, presumably US and other countries so as I thought your perspective is coming from your own culture. Here men young or old don't routinely pester attractive women.. it is not known for a woman however attractive to be approached and asked out 100 times a day. Infact I would say its more like they are afraid to ask women out....so women never know what they want or what they mean...hence the number of threads here by women asking 'what is he thinking'. Men may look but they don't generally approach and ask women out without some trepidation...so if a woman has been smiling at a guy for some time she would be very pleased if he approached her to ask her out. If he sat about winking and smiling at her she may be just totally puzzled . Besides I think women admire men who have the courage to be direct about asking them out


So your statement is just not true except in some parts of the world, Bucuresti being one of them. JP is not living in Romania as far as I know so its not going to apply to his situation is it

 

[mythili]

Got Hexgram 57.1.2 into Hexagram 37....hexagram 37(family man) don't know what that means?

Its the Yi telling you that dithering may be Ok for a bit (57.1) but you should quit obsessively trying to analyze so much (57.2)


Whats the worst that can happen anyway, she can say No, right? Then you'll know for sure one way or the other. But if you just keep throwing coins, and winking at her, you might as well say goodbye to any chances with her, at least for now. Remember Hex8?
Besides, once you get a response i.e. 7>8, if you keep asking, Yi is likely to start addressing other aspects of your attitude etc.

 

[mythili]

jp,
17.2 is someone who is not acting in a mature way, someone who comes across at not being interested in a serious interaction, but merely taking chances where he can find them , somone who's not setting a clear direction to what he wants to obtain. Like a child, going towards whatever or whoever is nice or available to him, not setting his own direction. I think Yi is saying that this is how she might be interpreting your approach. Also Karcher says about 17.4, that following someone is not the same as pursuing them. So I think, she's waiting for something more solid from you, and that she's not going to take the first step towards you.

 

[jp78]

Geez, i never meant to cause so many problems on this discussion thread. I've just been humiliated in the past when I've asked girls out and I just wanted to be sure of what I was doing. When I see her, I will ask her out my way and will be myself and stick to my values. If nothing happens we can still be friends, and if that doesn't happen i will go my own path. We made eye contact, thats its, and now I will continue my next action with more certainty by asking her to dinner or ice cream! ahaha

It's not that Im not acting. Well, sort of, but the last time I saw the girl is when there was certain interaction between us which was the eye contact, so now I must make my last move on the last day. Thats all.

 

[gato]

wasn't trying to make any point...so if you got it you got more than i gave.

yes, yes, i know, i know

Infact I would say its more like they are afraid to ask women out....

 

[jp78]

ok, stop. Enough with the wise comments. I just wanted some interpretations on some hexagrams not bashing on other people. This thread is done.