How to combat evil: 16.1.3.6

[elizabeth]

There is a woman who is spreading lies about me. I don't know what the lies are exactly, but based on her actions, people are turning on me. I asked the Yi how can I combat her evil influence? It gave me 16.1.3.6. Before I analyze the lines, a few other points:

-my approach the past 4 months has been simply to disappear. However, she gets word of what i'm doing from mutual acquaintances/friends who do not "see" her evil, and then turns them against me based on ...whatever black magic is that she manages to say. Bc i do not talk to her, I dont know exactly what she says. But it is powerful enough to disrupt my own life an dplans.
-One issue involved people attending my birthday party. They agreed to come and I got a call out of the blue from her just 5 days prior (had not spoken to her in 6 weeks). It became clear she had gotten wind of the party. I didnt asnwer the call. The guests who agreed to come did not show up, gave a lame excuse. Incidents such as this happen repeatedly. SHe has this way of manipulating things so that I cannot enjoy my life or achieve the results I want.
-Part of what I am trying to achieve is to become part of a cultural language group that she's sort of a part of. I have avoided it bc of her. Then it dawned on me that I wont get anywhere by avoidance. So i thought, keep your enemies closer. I left her a message today congratulating her on a cultural holiday and saying we should have coffee sometime. I wonder if the Yi is saying this is NOT the best approach.

Now the lines:

l1: proclaiming satisfaction and pleasure: there will be evil; do not declare what you want. Do not show off. (so i should not open up to her about my deepest desires/goals but does this mean do not involve myself w/her at all?)
L3: he looks for favors and places reliance on the others withou realizing that he too should take action. If you do not appreciate the right time for movement, you will regret it. Moving at the worng time suggests bad judgement. Withdraw. Showing enthusiasm can be seen as insincere. (this maybe implies this meeting suggestion was a bad idea? I do not know what "action" it is that I should take here...or what the "right" time for movement is.)
L6: No error. It is easy to be led astray by foolish enthusiasm but at the last moment a sober awakening can save the situation. Change of course is advised.
I'm not too enthused about seeing or hanging out with her. But if the reason she's telling lies (without even speaking to me or interacting w/me) is bc she is jealous or threatened, i thought seeing/talking to her (not about that but about anything under the sun) could help.

I welcome any input...

 

[pocossin]

How can I combat her evil influence?
16.1.3.6 > 30

Evil can be combated by light (30). You need to understand and to be understood, so a meeting should be advantageous.

Six at the beginning means:
Enthusiasm that expresses itself
Brings misfortune.

Premature expression brings misfortune. Stick to preparatory matters at first.

Six in the third place means:
Enthusiasm that looks upward creates remorse.
Hesitation brings remorse.

Think about what can be done now. You should be satisfied with a supporting role at the beginning and might convey that to the person in question.

Six at the top means:
Deluded enthusiasm.
But if after completion one changes,
There is no blame.

A change in approach will be advantageous. Our feelings are often mistaken, and a meeting should help clear the air. If you are qualified to be part of this group, then I think you should act to join it.

 

[elizabeth]

Pocossin,
Thank you greatly for this -- it makes perfect sense. Go in order and start at the beginning; preparatory matters first. A supporting role -- so be humble and meek to her. Put her on a pedastal maybe (if she's up then I'm below her)... Ok i can try that too.
Change in approach -- well meeting her, if she returns the call (no return call as of yet) is a change.
But I dont think I can *call her* on her lies. I have to try to befriend her and hope she stops manipulating other people. I am qualified (i think) to be part of this group but the unspoken rules of acceptance/membership are up to the group itself... so...that is out of my grasp and beyond my power.

Here is to hoping she will return the call and we can get together at some point. Praying.

Thanks so much. I will report back if there is any progress.

 

[jfas]

I don't know what the Ching is saying, but I think you're doing the right thing. Keep your cards close to your chest, engage her, don't avoid, but don't reveal anything. Smile, appear to be friendly, but don't get close. Unless she's being paid to do this, she'll get bored eventually. In the meantime, others will be able to see for themselves whether anything she has said about you is true.

 

[elizabeth]

Thanks Jfas. Unfortunately because of some of the fears and past experiences with at least 1 person in particular, the words this witch chooses to say fall on fertile soil. She may not be badmouthing me so much as she is "playing" with their fears and insecurities. But the end result is that I (and i'd argue they also) lose out.

She won't get tired of this. She lives for this stuff. Maybe not every day but she can space it out and act often enough to set me back. I may make progress becomign accepted and then 2 words from her and i'm back at the beginning. It's been that way for some time now, and I"m tired of it.

I hope you're right though> it amazes me how selfish people can ruin friendships and relationships, just bc of their own jealousy or insecurity. It is so unfair and unjust but it happens all over... I know people who have lost very important souls bc of such evil. It's sickening to me.

 

[jfas]

Although it may appear she has power over you, it's not really much of a power. Power that runs on falsehood and ill intent does not last, and anyone worthy will see through it. If they're buying into it you may want to question whether these are associates you want.

The best you can do is to live your life despite her actions and allow yourself freedom to choose your activities and also allow others to see who you are.

 

[elizabeth]

I hope you're right jfas. In any case, it's encouraging to hear such words, so thank you . It feels like I have to *undo* her damage and then start from the beginning -- but i guess in a way those are one and the same thing.

You make a good point about others though, but sometimes I think the best manipulators are the ones who know where to strike. The victims may be innocent but just not wise enough; i'm not sure that makes them bad. (?) But I am not sure, I haven't thought that theory out yet.

THanks for sharing your thoughts with me -- it helps me at least feel I'm not alone.

 

[Trojina]

There is a woman who is spreading lies about me. I don't know what the lies are exactly, but based on her actions, people are turning on me. I asked the Yi how can I combat her evil influence? It gave me 16.1.3.6. Before I analyze the lines, a few other points:

-my approach the past 4 months has been simply to disappear. However, she gets word of what i'm doing from mutual acquaintances/friends who do not "see" her evil, and then turns them against me based on ...whatever black magic is that she manages to say. Bc i do not talk to her, I dont know exactly what she says. But it is powerful enough to disrupt my own life an dplans.
-One issue involved people attending my birthday party. They agreed to come and I got a call out of the blue from her just 5 days prior (had not spoken to her in 6 weeks). It became clear she had gotten wind of the party. I didnt asnwer the call. The guests who agreed to come did not show up, gave a lame excuse. Incidents such as this happen repeatedly. SHe has this way of manipulating things so that I cannot enjoy my life or achieve the results I want.-Part of what I am trying to achieve is to become part of a cultural language group that she's sort of a part of. I have avoided it bc of her. Then it dawned on me that I wont get anywhere by avoidance. So i thought, keep your enemies closer. I left her a message today congratulating her on a cultural holiday and saying we should have coffee sometime. I wonder if the Yi is saying this is NOT the best approach.Now the lines:

l1: proclaiming satisfaction and pleasure: there will be evil; do not declare what you want. Do not show off. (so i should not open up to her about my deepest desires/goals but does this mean do not involve myself w/her at all?)
L3: he looks for favors and places reliance on the others withou realizing that he too should take action. If you do not appreciate the right time for movement, you will regret it. Moving at the worng time suggests bad judgement. Withdraw. Showing enthusiasm can be seen as insincere. (this maybe implies this meeting suggestion was a bad idea? I do not know what "action" it is that I should take here...or what the "right" time for movement is.)
L6: No error. It is easy to be led astray by foolish enthusiasm but at the last moment a sober awakening can save the situation. Change of course is advised.
I'm not too enthused about seeing or hanging out with her. But if the reason she's telling lies (without even speaking to me or interacting w/me) is bc she is jealous or threatened, i thought seeing/talking to her (not about that but about anything under the sun) could help.

I welcome any input...

black magic ? really ?

she stopped your friends coming to your party ? Do you really think she has supernatural power in your life that is much stronger than your friendships ?


I think this cast shows your proposed action to be a not at all a good idea since it is based on a false enthusiasm for this belief about her.

hex 16 is all about larger than life imagery, its how we build motivations and plans and expectations, how we inspire ourselves.....however we can equally build up ideas and enthusiasms on nothing much at all and they can gather a momentum and lead us headlong into total misunderstanding. The belief she uses black magic to stop your friends attending your party looks just like hex 16 gone rampant to me


I think Yi addresses your question 'how can I combat this evil influence' as saying your enthusiasms about all this combating of evil is unfounded, based on larger than life imagery. All the lines you have say this.

16.1 shows you all ready to go ahead but without enough thought, 16.3 that you are putting the blame on someone else, her, instead of taking responsibility for things that have gone wrong yourself ... and 16.6 shows your intention may be good but it is really misplaced and you need to take a step back...and go for a slightly different way of tackling this problem

You need more clarity about this IMO (30)

Meeting may be good to get clarity as Tom suggested...but i do not think meeting will be good as part of a scheme to keep her close as an enemy as you suggested.

So yes IMO your tactic of having coffee with an ulterior motive really is not the way to go...just having coffee is another thing though with such ideas i think its probably best to leave her alone and just concentrate on your own well being...for now


Maybe its better to have a good talk with your friends to let them know the depth of your concerns than deal with her

 

[elizabeth]

Hey Trojan,
thanks for your input. I see the point you're making -- and I have looked at this every which way -- did I do or say something wrong, is this somehow my fault, how can I change or improve things. But even after reflection, i still feel that this truly was (and is?) out of my hands. I have never had something like this happen to me before. My friends are my friends and other people are just -- well, other people who I don't know. I have never had anyone actively trying to hurt/sabotage etc me or my life or whatever. Or try to prevent others from becoming close to me. But I truly feel this is the case here. Part of the issue is that this cultural group is new to me. I am not yet "one of them". I keep extending the olive branch, such as my bday party invitation -- please come, please enjoy yourself, have fun, i want to get to know you better, I want to be friends with you. And then this happens. There are too many coincidences and she has done this before. I know it's her doing. What I do not know is *how* she manages or what she says. But it wasn't just an accident or coincidence.

However, regardless of what it was or wasnt, i'm interested in what the hexagrams say. And based on your interpretation, attempting to befriend her/have coffee, etc wont work.

I cannot confront her bc I have no solid evidence -- and that is why she does this. There's no way for me to say anything without making *me* look bad. So I keep my mouth shut. She could deny anything I ask of her, but she still gets her way in the end. It's very VERY clever, I have to give her that much.

I also cannot confront my friends bc the ones she influences have known her much longer than they have known me. And bc she is pitting them against me (and they react the way she wants) again I"m left as the "lower person on the ladder", still the outsider, which is her goal. If I tell them she did this or said this, they can then say I accused her of X (of which I have no proof. And if i had proof, she would stop doing it, obviously).
So it is very twisted.

I have left her alone for 4 months now. Times I have tried to be friends with her have been my initiative -- i phoned after new years (at that time an honest invite) to say hi and suggested we meet sometime and she never followed up.
(this last coffee idea was out of desperation to "right" the situation, not that i particularly want to be with her, and i certainly dont trust her now).

I dont know how to get more information though, bc i'm not on the "inside" enough to do so. There are many dynamics i'm leaving out but this is the skeleton of the situation.

So i know i need more information. But i dont know how to obtain it...