How to interpret this reading? Hex 44>>30, is he over me?

[Franne]

How to interpret this reading? Hex 44-1,2,5>>30, is he over me?

Hi guys!

I got this iching hex today when I asked if my boyfriend is over me and asked to know his feelings at the moment!
I got hex 44-1,2,5 changing to 30.

Please help me interpret it!
Thanks
Franne

 

[moss elk]

It helps if you list the changes lines: less work for anyone who may want to help.

44 - 1, 2, 5

 

[Franne]

Thanks!

Thanks a alot Miss Elk.
So the changing lines are 1,2,5.? Coz I forgot to save them.
Could you help me interpret it?

 

[sooo]

that's Mr. Elk

I think the Yi is encouraging you not to ask such questions but to depend more on what is dependable and renewable. This alone may bring about the kind of change you are hoping for.

 

[moss elk]

So,
I believe that i have in the past asked questions and recieved information about someone else.
I also believe that sometimes yi ignores my direct question to give me advice for me about the situation.

I feel it generally better to ask questions where you are the subject,
That way no 'wires get crossed' / confusion results.

Sincerely,
Miss Elk

 

[sooo]

Elkster,

sooo so totally agree with both cases.

I really don't like corrective responses such as mine, but being that I perceive Yi bouncing back self-reflecting answers when the motive is "off center", such as being based on insecurity rather than productive understanding and action, and being that I feel it's sorta rude to leave someone new hanging with no response, I did the best I could to be candid yet hopefully gentle. It's how I would have interpreted it for myself, had I asked a similar question... which I wouldn't have done. At the very most, I might inquire regarding a special person's regard for me at this time. But even then, I would not be surprised if the Yi spoke to my need to ask such a question, nor if the Yi answered my question directly, nor if it spoke to both in the same reading.

 

[Franne]

Thank you all guys!
So is that possible to give a direct answer to this?
Does it show anything about his feelings for me at the momemt or if anything is going to change for the better?

 

[moss elk]

Hi Franne,

Yes, the lines are 1, 2, and 5.
I think 44 is generally about something that should be avoided because of negative consequences.

Line 1 reflects this: stop something or it will bring misfortune.
Line 2 (i dont have personal experience with this one but different authors seem to imply that something should be stopped from reaching others)
Line 5 counsels one to hide their good qualities and a blessings later comes about.

So that brings us back to the question of whether this answer is about his feelings
or if it is a recommendation for you... still no progress.

If i were in your situation i would ask something along the lines of:
"Please, how may ( I be in accordance with the benevolent will of heaven) or (my actions be correct) or (what is best for me to do) in regards to this matter? "
These sorts of questions have proven helpful in my experience.
If you try it, let us know.

To Sooo, i don't think there is anything wrong with your gentle corrective advice.
Heck, i know i've had my share of admonishment from yi.

 

[sooo]

Heck, i know i've had my share of admonishment from yi.

Ha! To put it mildly. Yikes! No spoiling the child there. I also think the old saying, to whom much has (already) been given, much (more) is required, also applies.

 

[Franne]

Thank you so much Moss!
That was quite helpful! Then what about that 30? What does it show? I guess when a hex changes to another, the second one is about the ultimate result, right?

 

[moss elk]

I think many western people who start to consult yi have at least a vague familiarity with the tarot,
And i think that sometimes shapes the idea that the relating hexagram is the 'future' or end result.

From my experience it seems to me that the answer is in the 1st hexagram, and the relating hex can sort of be a context or backdrop to the answer. (If the answer were the 2nd, seems like we'd be given the 2nd hex all by itself)

Would you mind sharing your thoughts on the reading? What do You think is being said? (And about who?)
(Because You are the most qualified expert on your life)

And maybe provide some information about the situation?
(That could help others try to understand your reading)

 

[Franne]

Well Moss! Let me say something about the situation first. My boy friend and I have to be living in different cities for a while and it has been a while that I felt he has not the same feelings and passion for me. I thout he might have involved with someone else but after I decided not to contact him for like 10 days he suddenly texted me. But he is not that passionate he used to be. That's why I was confused so I asked I-ching if he is over me?

The first emotion I got after reading hex 44(1st) was that he is going to get a warning(hex44) if he decides to dump me and he will be notified by his feelings for me and since the 2nd one was hex 30 and I believe 2nd hex shows the final result of an act I assumed that this doubt is going to change to a solid feeling.
I am not sure if this is because I want it to be like this! Or it is really what it is!

Please let me know what you think
Thanks!

 

[Franne]

What do you guys think about it?
Any idea?

 

[moss elk]

Maybe some of our Lady members could offer their insight...

 

[Franne]

But could you ever interpret such this case like that?

 

[sooo]

But could you ever interpret such this case like that?

One could interpret such a reading, but not with absolute certainty. There are too many subtle factors involved, such as your own state of mind, your own reason for needing to press forward to know this answer; a known attribute of 44 btw. So, is the IC speaking to your question or to your own push toward receiving a direct answer? Myself, I'd be incline to see it as the latter, but that's only my interpretation. I suggested it in my original answer to you, yet you pushed through that to attain what you wanted. That's a very typical 44-like response. The strong woman that this hexagram warns not to marry is that kind of strong will based on powerful emotion; here emotion and woman are considered to share the same symbolism. Look at your words in your last post: "The first emotion I got after reading hex 44..." but then you projected that onto this other person. Apply it first to yourself, examine yourself, and your reason for needing to know the answer in such absolute terms. The Prince is the figure here who sends out his commands and decree, that is by reason, not by the emotion of the wind, who is the eldest and strongest of the female trigrams, with the exception of mother earth, but her trigram is not present in 44, only the eldest daughter and heaven - she is pushing heaven to give her something, in your case an answer for this others actions and sort of demanding an answer. Read the text of 44, apply it first to yourself. Determine who or what is this maiden that one should not marry? Is she not your emotion? Then if your mind softens and opens, and you can recognize your own misguided strong emotion, perhaps you can construct a more productive question and present that to the Yi for a clearer answer to what you need to know, rather than what you want or even demand to know.

Also study the text in hexagram 30, and apply those symbols of dependency on the cow's fuel to go on living. She clings to the earth, rather than banging (or blowing as wind) on heaven's gate.