How to strip the old away 19.1.2.6 > 23

[redoleander]

If anyone has special insight or personal experience into 19 I would love to hear it.

I am dealing with 23UC in so many ways. It’s hard for me. I’m used to always moving forward. I feel really, truly stopped in my tracks now, a lot of loss, and not really stopped anywhere I want to be so it’s hard.

I asked about what I can still look ahead to and got 23 UC which seemed like a pretty strong message that it’s not about looking ahead right now. I was thinking about Hilary’s interpretation that includes needing to fully strip because if you went ahead you’d just create the old patterns anyway. That was sort of the message I took from it.

so I asked: How do I strip the old
19.1.2.6 > 23
I’m not sure at all what to make of it. Maybe just really being with it? Getting very close to what is? Just being with that? Making a companion of it all?

Maybe it’s an unnecessary question but it really is hard for me to know how to be with this time so if you see anything in the answer I wouldn’t mind hearing it.

 

[Liselle]

At least Yi put 23 in the relating spot!

Seriously, it seems like an encouraging reading. Come as close as you can to--- maybe anything. Don't worry about getting anywhere or making progress, just do what you can while 23 is still happening. Maybe pay more attention to details than to the big picture (that'd be the paired hexagram 20). Don't think too much (also 20).

 

[Ana Maria]

If anyone has special insight or personal experience into 19 I would love to hear it.

I am dealing with 23UC in so many ways. It’s hard for me.

so I asked: How do I strip the old
19.1.2.6 > 23
I’m not sure at all what to make of it. Maybe just really being with it? Getting very close to what is? Just being with that? Making a companion of it all?

h23uc is about Pruning, more than just "stripping the old." A bonsai came to mind.

I absolutely hear you: "being stopped on one's tracks in a place one doesn't want to be." How many thousands more would relate to this? I don't know but there's a sense of solace in there. You are heard.

Someone once asked Thich Nhat Hanh "how do we stay in the present moment when this moment is unbearable?" He just happens to have passed away today, 22 jan, some say he transitioned. To me h19, with those beautiful lines, is like TNH whispering: breathe in and out, be here and now. Winter will turn to Spring ... and life goes on, in cycles, 23 is temporary. With 3c lines I'd meditate/ponder on the image and judgment. h19 is exactly about that: pondering, teaching, overseeing, approaching, looking after, being with ––whatever is, yes.

Hope this resonates.

 

[redoleander]

At least Yi put 23 in the relating spot!

Seriously, it seems like an encouraging reading. Come as close as you can to--- maybe anything. Don't worry about getting anywhere or making progress, just do what you can while 23 is still happening. Maybe pay more attention to details than to the big picture (that'd be the paired hexagram 20). Don't think too much (also 20).

Ah that makes so much sense! I’m such a big picture person (which is not always a strength tbh,‘it’s just how I am) and it’s so true that it’s really not as helpful to think that way now (it can even bring on despair). So, yes, details and the idea of closeness… it’s interesting. I guess intimacy with things brings relief. Like particular flowers as I walk my dog or books or movies… being with other things. They always say that’s part of being of service, getting outside yourself, like it helps you escape yourself. I think being isolated due to the pandemic makes me feel less of service and of course less connected but there are many ways to connect. And yeah, 23 resulting — on the nose

 

[redoleander]

h23uc is about Pruning, more than just "stripping the old." A bonsai came to mind.

I absolutely hear you: "being stopped on one's tracks in a place one doesn't want to be." How many thousands more would relate to this? I don't know but there's a sense of solace in there. You are heard.

Someone once asked Thich Nhat Hanh "how do we stay in the present moment when this moment is unbearable?" He just happens to have passed away today, 22 jan, some say he transitioned. To me h19, with those beautiful lines, is like TNH whispering: breathe in and out, be here and now. Winter will turn to Spring ... and life goes on, in cycles, 23 is temporary. With 3c lines I'd meditate/ponder on the image and judgment. h19 is exactly about that: pondering, teaching, overseeing, approaching, looking after, being with ––whatever is, yes.

Hope this resonates.

Thank you for this. Thigh Nhat Hahn was, for me, like so many people in the west, my first contact with Buddhism in my early twenties and he really is one of the great teachers. The teaching part is interesting because I do teach and it’s such a different place to be in, teaching and sharing, while feeling so adrift in my life but that’s all part of it. Not everything stops. Even if I’m destabilized and nothing I know feels useful to me personally, I have still accumulated knowledge that I share with others as my work. And maybe that is one of the sources of connection I have right now to pay more attention to. I appreciate the care in your comment, thank you.

 

[marybluesky]

19.1.2.6>23 I think the reading is straight-forward: go for it & strip it away!

For both 19.1 & 19.2 Bradford says "United in commitment (...) promising (...)", and for 19.6: "Authentic commitment/ promising/ nothing wrong". And you have both first and sixth lines changing.

 

[marybluesky]

I am dealing with 23UC in so many ways. It’s hard for me. I’m used to always moving forward. I feel really, truly stopped in my tracks now, a lot of loss, and not really stopped anywhere I want to be so it’s hard.

That's how I felt during first half of 2021. The loss period started around 2019 autumn- maybe it's still there, but the hardest part was from mid 2020 to mid 2021. My threads exist here. They are long & I don't expect you to read them completely. I don't myself & I guess you're aware of the context. The thing is, your words feel very familiar.

 

[redoleander]

That's how I felt during first half of 2021. The loss period started around 2019 autumn- maybe it's still there, but the hardest part was from mid 2020 to mid 2021. My threads exist here. They are long & I don't expect you to read them completely. I don't myself & I guess you're aware of the context. The thing is, your words feel very familiar.

Yes, so true. I have read some of your threads at the time when I was first here and seen you go back and respond to some of the ones before my time. I do relate a lot to much of what you said if I think about it… good to know or possibly read and reflect another time. It’s hard not to fight it or want it to be anything other than what it is but of course that makes it so much more painful too.

 

[redoleander]

19.1.2.6>23 I think the reading is straight-forward: go for it & strip it away!

For both 19.1 & 19.2 Bradford says "United in commitment (...) promising (...)", and for 19.6: "Authentic commitment/ promising/ nothing wrong". And you have both first and sixth lines changing.

Yeah that’s true, it does seem like being fully there for it is the thing. Something I was thinking about earlier today is how these lines are so much about connection. I wonder if I am being too alone even though I am going through a time of loss? Maybe I need more support? Not sure. But I think the lines are really spelling it out for me (as requested ) since resulting is 23, and 19 is not really a painful hexagram, so yeah maybe like “just rip the band aid off” which is essentially what you’re saying here too.

 

[my_key]

How do I strip the old
19.1.2.6 > 23

Isn't it just wonderful when Yi holds a new question in the context of the time (Hex 23) that you are beginning to walk through this year.

19: Releasing the spirit meaning 'someone' helps you.
23: Stripping meaning 'something is rotten'

So, a simple interpretation could be that what is old in you is really in decay and you would benefit if you allow spiritual influences to come to your assistance to remove them. The deeper calling for the release of this 'spirit help' originates from the returning of love and compassion (24) and your challenge is to emulate the early Kings who reinforced the boundaries and closed the gates. Focus inwardly and, additionally, not stray from you current realms. These actions will position your self best to nurture the returning of this spirit.

A bit more detail from Yi, who invites the following behaviours to blossom in you to nurture and encourage this return. Be self reflective, stay up beat and focussed:

19.1 - See trials and tribulations as a challenge to be met by being steadfast and up-right.
19.2 - Loosen the control you hold on your inner world. Walk in the centre and respond (rather than react) to the new that approaches you, and the old that is clinging on.
19.6 - To seal the new deal, trust yourself to connect deeply with your new inner strength and wisdom, as it arrives bit by bit, and allow this to guide you.

Remember the ultimate guidance of 19 is to ponder and then educate and teach without exhaustion while being limitlessly tolerant and protective of the commoners (those inhabitants of your old mundane world).

So, this is how you strip the old !! Be aware though, you have 8 months to crack on with this before the wheels begin to come off: so no time to lose.

..or it might mean nothing like this at all.

Good Luck

 

[Ana Maria]

The teaching part is interesting because I do teach and it’s such a different place to be in, teaching and sharing, while feeling so adrift in my life but that’s all part of it. Not everything stops. Even if I’m destabilized and nothing I know feels useful to me personally, I have still accumulated knowledge that I share with others as my work. And maybe that is one of the sources of connection I have right now to pay more attention to.

Oh yes, I highlighted those keywords bc when h19 appears to teachers, it has a doubly special meaning, a stronger emphasis. It nudges you towards pondering and overseeing (followed by h20, overviewing/seeing and being seen). And bc lines 1 and 6 change, you've been through its motions, the cycles of this process have played out already or you can go through them somewhat quickly. Something(s) will be pruned and something(s) harvested at end.

 

[redoleander]

Isn't it just wonderful when Yi holds a new question in the context of the time (Hex 23) that you are beginning to walk through this year.

19: Releasing the spirit meaning 'someone' helps you.
23: Stripping meaning 'something is rotten'

So, a simple interpretation could be that what is old in you is really in decay and you would benefit if you allow spiritual influences to come to your assistance to remove them. The deeper calling for the release of this 'spirit help' originates from the returning of love and compassion (24) and your challenge is to emulate the early Kings who reinforced the boundaries and closed the gates. Focus inwardly and, additionally, not stray from you current realms. These actions will position your self best to nurture the returning of this spirit.

A bit more detail from Yi, who invites the following behaviours to blossom in you to nurture and encourage this return. Be self reflective, stay up beat and focussed:

19.1 - See trials and tribulations as a challenge to be met by being steadfast and up-right.
19.2 - Loosen the control you hold on your inner world. Walk in the centre and respond (rather than react) to the new that approaches you, and the old that is clinging on.
19.6 - To seal the new deal, trust yourself to connect deeply with your new inner strength and wisdom, as it arrives bit by bit, and allow this to guide you.

Remember the ultimate guidance of 19 is to ponder and then educate and teach without exhaustion while being limitlessly tolerant and protective of the commoners (those inhabitants of your old mundane world).

So, this is how you strip the old !! Be aware though, you have 8 months to crack on with this before the wheels begin to come off: so no time to lose.

..or it might mean nothing like this at all.

Good Luck

Ah ok! 8th month is a good point. Wonder if that’s from January I’ll have to look and see when I got the casting. Think it was in December asking for 2022. Yeah I guess that is helpful too in thinking about resistance. Can’t spend the whole eight months resisting. I think what’s hard for me right now is not being able to see the whole picture and not understanding it all; it feels like 23UC is a surrender of all of that. No you can’t know what’s coming or why… just be. Being upright and tolerant, as you said, during hard times… that’s the assignment!

 

[redoleander]

Oh yes, I highlighted those keywords bc when h19 appears to teachers, it has a doubly special meaning, a stronger emphasis. It nudges you towards pondering and overseeing (followed by h20, overviewing/seeing and being seen). And bc lines 1 and 6 change, you've been through its motions, the cycles of this process have played out already or you can go through them somewhat quickly. Something(s) will be pruned and something(s) harvested at end.

Ah that makes sense. And yes it feels like it will never end, it’s good to remember that these periods are not always so long and they’re not always identical throughout. Some parts can be lighter. It’s good for me to think more deeply about what is my responsibility to others now, as I’m isolated in the pandemic and going through a lot of this ‘alone’ post-divorce. There are always others and there is always something in relationship.

 

[ICstudent]

so I asked: How do I strip the old
19.1.2.6 > 23
I’m not sure at all what to make of it. Maybe just really being with it? Getting very close to what is? Just being with that? Making a companion of it all?

Maybe it’s an unnecessary question but it really is hard for me to know how to be with this time so if you see anything in the answer I wouldn’t mind hearing it.

Hi Redoleander,

Happy new year 2022! Good time to strip out the old.

I follow the Wilhelm translation and his interpretations. Here are my thoughts. Hope they are helpful:

19. Approach. This is very direct, and suggests proceed to strip out the old.

In order to do so -
Line 1. Join with others ("Joint approach") who have the experience for stripping out that which you seek to rid yourself of.
Line 2. Working with others is echoed strongly here ("Joint approach"). Therefore, it won't be a one time event that is completed but a process that never ends. And it will take time.

- Both Lines 1 and 2 are 'governing' rulers so working with experienced others is fundamentally the way for you to go.

Line 6. The spirit of this line is a 'humble' return to the lived world so you can "approach other men (people)" (p. 81, Wilhelm IC). Your new situation will not be found in either contemplation or knowing but in action and in doing.

23. Splitting apart. This a good sign given your context. Ice in winter as it melts splits apart. However, you must remain mindful of countervailing forces. As we all know, for every action there is a reaction. Whatever you have stripped out, there will be the counter force to keep it back in or to bring it back in. The image given is one of being undermined slowly but surely.

Not knowing your particulars, I suggest it is like this - Someone commits to a diet. Gets all the right tools and joins the right groups. Progress is made. But then there is a party, a slice of cake wouldn't hurt, then another celebration, and another slice. Etc. "Under these circumstances, which are due to the time, it is not favourable for the superior (person) to undertake anything."

All the best, Stephen

 

[redoleander]

Hi Redoleander,

Happy new year 2022! Good time to strip out the old.

I follow the Wilhelm translation and his interpretations. Here are my thoughts. Hope they are helpful:

19. Approach. This is very direct, and suggests proceed to strip out the old.

In order to do so -
Line 1. Join with others ("Joint approach") who have the experience for stripping out that which you seek to rid yourself of.
Line 2. Working with others is echoed strongly here ("Joint approach"). Therefore, it won't be a one time event that is completed but a process that never ends. And it will take time.

- Both Lines 1 and 2 are 'governing' rulers so working with experienced others is fundamentally the way for you to go.

Line 6. The spirit of this line is a 'humble' return to the lived world so you can "approach other men (people)" (p. 81, Wilhelm IC). Your new situation will not be found in either contemplation or knowing but in action and in doing.

23. Splitting apart. This a good sign given your context. Ice in winter as it melts splits apart. However, you must remain mindful of countervailing forces. As we all know, for every action there is a reaction. Whatever you have stripped out, there will be the counter force to keep it back in or to bring it back in. The image given is one of being undermined slowly but surely.

Not knowing your particulars, I suggest it is like this - Someone commits to a diet. Gets all the right tools and joins the right groups. Progress is made. But then there is a party, a slice of cake wouldn't hurt, then another celebration, and another slice. Etc. "Under these circumstances, which are due to the time, it is not favourable for the superior (person) to undertake anything."

All the best, Stephen

Yeah this makes sense! I can see that for sure. I have health stuff going on that I wrote about in another thread and it’s not diagnosed and actually not clear what the issue is but I immediately stripped my diet back totally (there is 23 again haha) and it’s a resonant example because it’s easy to be committed to something now but let’s say I’m feeling better eventually (which I of course hope to be) it’s easy to forget! To forget how much you want health when you don’t have it and how nothing seems worth challenging that. But everything is always changing, so…

Especially true with emotions too. I immediately tried to stay away from anything stressful etc but it’s hard, it’s really hard. That’s where the biggest learning curve will be. So thanks for your insight!