How will this lock down end? 38.1.6-40.

[rosada]

How long have we been doing this shelter in place thing now? And can we keep it up for another month, two months or will people just say “I’ll take my chances” and go back out? I consulted the ic and got 38.1.6-40.
40. Deliverance sure sounds appropriate but I don’t know what to make of the lines. Ideas?

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okay, looked at the lines a bit more. 38.Opposition could describe alternate points of view, some thinking it’s safe to go out there, some not.
I think the lines describe not so much a dramatic proclamation like “It is now safe to come out!” or a rebellion, “We won’t stay locked in!” But more like people one by one just deciding not to go along with it anymore:
38.1 People defying regulations, going out for a quick run and coming home. The hateful people being the idea of there being those with the virus out there?
38.6 More and more people daring to go out and finding it’s safe?

This makes me think people are going to be very cautious about coming out. Some slipping out sooner rather than later but not particularly following a government edict nor an angry rebellion.

 

[Liselle]

Not sure, but could it mean it'll end when it ends (line 1, like waiting for the horse to come back in its own good time), and we should think of the lockdown as a good thing, not a bad thing (line 6)? Which will be hard - as Hilary always says, 38-ish things seem like aliens.

 

[Surfergirl]

My first impression is line 1, the virus being out of control. It’s a lost horse, something we can’t control. It’s on its own timeline that we have no control of.
Line 6 we are all terrified of it but all will be well in the end. Things will resolve and get back to normal. The ramifications won’t be as bad as our projected fears.

 

[moss elk]

How long have we been doing this shelter in place thing now? And can we keep it up for another month, two months or will people just say “I’ll take my chances” and go back out? I consulted the ic and got 38.1.6-40.
40. Deliverance sure sounds appropriate but I don’t know what to make of the lines. Ideas?

Your question is a convoluted jumble and
I think the answer is entirely personal and about your thoughts and emotions on the matter.

the hateful people being the idea of there being those with the virus out there?

This is a very irrational line of thinking.
The virus has nothing to do with your beliefs,
you are not creating any of this,
it is fact, reality. Your thoughts and emotions have nothing to do with it. I spoke with a wealthy doctor yesterday who has homes in two cities. He was packing up all his belongings and moving to the smaller city, His parting words to me were said very slowly and deliberately,
"This is Real."
"Take this Seriously."

] More and more people daring to go out and finding it’s safe?

I think this line is your attitude right now,
you are seeing the lockdown as something bad, when it is actually something good that will save many lives. .

You seem angry and wringing your hands.
Try to find something creative/productive to put your energy into.
I'm painting landscapes.

and looking at this map:

Novel Coronavirus Infection Map

hgis.uw.edu

click the water to see global #'s,
or click specific areas.

 

[Trojina]

How long have we been doing this shelter in place thing now? And can we keep it up for another month, two months or will people just say “I’ll take my chances” and go back out? I consulted the ic and got 38.1.6-40. Deliverance sure sounds appropriate but I don’t know what to make of the lines. Ideas?

Remember the point is not 'I'll take my chances and go back out" because the reason for lockdown is not only to protect ourselves since most of us will only have mild illness anyway, but to stop the spread of the virus to stop it multiplying and multiplying killing the most vulnerable and besides.

Hoping you already know that and it was a matter of phrasing. It is really important you understand this point, reassure me.

That aside I don't know about where you are but here one can now be arrested if out for no good reason and refusing to go home, and not before time ! There's only 4 valid reasons to go out and people cannot gather in groups of more than 2 from different households at 2 metres apart. Sadly there are some who can't manage to take this seriously and are still going way too near others.

I can go out and be fine but I may carry the virus to several others who in turn pass it on to many others and as an expert explained I can be responsible without knowing it for 16 deaths. We aren't doing this for ourselves but for the whole country, the whole world. There is no question that we can just drift back into previous lifestyles as and when we feel like it. We have to, or rather the government and science advisors have to, carefully gauge where we are on 'the curve'. Restrictions may be relaxed when the upward curve slows and so on.


I hope the US is prepared.

Confused

38.1 People defying regulations, going out for a quick run and coming home. The hateful people being the idea of there being those with the virus out there?
38.6 More and more people daring to go out and finding it’s safe?

I don't know what the regulations are where you are since here it is still okay to go for a run or some form of exercise unless one has symptoms.



This isn't to do with daring to go out, many can go out and won't suffer greatly even if they develop symptoms. It is, as I said, to do with minimising the spread of the virus.

 

[moss elk]

I hope the US is prepared.

Many of the city mayors and state Governors are taking it very seriously.
On the federal level, the orange Armus
(sci-fi reference, https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Armus)
is being his usual petty lying incompetent self.
(at least now he can say,
"America is #1....
in the number of infections)


Luckily we have some competent local leaders.

 

[Liselle]

carefully gauge where we are on 'the curve'. Restrictions may be relaxed when the upward curve slows and so on.

'Opposed, alone.
Seeing pigs covered in muck,
The chariot loaded with devils.
At first drawing the bow,
Then relaxing the bow.
Not robbers at all, but marital allies.
Going on meets the rain, and so there is good fortune.'

 

[Liselle]

Restrictions will be relaxed when the curve relaxes, in other words. Which looks like a bow relaxing

(The New York Times, who in case you don't know has removed the paywall from all its coronavirus articles)

 

[rosada]

Sorry the way I posted my question made it sound like a jumble, Elm. The actual question I asked was what I wrote in the heading,

"How will this lock down end? 38.1.6-40"

I added my additional comments, questions, to clarify what my thinking was in the original question. I wanted to make it clear I wasn't looking for some answer like, "The lock down will end with people having a renewed faith in prayer." I was asking because of the news that there were riots in China when they lifted some restrictions (people in the hardest hit areas then were fleeing to the other towns and those towns didn't want them to come in), and I wanted to see what the ic might predict for how the lock down might end world wide - with a massive world wide decree that the threat is over or a cure has been found? Or with riots and rebellions? Or does it go on forever and doesn't stop until everybody dies anyway? Or as it slowly disappears do people not wait for a governmental ruling but individually decide if it's safe to go out? Anyway, those are the various scenarios I was contemplating. I wasn't coming from a place of fear or anger. I was just trying to come up with a coronavirus question that wouldn't spark another big controversy. Good luck with that, hunh?

Anyway. I like surfergirl's idea that 38.6 could indicate the ramifications wont be as bad as our projected fears.
Certainly families are spending time together and I read the environmental pollution isn't so bad now that there aren't so many cars and planes going about.

Finally, I think the gold star should go to Trojina and Liselle's interpretation that "relaxing the bow" could point to restrictions being relaxed when the upward curve slows. This makes this line seem to be a very encouraging omen for the lock down idea actually being followed and being successful! Duh - never thought of that!!!

 

[Liselle]

Not from the reading but the rest of us might be able to judge by what happens in China, since they're so far ahead in the process.

The chart M.E. linked to is spiffy. The spiral is chronological. For instance the point circled in green is from yesterday - if you click on it, there's usually (not always) a piece of information and a link to a pdf. (I can't get the pdf to download, though.) There are spots all over the map, cities or counties, that work the same way.




Here's another one comparing China's curve to several other countries. You can see how much farther along they are.

Interactive chart: Where the coronavirus curve has flattened

The interactive graphic charts the growth in coronavirus cases for China, the United States and six other countries.

www.mercurynews.com

 

[marybluesky]

How will the lock down end?

It ends when the opposition is over. Don't chase after what is lost- the things you can't reach during the lock down- they will become accessible again when the time is right. In the end, people will stop to see each other as potential virus spreaders & rejoin.

Liselle's point about the bow is interesting, too.

 

[Fanofenka]

How will the lock down end?

It ends when the opposition is over. Don't chase after what is lost- the things you can't reach during the lock down- they will become accessible again when the time is right. In the end, people will stop to see each other as potential virus spreaders & rejoin.

Liselle's point about the bow is interesting, too.

Can that time be when we have a new leader? A tarot card reader from down under said that Trump will either lose in November, his health will decline, or that the taxes will be revealed.

 

[marybluesky]

Can that time be when we have a new leader? A tarot card reader from down under said that Trump will either lose in November, his health will decline, or that the taxes will be revealed.

Don't know. I don't see such a thing in the cast.

 

[Virupaksha]

Been meaning to ask about your all's changing line practices and this seems like a case study for it.

I'm relatively new here but been casting for a while on my own. I've followed Master Yin's rules and generally don't read all the changing lines, preferring to emphasize one only per casting. And if there are 4+ changing lines I actually read the respective non-changing line. It seems you guys generally read all the (changing) lines, and see it chronologically? I'm guessing there's an existing thread on this forum that's exhaustively discussed this already, if someone has that link I'd be grateful.

In this case there are two yang lines so I focus on the lower yang line which is 1. This seems pretty straightforward as to your question (I'm looking at Huang's commentary for guidance). Do not pursue your horse, it will come back on it's own. Perhaps this is a signal not to pursue your old life, or at least your idea of what life was. It almost suggests that evil people who would be otherwise dangerous may become benign during this particular period. (It reminded me of the gang leaders enforcing social distancing in the favelas in Brazil). I know rioting and looting has been a concern in the US, so hopefully that's over-worry. That's a lot of optimism on my part though we'll have to see how it plays out. I will say it feels rather reassuring to me as it is saying this crisis will resolve itself on its own accord, and that we are mostly powerless beyond social distancing and isolation. It also resonates with my own casting of the situation which was 25.5, the sickness is external (caused by no agent, I mean viruses are not even "alive") and will pass on its own.

 

[diamanda]

My first impression is line 1, the virus being out of control. It’s a lost horse, something we can’t control. It’s on its own timeline that we have no control of.
Line 6 we are all terrified of it but all will be well in the end. Things will resolve and get back to normal. The ramifications won’t be as bad as our projected fears.

I agree on 38.1 looking like out of control. Actually I've read a lot of people on social media describing it as "the horse is gone" (people unrelated to the I Ching - the expression means we've lost the chance). The lost chance is that governments failed to act to contain it sooner.

Line 6 yes we're terrified of it and rightly so, but I think the line shows being terrified of each other. Looking at each other as a possible source of infection.

Now 40... is getting rid of something and relief. It's like a storm that clears the air. It also means "separate, divide, solve". So in my opinion this shows a cure will be found. Something to 'break' it.

But since we're still in the alienation/isolation period, we might as well stick to it with our FULL force and determination. One good reason is, as Trojina said, that we don't want to pass it on to vulnerable people. An even more serious reason is, that corona-viruses (like SARS and MERS) have a characteristic called ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement). This means, once you've got it, even very mild, your body creates antibodies. The next time you get re-infected with a mutation, the mutations uses and fools your antibodies, to proliferate much worse than the first time. So you end up in a much worse position... This is the reason there can be no vaccine (= because having antibodies is actually to your disadvantage).

Conclusion: stay home, as much as possible - if need to go out, wrap scarf around mouth and nose because it's airbourne. Be very very careful. We all need to do this otherwise our species might become extinct and we don't want that!