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People are pretty shell shocked with riots in the streets, violent political action groups and looters, political officials unable or unwilling to end the violence. Two lawyers one a Democrat Council member in NYC was caught handing our Molotov Cocktails to rioters and firebombing a police car, other Democrats endorsing Antifa that are commited to political violence...

So I had to ask in the wake of all this violence and chaos - "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"
I am sure many of you will also cast readings and post interpretations in the next 5 months leading up to the election on this question. After the elections, perhaps we can review them side by side for post election comparison on our interpretations vs. what actually happened.

So - "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"
17 unchanging. "Following." Also "Acquiring Followers."
Judgment
- All judgment translations indicate a successful outcome.
Legge: Following indicates successful progress and no error through firm correctness.
Wilhelm/Baynes: Following has supreme success. Perseverance furthers. No blame.
The Image -
Legge:
...The superior man, in accordance with this, at nightfall enters his house and rests.
Wilhelm/Baynes: ...Thus the superior man at nightfall goes indoors for rest and recuperation.
Liu: ... In the evening, the superior man rests and relaxes in his home.

I interpret this to mean Trump will be successful and reelected, aquiring new followers, and do well enough to be able to relax for once, unlike the last 3 years with multiple attempts to remove him from office.
"Resting in his house" may actual be literal, Democrats could well lose the House of Representatives, so he would have Party control of both Houses Of Congress.
It is possible I think that Democrats currently calling for defunding the police and unable to stop riots and looting - in all the large cities under their Party Control for many generations - this may prove fatal for Democrat Party in November.

Commentaries -
Confucius/Legge:
Through firm correctness all under heaven will be found following at such a time.
Legge: Following comes after Enthusiasm, the symbol of harmony and satisfaction. When these conditions prevail men are sure to follow.

This suggests the next few months will show a dramatic recovery for the country, and do much to win over voters.

- LL
 

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It's probably much too early for predictions, especially via an unchanging reading. I'm not arguing with your points, we'll see, only saying interpretation is tricky. E.g. "enters his house and rests" could just as easily mean Trump Tower...

Personally I thought Lysolgate was a turning point. He stopped having daily press conferences, and more people seem more willing than before to acknowledge his shortcomings and just to be tired of the whole circus.

I did do a reading, actually. His path to defeat seems obvious (at least to me), so instead asked, "Trump path to re-election?" and got 15.3 to 2.

If what that means is he'll be re-elected if he keeps his head down, gets work done, restores balance, stops thinking everything is about him, leads us through our current crises in a commendable manner, stops the Twitter excesses, and so forth - :rofl:. It'd take a personality transplant imo. On the other hand, the rule of thumb seems to be that Yi doesn't give advice (of sorts) that's not at least theoretically possible...
 

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From the tarot card readers and psychics I subscribe to, they all say that Trump will still lose and that the second wave will come within the fall but tracing will stop it. The universe also hears the voter's voices, where COVID-19 also happened to take down Trump. The people have awakened from the protests.

A couple of days ago, I asked the following question:
How will the protests affect the November elections? 21.2.3 Biting Through to 14 Great Procession.
 

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From the tarot card readers and psychics I subscribe to,
That is hardly authoritative on intepreting what the IChing says. Very off topic, I think.

How will the protests affect the November elections? 21.2.3 Biting Through to 14 Great Procession.

How will the protests affect the November elections? 21.2.3 > 14.
14 - Wealth, Possession in Great Measure,
The Symbol of Great Possession.
I will take this to mean the Yi is speaking about the context of the economy, and how that will affect the electoral outcome. Perhaps the Yi is doing a James Carville - saying "It's the economy stupid."

21.2.3
21 Biting Through
- also Discernment, Punishment, and Reform. 21 is considered a legal hex, according to commentaries and the experiences of many here.
Wilhelm/Baynes: Thunder and lightning:... Thus the kings of former times made firm the laws through clearly defined penalties.
21.2 - Wing: Punishment and retribution come swiftly and thoroughly to the person who continues in wrong behavior. Even though it may seem overly severe, it will effectively bring about Reform. Finally, there is no mistake in this.
21.3 - Wing: You lack sufficient power and authority to bring about Reform. Your attempts meet with indifference, and you may feel humiliated at your ineffective actions. Yet Reform is necessary, and therefore your endeavors are justified.

My read, there are two kinds of protestors, those who protested peacefully/legally and those who clearly broke the law. Line 2 says the criminals will be punished. Line 3 says the peaceful protestors lack power and authority - possibly moral authority, possibly legal or civil - and in the end they have lost the public which becomes indifferent to their cause. Which is a genuine, real cause, but their actions prove ineffectual and they lose the public's concern and support.

I have my own ideas why this might be, not part of the reading. The archille's heel of Democrats is playing footsie with groups that advocate political violence. Rather than repudiating them, they endorse the "by any means neccessary/direct action" mantra and so end up trying to do the right things the wrong way, and the public does not support that.

But I don't see this reading actually answering your question exactly directly. It is rather open ended although it seems to point at the issue of the economy. It does suggest the protestors will lose public support, and the end result is indifference.
Thus their cause and actions will not have a significant impact on the outcome of the election at all.

- LL
 

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When one rests, they are not working.

Please stop watching fox 'news'
 

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When one rests, they are not working.

Please stop watching fox 'news'

Funny - I have never seen iChing readings on Fox News. ;)
Let us note Moss elk says Hex 17 unchanging indicates failure, not the success Confucius divines.

Myself in the context of the success the text indicates, I see resting in his house to mean at least enough support in the Houses of Congress he can take a breath. In his house - the White House.
Particularly after 3 years of continual investigations and bogus attempts to remove him from office by any means available, some even commiting crimes to try to do so.

As for your "Stop watching" admonition - why would one shut their eyes and close their ears to all opinions other than their own? Even the least among us has something valuable to offer or something to teach us.
We are all individual truth bodies, but the Universe is bigger than any one of us.
I believe in the Whole Elephant.

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I am sure many of you will also cast readings and post interpretations in the next 5 months leading up to the election on this question. After the elections, perhaps we can review them side by side for post election comparison on our interpretations vs. what actually happened.

Nothing fruitful has ever come from this kind of thing, not in the last 18 years as far as I can recall. No conclusions have been reached. Interpretations on political readings will always be coloured by the querent's bias. So what for ? Is it just a game ? I can't say I have ever, not once in my life, seen any useful end result and that is even if answers are eventually posted side by side with interpretations and I can't recall any conclusive comparison.

You are pro Trump so all your answers are interpreted from that bias. Someone else of a different POV can just as easily make the answer mean something else. What's the point ?

I suppose conceivably one might just want to know the future of the leader of one's own country but that's probably going to work out better by reading and listening to the news of reasonably reputable sources.

There's been threads where 50 people all ask the same question about an election until it becomes utterly meaningless. The only time I recall this kind of thing leading anywhere is where Diamanda constructed some kind of graph to show frequency of reading results for various questions.


I think for you lavalamp the I ching is just your ventriloquist's dummy, pity.


As for this




So - "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"
17 unchanging. "Following." Also "Acquiring Followers."
Judgment
- All judgment translations indicate a successful outcome.
Legge: Following indicates successful progress and no error through firm correctness.
Wilhelm/Baynes: Following has supreme success. Perseverance furthers. No blame.
The Image -
Legge:
...The superior man, in accordance with this, at nightfall enters his house and rests.
Wilhelm/Baynes: ...Thus the superior man at nightfall goes indoors for rest and recuperation.
Liu: ... In the evening, the superior man rests and relaxes in his home.

I interpret this to mean Trump will be successful and reelected, aquiring new followers, and do well enough to be able to relax for once, unlike the last 3 years with multiple attempts to remove him from office.
"Resting in his house" may actual be literal, Democrats could well lose the House of Representatives, so he would have Party control of both Houses Of Congress.
It is possible I think that Democrats currently calling for defunding the police and unable to stop riots and looting - in all the large cities under their Party Control for many generations - this may prove fatal for Democrat Party in November.

You could take 17 as time to take a rest or even time for you to take a rest from posting biased political pro Trump 'readings' in this forum. You could just go to 'Open Space' and give your opinions without dragging the Yi into it and making it say what you want it to say. That would at least be more honest.
 
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I did do a reading, actually. His path to defeat seems obvious (at least to me), so instead asked, "Trump path to re-election?" and got 15.3 to 2.

Well not good to start with presumption when doing a reading, I think. If your predicate is wrong it may lead to less clarity, not more. But the question is clear, so let me take a shot.

"(What is) Trump's path to re-election?"
15.3>2.
Single line reading.

2 - The Receptive, or Responsive Service.
The context, the Yi is saying I think regarding elected leadership to lead is to serve, to be responsive to the needs of others.

NOTE THIS IS 15.2 I QUOTED THE WRONG LINE _ Please disregard.
15.3 - Wilhelm/Baynes: Modesty that comes to expression. Perseverance brings good fortune.
This line talks about "Modesty that crows the cock." Seem contradictory, but the crowing expresses virtue and temperance.
Wing: By maintaining a careful inner Moderation, your outward actions gain influence and weight. You will now be entrusted with responsibilities. A thoroughness in your actions brings good fortune.

So that's I guess, what the Yi thinks in your casting Trump needs to do to get reeelcted.

- LL
 
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15.3 - Wilhelm/Baynes: Modesty that comes to expression. Perseverance brings good fortune.
This line talks about "Modesty that crows the cock."

I don't think Modesty is quite his thing do you but he is a right cock
 

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Trojina, I seem to recall in 2016 there were many many readings, from a far flung assortment of readers compared here on who was going to win the American Presidential election.

Yes, that may have been the time the graph was posted.

But please don't delude yourself that you ever made any great predictions - if there's 2 candidates you have a 50/50 chance of being right anyway. may as well toss a coin.


It is only recently since I passed 60 the Yi has actually started divining for me, and it is very easy to compare predictions and intepretations with actual events. So as a learning and academic exercise, or even as a little bit of a competition in who can best intepret the Yi, I think it is a constructive and positive thing to do.

Yi started divining for you past 60 ? How do you make that out ? If you have a 2 horse race it's hardly spectacular prediction when your horse wins ! That's why it's so pointless to keep asking.
 

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15.3 - Wilhelm/Baynes: Modesty that comes to expression. Perseverance brings good fortune.
Is that line 2, not line 3? Here's line 3 from my copy:
°Nine in the third place means:
A superior man of modesty and merit
Carries things to conclusion.
Good fortune.



This line talks about "Modesty that crows the cock." Seem contradictory, but the crowing expresses virtue and temperance.
Are you saying that's from Wilhelm, or am I misunderstanding? I don't see that in mine, then again I'm good at missing things.


I agree the reading says this is what he'll have to do. Agree with Trojina this is not even slightly his thing.

I do think part of him is sincere - he's patriotic, he wants what's best for the country (at least his opinion of that, true of all presidents, really) - it's just there's this other Trump who isn't 15-ish at all.

Also we don't know what completion Yi means. 15 comes from 14, same as your relating hexagram, so as you said maybe the economy? If he can magically get it patched back up by November and avoid too much catastrophe, that'd certainly help...
 

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No, not kidding, but I think 15-ish Trump is utterly, completely swamped by ridiculously 16-ish, precisely-not-15, Trump. If 15.3's the path to victory, it seems almost invisible and it'd take, as I said, a personality transplant. Hilarious.

I mean, if miracles happen by then, a vaccine, near-complete economic recovery, that's another matter. Vaccine isn't up to him, except maybe pushing funding. Economy - 15 comes from 14, LL's relating hexagram was 14 - 🤷‍♀️
 

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But don't know where the bar is, either. Say for instance the only "miracle" is avoidance of catastrophe - we hang on economically, no 2nd wave of virus requiring another lockdown, no more riot-inducing events - again 🤷‍♀️

I do think there's been increasing "Emperor has no clothes" since the Lysol incident, though. (Just an impression.)
 
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I've just moved all the Yijing-free posts over to Open Space from here for you.

17uc is such an ambiguous reading I think it's a non-answer. Following: complying, accepting, yielding, going along with. Often - I've found - it means going along with the currents of the time. So now if we can just all agree on what those are, we can agree on what the answer means...
 

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Is that line 2, not line 3? Here's line 3 from my copy:
Are you saying that's from Wilhelm, or am I misunderstanding? I don't see that in mine, then again I'm good at missing things.

Ack. No you are right Liselle, I read the wrong line! That IS 2 not 3! Mea culpa, mea culpa.
I edited in a note about my mistake.

So What is Trump's path to reelection? >
15.3 instead... (for real this time!)
Legge: The third line, dynamic, shows the superior man of acknowledged merit. He will maintain his success to the end, and have good fortune.
Wilhelm/Baynes: A superior man of modesty and merit carries things to conclusion. Good fortune.
Blofeld: The Superior Man, exceedingly hard-working yet modest, brings his affairs to fruition -- good fortune!

Well. Where line two refers to an affirmative need to express modesty to get reeelected, line 3 is complimentary, saying he already has acknowledged merit, he possesses modesty and merit, and only says to be re-elected he must only carry through his efforts to conclusion.
Don't kill the messenger here! Interptet it yourself! I expect someone will get triggered here...

- LL
 

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17uc is such an ambiguous reading I think it's a non-answer.

How Will Trump Do In The November elections?
17 unchanging.
FOLLOWING, According With, Acquiring Followers,
- The Judgement -
Legge: Following
indicates successful progress and no error through firm correctness.
Wilhelm/Baynes: Following has supreme success. Perseverance furthers. No blame.

Seem pretty unambiguous to me.
"Supreme success" in running for office pretty much = " he will be reelected."
I understand if some chafe at that - but we all have our own troubles wih God.

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Indeed. 'Acquiring followers' sounds like a win, and 'following' sounds like losing. We have a thread on 17uc that's interesting reading: https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/fri...s-with-unchanging-castings-hexagram-17.16610/ .

For the rest... can we agree that 17 describes something objectively good happening? Not just good for the subject of the question, but objectively good?


The judgment is Supreme success.
Who that is good for, or whether it is a good or bad outcome for Trump or anyone else is nowhere in either the question, or in the reading. The question was about winning the election - or not. 17 says Supreme Success. Not who that is good for. Remember the Taoist farmer. "What makes you think it's a good thing?" the Farmer asked. He also asked "What makes you think it's a bad thing?"
And there is certain element of loss of freedom also in 17.
In 17, the male element thunder places himself under the female element lake, and so she joyfully follows. There is movement with pleasure. Part of the meaning of 17 is that to lead is to serve. This is all traditional translation stuff. Confucius says through firm correctness all under heaven will be found following at such a time.
I think it is very difficult to read it any other way than Trump wins pretty handily in November.
I do of course have political talking-head analysis, I have worked with and closely observed political consultants on all sides for decades. But meh.
We shall certainly see if this interpretation is accurate in about 5 months.

- LL
 

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Interptet it yourself!
I did, somewhere. (Here, for instance.) Yi giving this "advice" (of sorts - me asking about someone isn't the same as the person asking for him/herself) surely means there's a non-zero chance it could happen.

But for comparison, back in 2008, at some point in the primaries, I asked about Hillary Clinton's chances of winning, and Yi gave me - is there a line about "palace women"? I thought it meant she'd win. Well, no. In hindsight I think it meant if enough women voted for her. But they didn't. These sorts of readings are not necessarily foregone conclusions no matter how favorable they sound, is what I learned from that.

(Sorry I can't come up with the exact reading - (a) it's probably in a paper notebook, (b) I don't have the lines memorized.)

In this case Trump seems a lot more 16-ish than 15-ish, the exact paired hexagram, so maybe Yi means not only be 15-ish, but also don't be 16-ish. As I said to Trojina's dismay, I think he has some 15 in him, but it's overwhelmed by the 16...

On the other hand, the exact paired line is 16.4, "Source of enthusiasm. Great possessions gained. Do not doubt. Partners are gathered together as a hair clasp gathers hair." (Hilary's translation.)

I never know how to think about paired lines. It seems to refer to his base, but how exactly it works with the cast line, I don't know. Maybe, "support is there, in the background, if he can pull off 15.3"? (Whatever exactly 15.3 refers to - what's the 'completion'?") But again, I don't think "do not doubt" in a paired line can be taken as an absolute guarantee.


but we all have our own troubles wih God.
Excuse us?? ☹


Personally I wonder if your 17 could also mean "stay tuned, follow along, and you'll find out." There's certainly supreme success there - we will definitely find out, as you said. Maybe even Yi doesn't know yet.
We shall certainly see if this interpretation is accurate in about 5 months.
 

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I think it is very difficult to read it any other way than Trump wins pretty handily in November.


I wouldn't say it was difficult for you to read it any other way, I'd say it was impossible for you to read it any other way. You aren't reading you are posting your opinions with a Yi cast attached .


These threads on Trump you post are a complete charade because whatever cast you had you would say it meant the same thing, that Trump would be reelected. You aren't asking because you genuinely want to know, you are asking so you can post your pro Trump views on this forum again

So you start these threads to promote Trump via Yi readings. It is only natural therefore, given your intent is only to promote Trump, that various information from others will be put over about him. This has been moved to Open Space for some reason

Ever seen a thread where LL reads his cast as Trump failing ? Me neither. So he's repeatedly using this forum to promote Trump via Yi.

Why would anyone engage as if this were real ?

The solution is not to move this somewhere else because then the charade just continues.
 
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So you start these threads to promote Trump via Yi readings. It is only natural therefore, given your intent is only to promote Trump that various information will be put over about him.

Unfair. I am not campaigning, touting anyone's good or bad qualities, capabilities, or speaking on any issue or proselytizing for votes for anyone. I think you did on Brexit, but hey it's your country.
I asked about an outcome, for good or ill, better or worse, what will this outcome be?
Whether the outcome is good or bad you can certainly judge for yourself, but it is what it is.
I have learned a lot here. If you disagree with my interpretation, we can certainly discuss it.
After all group learning is a happy thing the Yi says, yes? ;)
And there is always something ponderous about the self taught.


- LL
 

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17 says Supreme Success. Not who that is good for.
There is a famous early reading in which a woman receives a reading with the full yuan heng li zhen. The diviner interprets this as favourable, but she says no, this refers to the four virtues, none of which she possesses. In other words, that these words describe an objective good, not just one from the point of view of the questioner (or subject of the question). So there are two ways to take this.
Personally I wonder if your 17 could also mean "stay tuned, follow along, and you'll find out."
:rofl:
We shall certainly see
We shall.
 

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There is a famous early reading in which a woman receives a reading with the full yuan heng li zhen. The diviner interprets this as favourable, but she says no, this refers to the four virtues, none of which she possesses. In other words, that these words describe an objective good, not just one from the point of view of the questioner (or subject of the question). So there are two ways to take this.

The querent may have disagreed with the Diviner in your example, denying it was about her for whatever reason perhaps because of their low opinion of self or self doubt, but that does not mean the Diviner was wrong or that the Yi was not talking about her. It does not mean that she did not possess those virtues, only that she judged herself harshly. Without any of those virtues would she be consulting the Yi at all?
And that she judged herself more harshly that the Yi, does not give you leave to substitute your biased moral judgment of a person, for the text and commentary of ancient Book Of Changes.
It s real stretch Hilary, and something I think you and your court do way too often.

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To hear you continually accuse everyone else of bias,
when you are well known by many here as being extremely biased and blind to it is laughable.
You are a hypocrite of the highest order,
powered by a 40 watt gas light.
 

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To hear you continually accuse everyone else of bias,
when you are well known by many here as being extremely biased and blind to it is laughable.
You are a hypocrite of the highest order,
powered by a 40 watt gas light.




Agreed, oh faithful vassal :rofl:

It is actually quite rare to see such blind hypocrisy.

It s real stretch Hilary, and something I think you and your court do way too often.

Your questions about Trump are only posted here to air your own views and I suspect may be a means for you to bolster up your own doubts. These aren't real questions or interpretations given you will make any answer mean what you want it to mean about Trump. You will then debase any interpretation offered that differs from yours. Therefore I think you are just using the forum as a platform, a soap box to air your views and worse make Yi be your mouth piece.


I do not find threads such as these even valid and object to you posting your own views via Yi casts and then being so blind to yourself to accuse others of the very thing you yourself do.
 
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Unfair. I am not campaigning, touting anyone's good or bad qualities, capabilities, or speaking on any issue or proselytizing for votes for anyone. I think you did on Brexit, but hey it's your country.
I asked about an outcome, for good or ill, better or worse, what will this outcome be?
Whether the outcome is good or bad you can certainly judge for yourself, but it is what it is.
I have learned a lot here. If you disagree with my interpretation, we can certainly discuss it.

You are campaigning in a sense and it's really not a great time to be campaigning for someone who is doing what is doing in the US right now. You would have said he'd win whatever cast you got. Just look back at your own threads and count how many casts you have said mean Trump will win or Trump is righteous. You can't go on masquerading as a sincere questioner coming here for discussion on your reading. You aren't that. You come to make a statement about your political views and will take any cast to support them.

Re Brexit I probably gave my own views as my own views I didn't try make every single Yi answer fit my own views. In general I don't ask political questions and I never did on Brexit. I never asked any questions on Brexit myself so I imagine I was commenting on someone else's thread.


I'm not saying you aren't a sincere questioner in other matters but in matters of Trump questions you aren't open to discussion you want to make Yi talk your POV
 

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How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?

17.
Following has supreme success.
Perseverance furthers.
No blame.

THUS THE SUPERIOR MAN AT NIGHTFALL GOES INDOORS FOR REST AND RECUPERATION.

One of Trump's unquestioned talents is his ability to "read" a crowd. He's got a real gift for sensing what his followers want to hear and for being able to say what ever works in the moment - even if it's the total opposite of what he said just the moment before. It's his survival instinct and it's gotten him through one near catastrophe after another all his life to the point where he has famously claimed, "I could shoot a man in broad daylight on fifth avenue and not get arrested." Hexagram 17. Following refers to this sort of ability to successfully go with the flow and assures us that if one can do this they will experience supreme success and further that there is no blame in doing what one has to do to survive. HOWEVER, this hexagram isn't necessarily indicating Trump will be re-elected. Indeed, knowing when to leave can be the smartest thing he could do so perhaps the the I Ching is telling us that now in view of the recent events Trump will sense his season in the sun is fading and who knows, maybe he'll leave the White House even before the election! Give it a rest, Trump and let the country recuperate!
 
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Well - now that I have you all on the record! We can revisit this in November! ;)

So let's get this straight -

Moss Elk thinks in 17 unchanging the image is the answer, and resting in your house means loss of employment in the election and going home.

Rosada thinks the success augury of 17 unchanging just refers to an ability to go with flow and a small level of success in that, but does not address the question of election directly. And like Moss Elk that the image is the answer not the judgment, and resting in his house means leaving the White House.

Trojina thinks - well she just thinks since it's existentially impossible Trump will be reelected, my interpretation is full of shit and I'm just here to plant a Trump 2020 sign on her lawn...

Hillary thinks 17 has dual meaning of both winning and losing (aquiring followers is winning but following is losing) AND since in her opinion Trump lacks the virtues required for the supreme success in the judgment of 17, the Yi is expressing some kind of backhanded sarcasm.

Liselle also thought the 17 unchanging image of resting in his house probably meant he loses the election.

Fanoffenka says her Tarot card reader says Covid19 takes down Trump.

Lavalamp agrees with Hillary that 17 has a dual meaning of following and acquiring follows, but sees them both as positive and included in the judgment that says supreme success. And that that is a direct answer to a direct question from the Yi, he will be successful in his relection bid. The male element supporting the female element from beneath indicating servant leadership.
And the image of "and so (this is why) the superior man goes inside at nightfall and rests" means a success comfortable enough to rest after hard campaigning, without having to look over your shoulder. His house means the White House he was reelected to, and the two Houses of Congress. Because if he didn't regain the House, Chairwoman Nancy Pelosi has vowed to keep trying to impeach him as long as he is in office. Then he would really have no rest.
I think this reading indicates a clean sweep for Republicans in November.

Anyone like to revise their reading before we put this to bed? Lol...
You know some friendly wagering might make this even more fun...

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One of Trump's unquestioned talents is his ability to "read" a crowd. He's got a real gift for sensing what his followers want to hear and for being able to say what ever works in the moment - even if it's the total opposite of what he said just the moment before.

I wouldn't say it's a gift unless the capacity to bullshit is a gift. The crowd's problem would be inability to read bullshit or perhaps a willing blindness to believe Mr Tangerine Man really can make things better for them.


Trojina thinks - well she just thinks since it's existentially impossible Trump will be reelected, my interpretation is full of shit and I'm just here to plant a Trump 2020 sign on her lawn...


I haven't said anywhere it is impossible Trump will get re elected. In any sane universe he wouldn't be but the American people put him there in the first place and the world was aghast with disbelief, so maybe they will do it again. If they do it once more the rest of the world will wonder what is wrong with them, I would wonder what is wrong with them.

Anyone like to revise their reading before we put this to bed? Lol...
You know some friendly wagering might make this even more fun...

You think interpreting the I Ching is a game to wager on for 'fun' ? I don't. It's clear that you have entirely missed the point of the comments you've received.

I don't think your Trump questions are there for any other reason than to allow you to air your views and possibly convince yourself he is a good and sane leader. I think your interpretations are to support your own buried misgivings about a lunatic you have hitherto supported.
 
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