I asked what Edward Riordans remote viewing of a technological worldwide signal, would mean for humans and got hexagram 13, Creates Harmony.

[Antoinettes]

Edward had been viewing the Q thing, he was tasked with finding what lay behind it, Lot's of Technology, he also viewed the Coronavirus back in 2017 and he did his own for an ominous feeling that wouldn't leave him alone, all three threads seem to culminate in this signal that comes from above and sweeps the world, he thought it created a hive mind. Does anyone think this could be a positive thing, or has this reading just told us that it means an AI run hive mind. An AI featured in his reading, the ultimate problem solver that freed humnaity to be creative. I am not comfortable, feel extremely anxious. Edward can be found on You Tube. Here is one that talks about most of it, time stamped I hope, starts about 2 minutes in. I haven't been very coherent, if you look at his work it is over quite a number of videos but the one I have given you, is him coming to some thoughts about it all.

 

[Freedda]

.... viewing the Q thing, .... that it means an AI run hive mind.

What is remote viewing? What is the 'Q thing'? What is AI, and what does this have to do with our current crisis? Oh, and what's a 'technological worldwide signal'? That's not what the video clip is about, and he doesn't even mention it???

 

[Antoinettes]

What is remote viewing? What is the 'Q thing'? What is AI, and what does this have to do with our current crisis? Oh, and what's a 'technological worldwide signal'? That's not what the video clip is about, and he doesn't even mention it???

Remote viewing is a trained person being given a task, which is represented by numbers commonly and asked to write their impressions, sensations etc. Q is a person or organisation that anonymously posts about American Politics on 8 Chan. The worldwide technological signal was something that Edward remote viewed. I posted the correct video In the next post I made, wasn't sure how to edit my origi, there are quite a few that have parts of the entire story. I fully accept that maybe no one will think any of it is valid. But if you do look at the second video and see my reading Hexagram 13, could the I Ching be just confirming what the signal is in Edwards reading and not a real world thing, maybe that should be my next question. Edward asks questions but instead of using the I Ching or like divinitory source, he accesses something within his own ability to know.

 

[moss elk]

Q as in Qanon conspiracy theories?

 

[Freedda]

maybe no one will think any of it is valid ....

Hello Antoinettes, and welcome. I don't want to be mean or invalidating - especially since you are new here - but first, I still don't completely know what you're asking (which is fine, I think I have enought info to respond); and second, in my opinion, most of what I saw in the videos seems to be a stream-of-consciosuness ramble, that didn't make much sense to me.


And the Yi's response to all this? Looking a Wilhelm's translation of 13:

FELLOWSHIP WITH MEN (people) in the open. Success.
It furthers one to cross the great water.
The perseverance of the superior man (people) furthers. ​

And his commentary about Hex. 13:

True fellowship among (humans) must be based upon a concern that is universal. It is not the private interests of the individual that create lasting fellowship among (people), but rather the goals of humanity.​

I don't always agree with Whihem's take on the Yi, but here he is pretty well describing my sense of it as well: that it is through our inner clarity that we can best relate to and act in the wider world - and that it is through this that we have 'fellowship with people', and we can find 'fulfillment even among differences'.

But I see the Yi's response as more of advice, or even a warning:

.... here we have all of these ramblings and nonsense about Q-anon, and AI, and the coronavirus having strains of ebola virus from Africa inserted into it in a Chinese bio-weapons lab, from which it escaped or was intentionaly released .... etc.​

This is NOT creating fellowship among people!

And hopefully adding a bit of fact into all this nonsense:

* "QAnon is a far-right conspiracy theory detailing a supposed secret plot by an alleged "deep state" against U.S. President Donald Trump and his supporters. The theory began with an October 2017 post on the anonymous imageboard 4chan .... (from Wikipedia)"

* As to AI, that means a lot of different things to different people: in one extreme, it is a Terminator / Sarah Conners / Sky-Net sort of thing where computers and machines grow so smart that they take over the world. That seems to be what Mr. Riordans and the man-children of Q-anon are referring to. (And Q-anon only meets half the AI criteria: it is artificial, but it is in no way intelligent!)

On the other hand I think that AI can simply mean making technologies and computers more useful: one example I found was a company that has developed AI software that can better and more efficiently detect cancer cells for breast cancer screenings (and I think has the 'AI' ability to learn from what it's seeing and become more intelligent from that). Is that an 'AI' which I would welcome - most definately!

But the most important 'I' decisions are the ones we make within ourselves: do we waste our time with and buy into the Q-anon and other nonsense, or do we try to have a bit more clarity than that?

D.

 

[rosada]

A technological world wide signal would mean fellowship for men in the open, allowing for successfully crossing the great water. It's worth persevering.

 

[Freedda]

A technological world wide signal would mean fellowship for men in the open

For me the emphasis is on 'having more clear, honest, open communication among all people!'

 

[moss elk]

A technological world wide signal would mean fellowship for men in the open, allowing for successfully crossing the great water. It's worth persevering.

It has existed since 1990.
It is called Internet.

 

[rosada]

You do realize I just tacked on the question to the interpretation of 13. Fellowship with Men in The Open, right?

Q. What would a technological world wide signal mean for humanity?
A. Hexagram 13.
Fellowship with men in the open.
Success. Crossing the great water.
The perseverance of the superior man furthers.

 

[moss elk]

You do realize I just tacked on the question to the interpretation of 13. Fellowship with Men in The Open, right?

Yeah, sure.

You do realize that Qanon is malarky right?
(and everything connected to it is suspect,
and should not be taken as remotely true)

 

[rosada]

Oh good.

I don't know anything about Qanon.

 

[moss elk]

Yes,
it's a conspiracy theorist who puts all sorts of nonsense together...
there is ovetlap with the crowds who go to t.rump rallies.
It's like a recruitment center for Suckers.

 

[Freedda]

I don't know anything about Qanon ....

My quote from wikipedia, above, summarizes Q-anon.

In truth, I'm not sure what Mr. Riordans is saying about it, or what conclusions he is drawing - I just got confused listening to his ramblings. It may be that he is not a big fan, and that perhaps it's part of the larger 'technocracy' that is going to take over, I just don't know.

(I looked up 'Technocracy' and read that it's "an ideological system of governance in which decision-makers are selected on the basis of their expertise in a given area of responsibility, particularly with regard to scientific or technical knowledge. This ... explicitly contrasts with the notion that elected representatives should be the primary decision-makers ...." So it's not really the machines taking over; but it's more that the people controlling the machine will!)

And also - and I don't want to stir things up too much here - I know quite a few people whom are, like me, left-leaning but whom are wack-jobs themselves, including many anti-vaxxers (opposed to vaccinations). Stupidity and hatred know no political, national, racial, or religious boundaries.

But for Q-anon in particular, here are a few exerpts from news stories that I found when I Googled 'Q-anon':

'Right-wing influencers and QAnon supporters are waging an information war against Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and top-ranking member of the White House's Coronavirus Task Force. They are falsely claiming that Fauci is working with Hillary Clinton and the deep state to cause an economic collapse and discredit President Donald Trump.'

'QAnon Supporters And Anti-Vaxxers Are Spreading A Hoax That Bill Gates Created The Coronavirus - It has no basis in reality, but that hasn’t slowed its spread across Facebook and Twitter.'

'Oprah Winfrey debunks bizarre QAnon conspiracy theory spreading across the Internet - an unhinged conspiracy theory had taken root, claiming that she was arrested for her role in a global sex trafficking ring. It reached a point where Winfrey felt compelled to address the rumors, which quickly spread across the Internet as people bored and trapped at home searched for some form of entertainment.'

So ... just the usual nonsense. And this is the kind of thing that I think Hex. 13 is cautioning us against! (But then again, I've always been a bit suspicious of Oprah!)

D.

 

[Antoinettes]

Hello Antoinettes, and welcome. I don't want to be mean or invalidating - especially since you are new here - but first, I still don't completely know what you're asking (which is fine, I think I have enought info to respond); and second, in my opinion, most of what I saw in the videos seems to be stream-of-consciosuness babble, so much so that I came up with a new term for it:

​

Cryto-nonsense! ​

And the Yi's response to all this? Looking a Wilhelm's translation of 13:

​

FELLOWSHIP WITH MEN (people) in the open. Success. ​

It furthers one to cross the great water. ​

The perseverance of the superior man (people) furthers. ​

And his commentary about Hex. 13:

​

True fellowship among (humans) must be based upon a concern that is universal. It is not the private interests of the individual that create lasting fellowship among (people), but rather the goals of humanity.​

I don't always agree with Whihem's take on the Yi, but here he is pretty well describing my sense of it as well: that it is through our inner clarity that we can best relate to and act in the wider world - and that it is through this that we have 'fellowship with people', and we can find 'fulfillment even among differences'.

But I see the Yi's response as more of advice, or even a warning:

​

.... here we have all of these ramblings and crypto-nonsense about Q-anon, and AI, and the coronavirus having strains of ebola virus from Africa inserted into it in a Chinese bio-weapons lab, from which it escaped or was intentionaly released .... etc.​

This is NOT creating fellowship among people!

And hopefully adding a bit of fact into all this crypto-nonsense:

* "QAnon is a far-right conspiracy theory detailing a supposed secret plot by an alleged "deep state" against U.S. President Donald Trump and his supporters. The theory began with an October 2017 post on the anonymous imageboard 4chan .... (from Wikipedia)"

* As to AI, that means a lot of different things to different people: in one extreme, it is a sort of Terminator / Sarah Conners / Sky-Net sort of thing where computers and machines grow so smart that they take over the world. That seems to be what Mr. Riordans and the man-children of Q-anon are referring to. (And Q-anon only meets half the AI criteria: it is artificial, but it is in no way intelligent!)

On the other hand I think that AI can simply mean making technologies and computers more useful: one example I found was a company that has developed AI software that can better and more efficiently detect cancer cells for breast cancer screenings (and I think has the 'AI' ability to learn from what it's seeing and become more intelligent from that). Is that an 'AI' which I would welcome - most definately!

But the most important 'AI' decisions are the ones we make within ourselves: do we waste our time with and buy into the Q-anon / Riordans' crytpo-nonsense, or do we try to have a bit more clarity than that?

D.

Many banks have taken up crypto currency and some are using blockchain. people are being given money by the American Govt, directly into their digital accounts. I myself rarely have cash, many big cities in China are already cashless. Facebook wants to put out it's own bitcoin. I find it quite astonishing that someone who let's a computer throw coins to divine for them, finds remote viewing beyond the pale. Edward was tasked to look at what would be the circumstances for crypto currency being widely adopted back in 2017. A remote viewer doesn't know what they are viewing, they are given numbers usually, it is just a focus point. The American Military used it for 20 years and probably still do. His viewing in 2017 was quite bizarre and frightening, it had the signal and a virus in it. if you don't understand how remote viewing works then it could look jumbled, but it is in gfact very strict training so that the imagination doesn't take over, it is a learned and hined practice. I wont be asking any more questions on this board, the level of semsitivity and deep insight is very low. Please don't bother to reply, because I am not coming here ever again, a complete waste of time, as I am sure you will agree.

 

[moss elk]

I wont be asking any more questions on this board, the level of semsitivity and deep insight is very low.

Clarity sees through QAnon,
and is the definition of Insight.
Most of us here, with a handful of exceptions, welcome our ideas being challenged,
because that's how we learn and grow.

and Ironically, some of us can enjoy the X-files while seeing it for what it is.

 

[Freedda]

Many banks have taken up crypto currenc

As far as I can tell, your question was about 'what ... a technological worldwide signal would mean for humans.' I answered that. My answer wasn't based on "cryptocurrency" or how anyone uses that. I am thinking however, that maybe my made up word 'crypto-nonsense' is confusing so I removed it.

Please don't bother to reply, because I am not coming here ever again, a complete waste of time, as I am sure you will agree ....

I don't agree - and I am sorry you feel that way. I gave you my response; but that doesn't mean that it's' right' or that you need to agree with what I said.

I am not sure what more were you expecting?

 

[rosada]

I'm sorry to see you leave, Antoinettes, and if you do happen to see this and feel to rejoin us please know you are welcome. I have personally experienced remote viewing so I know this is a real phenomenon but I also can understand how some of the posters here who have not experienced it can so emphatically believe it is hog wash. I guess those of us who find it an interest worth persevering just have to avoid coming across like we're trying to convince anyone, but also not to be intimidated into hiding our truth. I think the line in 13. about "crossing the great water" is particularly intriguing. It suggests to me that ultimately we will be able to communicate with a much larger bandwidth of vibrations than we are able pick up on at present - now we can reach foreign countries but ultimately other planets, alternative universes, deceased loved ones, past lives? What the mind can conceive the man can achieve!

 

[Freedda]

For me the emphasis is on 'having more clear, honest, open communication among all people!'

This is what I said above, and it pretty much sums up my 'take' on the reading ....

....you may have the wrong opinion of Fredda and myself. He and I are critical thinkers ....

I suppose, though my sense of this was not so much from a 'critical thinking' point of view: I just watched and listened to Mr. Riordans, found him confusing, and not very convincing (for me), and in the end he's 'not my cup of tea'. I don't know how critically I thought about it really.

Best, F-Anon

 

[rosada]

It doesn't matter what my opinion here is, what matters is what's Ann's opinion here is and you guys came down on her with such force that she left. Not cool.

 

[Freedda]

It doesn't matter what my opinion here is, what matters is what's Ann's opinion here is and you guys came down on her with such force that she left. Not cool.

I think what matters here is all of our opinions.

I looked back at what I wrote, and I can see that it may feel a bit harsh (and being the critical thinker that I am, I went back and changed some things I said about Riorodans, and removed my 'crypto-nonsense' nonsense). However, I'll say that I did ask at least once for clarification of what Anton.... was asking about and it was never clarified: was it a general question about this guy's remote viewing ability, or was it about what he was saying in particular about COVID-19, or the COVID-19/ebola connection, or about cyrto-currency, or AI, or the 'technological worldwide signal'?

And also in looking back at what I wrote, it did include what I felt was a thoughful response to what the Yi was saying. And I don't feel that I ever attacked Anton.., personally.

And yes, I did watch this guy and my response was probably colored by my reaction to him, but again, this was in part because I was never quite sure what I was supposed to be answering or paying attention to .... And, I'd be willing to discuss this it with Anton ... But to slam the door in our faces, and to then lay the blame at my feet .... sorry, but I'm not buying it.

(And we can take this off-forum - e.g. messaging - if you feel you want to.)

D

 

[moss elk]

You guys came down on her with such force that she left. Not cool.

Oh! that mean old force of Truth!
How dare it interfere with
what someone wants to believe!

What you are defending here is indefensible.

I offer that it is profoundly more unkind to allow un-truths and misinformation to propagate and mislead people.
Sunlight has a tendency to burst bubbles.

 

[Liselle]

Without having followed this at all, never even heard of it before - any chance 13uc just means there's room enough for all of us in the wide world, and if we meet "in the wilds" we can pick and choose what we want to believe or buy into and ignore the rest? (Am getting that from M.E.'s point in one of the coronavirus threads that 13-type fellowship is different from 37's - we can tolerate people outdoors who we wouldn't want to live with.) https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/fri...y-to-fight-coronavirus-13uc.29655/post-284533

Not really a direct answer to Antoinette's question, though, but... (I kind of wonder if the reading's Yi's version of a shrug, actually? Believe in this if you want, if you don't that's fine too...)

edit - aaand just figured out Elm Sauce.

 

[moss elk]

aaand just figured out Elm Sauce.

There is no meaning to figure out, at all.
No hidden message implied.
Get your mind out of the gutter.
It's just alliterative sound play.

elm sauce would technically be Sap,
I suppose. Not the kind of Sap one would use to hit someone over the head with,
nor the Sucker/Sap who get conked.
(gee, three meanings for Sap and we still get frustrated by polysemus Chinese words)

 

[Liselle]

There is no meaning to figure out, at all.
No hidden message implied.
Get your mind out of the gutter.

There was no gutter within a hectare of my mind. It's just I hadn't been paying attention, thought Elm Sauce was an actual Clarity member, was very confused why you would let him/her use your avatar...

 

[moss elk]

Yeah so,
QAnon...

The t.Rump supporting QAnon-ers believe that the Orange skinned man baby is rooting cannibals out of the u.s. government.

Facebook Removes Accounts Linked to QAnon Conspiracy Theory

President Trump has retweeted QAnon-promoting accounts

time.com