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Hi,

I thought of this a few days ago, and it seems to be making sense.

The I Ching is a work of sociology, cosmology, psychology, and politics, and the images and situations described are found throughout society, history, and human life.

Instead of flipping coins/yarrow stalks to get a random answer to a question, why couldn't I just look in the I Ching by looking for a situation in the hexagram's stories, the lines, and/or (what I always found very useful in readings) meditating on interaction of the two trigrams according to their descriptions in the Shuo Kua?

You can learn a lot about society and your life just by reading the I Ching, no "fortune-telling" required.

What do you think?
 

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The I Ching is a work of sociology, cosmology, psychology, and politics, and the images and situations described are found throughout society, history, and human life.
yes, thats how i see it too.

Instead of flipping coins/yarrow stalks to get a random answer to a question, why couldn't I just look in the I Ching by looking for a situation in the hexagram's stories, the lines, and/or (what I always found very useful in readings) meditating on interaction of the two trigrams according to their descriptions in the Shuo Kua?

You can learn a lot about society and your life just by reading the I Ching, no "fortune-telling" required.

What do you think?

Because sometimes we haven't got a clue what is this all about around as. The imperfections of being human... biases, stereotypes, false evaluations ... etc etc . The "rational model" re human thinking doesn't persuade me a lot. I believe to the irrational human thinking

The mother of a friend is a teacher, psychologist and a trainer for psych students. As a mum she makes the common mistakes mother do... Make no sense taking into account the knowledge yet seen her as a human being becomes more easy to understand.

to me, Yi gives hints, longitude and latitude; its not mere knowledge. its the synch times... the aha! ...

eta : The title of your post caught my attention and I was expecting to read something else i.e. whether we "ask" , without a specific question, which sometimes I do. I just say : " talk to me.. I listen" in a h 41 way.
 
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probably you have seen this : its out again , for almost 3 weeks now and millions of people have seen the new video based on " this is water" speech which starts with the following story.

There are these two young fish swimming along, and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says, "Morning, boys, how's the water?" And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes,

"What the hell is water?"
 

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probably you have seen this : its out again , for almost 3 weeks now and millions of people have seen the new video based on " this is water" speech which starts with the following story.

I've never seen/heard of this video, and the estate of the author (David Foster Wallace) seems to be shutting it down.
 

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You can learn a lot about yourself and life by looking at yourself and life too. Books, including fortune telling tools such as I Ching are just mirrors reflecting one of many possible facets of now.

Good hunting other me :)
 

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You can learn a lot about society and your life just by reading the I Ching, no "fortune-telling" required.

I think it depends on how we define fortune telling. My impression is that one way or another we try to predict the future even when we ask about the past or now or one sec after. Line 10.6 is an example.

I don't disagree that reading and knowing by heart the book offers nothing. We learn, we become more aware how things work, we change behaviors or make more informed decision and i is not the only way to find our way- in terms of knowledge. There are proverbs, stories, yi lines that if we take and compare them, they contradict each other but each of them in certain occasions is correct.

Even the Yi, as a simple book without any "magic" embodied, makes it clear with the sequence of the hexs . We arrive at hex 63 with is a temporary position and the order we have achieve could transform to chaos, and we are that little inexperienced fox that knows little how to cross the frozen river and arrive to h3 and start again putting an order to the chaos.

from shore to shore we travel and sometimes we know were we are heading to and some others we are away from the path. And sometimes we get got instructions and some others Yi says in various ways "4.4 !!! :mischief: Enjoy!!!" That's how Yi was written-using my poetic licence- from those 4.4 moments . That is, most of the times, when learning occurs, me thinks
 

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In effect this is what people do when they are writing translations and commentaries on the Yijing. It's much more challenging because the meanings are so much broader than they are after they have been narrowed by a question. And I dare say most writers get lost in this and lose the center or core of the meanings.
 

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weiwuwei,
I disagree that the Yi is a work of the things you've mentioned, though it can be utilized for those and more. I think those are all things that we bring to the Yi, not what Yi brings to us.
 

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If someone hasn't ever been in a thunderstorm, probably will never understand the meaning of h51. ( i put it in a very simplistic way here). That's what the book talks about,imo; the literal (the way trigrams interact) and symbolic thunderstorms. I agree that trigrams and the hex's are central to our attempt to understand what a hex its about. Its just perplex me what we mean by fortune-telling, random answers, and whether we take for granted that as long as we "know" something we are always in touch with it.
 
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That's how Yi was written-using my poetic licence- from those 4.4 moments .

My version of the book :)

magic box

There was a man thousands years ago that loved to hear stories. He traveled a lot around the world and met thousands of people. To every man, woman or child he met he did the same question. “Tell me a story from your life” People talked to him and he wrote their stories.

After some year doing the same thing he noticed that some stories where similar. Then he started to categorize them and created 64 different categories. From that day, every night was putting the stories he wrote during the day in the 64 different small bags he had made. During wintertime when traveling wasn’t easy he opened each of the 64 bags and reread the stories. He noticed that in each bag, there where 6 differed kind of stories. He kept traveling, he kept asking but he was writing down less new stories. As the years were passing he was writing less and less. The stories he was hearing was already known to him. Till the time came where for almost two year he didn’t find a new story. Everything he heard was already written. It was the time to stop traveling.

The winter was almost there so he found a place to stay, make a wooden box and put his stories in the box. One night he saw a dream. He heard a knock at his door. He opened it and he saw a crowd of people entering into his house. We want the wooden box they told him. No its mine he replied. But the people start searching in the house to find the box. It belongs to us they keep telling him. He woke up . The dream was so vivid in his mind but he couldn’t understand the message. The dream keep coming night after night until one day, pondering on the dream and holding the box , he thought. Maybe gods don’t wanted from me to collect the stories but to spread them and those people coming in my dream and looking for the box try to tell me that.

When the spring came, he took the box and a bag and start traveling again. This time he didn’t ask people. People where asking him. “what do you keep in that box?” “Stories” he replied. “can I read one ?” some people were asking. Of course, the man was saying and opening the box. They were picking a story and start reading. From their face expressions and the tone of their voice the man noticed that something was happening. The people reading the story at the and were telling him. This is exactly what is going on in my life now.

The man at the beginning thought it might be a coincidence but after a long time the same thing happening again and again realized that this was not just a coincidence but something else that he couldn’t explain. Some of the people who read the stories visited again the man. There were people told him that the story they read help them to solve their problem and some others told him that they wish to pay more attention to the story they read because it turn to be the solution of their problem but they realized when it was too late.

“You are a wise man” one day someone told to the man with the box. No I’m not, he replied. I don’t do anything, the box does. The box and you.

There are many stories about what happened to the man and the box. Some stories say that when he was near to the end of his life he gave it to a young man and told him: “remember, it doesn’t belong to you but to all the people” Some other stories say that he met some people that he trust him and let them make a copy of the stories saying them the same thing. “Never forget that you are just the carrier of this box. It’s the box and the people who search for it that make the magic. Don’t force the people to use it. Those who need it they will come and find you”

This is the story of the magic box.
 

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Each hexagram represents a specific era or world; its name tells what kind of era or world is, and its text is the preface which tells its origin, (and/or) status quo, (and/or) surroundings, and/or direction; six lines are six different time-spaces in a hexagram, and they develop from the bottom to the top; the sequence links the 64 hexagrams into the world where we live, and change makes us roam in this world.

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