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i got hex 41-> 61 two time for the same argument

patro

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hello all,
this evening i tossed coins to get a confirmation about a situation... from which i think to be something but from which i haven't the proof.

i got hex 41-> 61

after a bit i tossed again coins to ask why this condition will not explained or comunicate to me... and again i got 41-> 61

any clue on both?

for the first one... i think the answer is not just "yes it is like you think" but a condition that will be increased more... like to say "the situation isn't just this it's more than this".

for the second one is like to say... that the situation will be early or later comunicate to me... the situation is growing... the upcoming steps lead to that.

any clue, suggestions.... experience with this combination to share?
thank you in advance
 
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Is my understanding of the situation correct?
41.5 > 61


If you dig deeper (41), you'll get to the heart of the matter (61). That is, the signs of confirmation you need are in the situation but haven't been perceived yet.

Six in the fifth place means:
Someone does indeed increase him.
Ten pairs of tortoises cannot oppose it.
Supreme good fortune.

The translators do not agree on the meaning of this text. 1. negative divination has no effect (Wilhelm, Hilary, Jou). 2. A gift of plastra cannot be refused (Bradford, Legge). 3. The giver cannot refuse to give the plastra (Blofeld). I prefer 1. because the upper nuclear trigram is Kun and suggests a negative response from the plastra.
 

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hi Pocossin,
as always your way to analise the answer is interesting, enlighten and give me an additional way to consider the situation.

"I prefer 1. because the upper nuclear trigram is Kun and suggest a negative response from the plastra."
interesting, i see the trigram as to be humble in receiving the enrichment.

also it's part of the nuclear hexagram nourishment... not bad... it lead to increase in the right way.
 
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Hi Patro,

41.5 can spark all kinds of examples, but include 61 in the equation and eyes begin to glaze over. If I start at 61, then find that this inner truth can not be lost nor prevented, as per line 5 of 41, I am brought back to inner truth, with almost nothing of myself said or done or decided.

If you are a conduit, a single pipeline, then matter and energy can travel in either direction... just not at the same time. So, to absolutely guarantee increase, decrease.

Don't worry or think about you, what you give or lose. And you gain everything, as though ten Haily Marys told you, that's how it is. It's an opportunity you can't refuse.
 

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hi Sooo,
i'm trying to have a deeper understanding of what you wrote... i'm not english.. so it's a bit difficult to me to get the right message.. but i'm trying.
i'll let you know
 
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sooo

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Sorry, Patro. I'm using street talk. I was actually trying to make more than one point, but for this thread, 61 is available to what is decreased, the way an empty bowl is available to fresh fruit (and a few nuts too).

If you look at hexagram 61, there is a big, presumably empty hole in the middle. It's an image of a seed, but could also be an empty bowl. Almost seeming to mimic this feature, is line 5 of 41, preparing to be filled up, and nothing could prevent it. What then is filling up, if the individual is being decreased? I see it as 61 being filled up. Your gained riches are in your deeper understanding.
 
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Sooo, are you saying that i got the point... like a empty bowl. now i need to focus more on the details? like to fill the empty bowl!!
 
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No, if I got this, I'd be thinking it's best to delay any conclusions for awhile, let things you intuitively feel right about settle into that empty space awhile. Then when I act, it will be in accord with the time, as though already being filled with 61.

On small levels, we do this sort of thing all the time, without thinking much of it. You feel lazy, you don't want to get off the couch, but you know you have this and that to do. But, still, you yield to feeling tired, and irresponsibly loafing on the coach. Then SUDDENLY, *POP*, you're wide awake and just jump into the things you need to do, as though with no thought or effort of your part. That's what I'd wait for.
 

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If you look at hexagram 61, there is a big, presumably empty hole in the middle. It's an image of a seed, but could also be an empty bowl.

Thank you, sooo. Like the nest of a crane, isn't it? :)
 
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hebe

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I like that idea Sooo, it's a very tangible feeling and easy to relate to - the whole idea of that lazing on a couch until the 'moment' comes - Yes! ... if that is what 41;5 is about then that image certainly helps, thanks.
 

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