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http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/history/history.php said:The earliest records of divination in China date from the early Shang dynasty. Divining involved heating animal bones in a fire and studying the cracks that formed in them, in order to perceive the quality of the time: was it right to make a sacrifice, to open communication with the spirits and ancestors?
Deuteronomy 18 said:Detestable Practices
9 When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter ina the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you. 13 You must be blameless before the Lord your God.
She developed severe fibroid myalgia during the process (the spirits told her that it was good for her). She died after the book was published -- they killed her, the fallen angel spirits that she consulted with, mistaking them for 'ancestors', 'guardian angles' and other 'benevolent entities'!
Spiderman
I get the feeling you are quite young. Am I right?
Gene
How do you know this?
Awaken yourself to the dangers of divination and spirit communication, as the Bible had warned us all!
Did she have fibroid myalgia (pain from fibroid tumors on the wall of the uterus) or fibromyalgia (generalized muscle pain)? Neither of these conditions are life threatening sofar as I know. The bible is not now commonly used as a manual to diagnose disease. If you believe she was killed by fallen angels, maybe you should report them to the police
I consider trance to be unwholesome, but no one I know of at Clarity puts themselves in a trance to divine.
Voltaire said:Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of which they know nothing.
Not life threatening?
Not life threatening?
Lynn Grabhorn became so severely affected by her illness that at one point in her book, her disabling disease did not even allow her to crawl across the living room.
In the book, she also stated that the spirits informed her that her "pain" was merely transitory, that it was necessary for her "development". I kid you not.
hmm, about being patient with superman....I find this whole series meaningless. I doubt that anyone knows any reality in what happened to Lynn Grabhorn. Whether spirits ultimately finish us off or just material cause and effect is not something we can easily grasp with our present scientific understanding.
What is more important is, if you feel doing I Ching readings is contacting evil spirits, why are you here? You are not going to convince members of this board that they are devil worshippers. That is just not going to happen.
So, now, back to the Bible. The entire fundamentalist perspective is based on an entire literal translation of the Bible as the unequivocal and wholly inspired word of God. But taking that pespective leaves multiple problems. In one place in the "Old Testament" it says that David was ordered by God to number the people. In another place, regarding the same story, it is said that David was ordered to number the people (take a census) by the Devil. The fundamentalists would say it is two different occassions, it isn't, but even if it is, why would God and the Devil tell him to do the same thing? And why are men who are supposedly to be of God follow the Devil? There is a deeper story.
Now, the Children of Israel were told by "YHVH" not to practice divination as the people in Canaan did. The key here is comparing this activity with that of the people of Canaan. The inference, (without going into a lot of storyline) is that the people of Canaan were descendants of the giants (nephalim) that mated with the "children of men" (young women of the earth race) and as such were a fallen race. Therefore their divination practices were dangerous. (Am I saying this is true? I don't know, but that was the inference of the story) Therefore they were not to follow the same practices. Yet we have no indication that Joseph was punished horribly for divining about the status of his brothers in Egypt. The Priests after the line of Aaron, or the line of the tribe of Israelites that were meant to be priests (I have a mental block on their name right now,) were in any way punished for practicing divination. But it is well known now that the priests who wore the breastplates with the 12 stones used the breastplate for divination. The problem wasn't the divination, nor was there a problem with working with the spirits of the ancestors. The problem was the intermarriage, (of which the Canaanites were descendants) of the ones who fell from heaven, and the women of the earth race, and the devolution that came about from that marriage. It doesn't mean that anyone who contacts a spirit is in line with the devil.
In the so called, "New Testament" it is said to test the spirits, whether they be of God. Now, how do we know what spirit we are contacting? Simply by knowing what kind of people we are. If we have good motives we have contact with good spirits, otherwise...
But as was said before, no one here that most of us know of is contacting some kind of spirit before they throw the coins, or divide the yarrow stocks. The message of the I Ching in its inner context and that of the Bible in its more esoteric meaning are the same message. They cannot truly be divided. The highest use of the I Ching is to learn about ourselves and our higher self, and that is also true of the Bible. In essence they are the same book.
By the way, where does the word divine come from? It is a little more than coincidence that the words for God in the English language, and the word for the Devil come from the same source. Divine, devil, (divil) (deos, deo, theos theo, theology,) (Deus,Zeus, Divine) (Dos, two, deuce, devil) Two is separation. It is the yin and yang of God in the separated state. They are one and the same thing.
Gene
By the way, where does the word divine come from? It is a little more than coincidence that the words for God in the English language, and the word for the Devil come from the same source. Divine, devil, (divil) (deos, deo, theos theo, theology,) (Deus,Zeus, Divine) (Dos, two, deuce, devil) Two is separation. It is the yin and yang of God in the separated state. They are one and the same thing.
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It is not a mistake. These words go back much farther than this.
Gene
I have yet to see a spirit of an ancestor while divining, and you are encouraging me to believe that I should be. When I divine I use pennies that have the head of Abraham Lincoln on one side and the Lincoln memorial on the other. Do you think that the spirit of Abraham Lincoln is present while I divine? I admit to having a respectful attitude toward Lincoln but have never seen his presence. Next time I will try harder. Thanks for the encouragement.
chuckle..
but if you did call him up while coins were still spinning.. who knows? He might pick up. lol
It is a convoluted mess of words that have grown throughout the years.
Clarity,
Office 17622,
PO Box 6945,
London.
W1A 6US
United Kingdom
Phone/ Voicemail:
+44 (0)20 3287 3053 (UK)
+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).