I'm a Powerful Woman- Stay Away! Hex 14 .1.5 >44

[yxeli]

Well Now..

I've read the Forums re; 44, loads of confusion!!

This Hexagram is really hard to decipher- what makes a woman powerful?
1000 Yrs BC what constituted a powerful woman?
Trying to get my head around it cos I got 14 to begin with - I consider this promising..

I asked : Is his wish to begin (start from scratch) again a sign of attraction?

Commentary :

In hexagram 14 one's perseverance for recognition (35) has succeeded, in that we are in a position of power; strongly committed and actively guiding development from centre stage, although one must be wary of being too forceful.
-EIC

With line 1 and 5 changing:

Past and future meet NOW, stay where you are and look around, feel the wind, evaluate expectations and ideas. Everything which clings to you will be part of the (your) future. If it hinders you, the future will be greatly hindered. If it accords with essences and your inner essence, the future will be essential and rich. Do not underestimate harmless little vices: they can very well ruin the rest of your life.

Melon enwrapped in willow. A hidden creation descended from heaven.
Carry and treat the future heir with respect - Heaven made it. Every creative action or thought should be handled this way. They may look easy but creativity grows only when everything is right: the seed, the soil, the season. It needs the completeness of nature. It can not be summoned when it is absent.

-Yijing

This then moved to hex 44

Whats Goin on here!!

Thanks!

Yx

 

[tifa]

Hello yxeli,

If this helps....

I see changing lines in hexagram 14 very favorable. Although having said that it is favorable, the resultant hexagram suggest that you shouldn't be too intiative in this courtship.

I believe others will have a different opinion.

Good luck
Tifa

 

[zhan1]

Hi yxeli,

Melon enwrapped in willow

This is from Hexagram 44 line 5, not Hexagram 14. Generally, you can read the lines as being without gender, so that Hx 44 can apply to anyone that feels strongly attracted to another person.

 

[white owl]

Yxeli- He is feeling possesive about you. That does carry power in that. That is so true what did constitue a "powerful" woman 1000yrs bc..lol To bad we dont have a time machine to figure that one out. I bet she wasnt that scary..just could make your heart pound.. Haha, I agree with Zhan1 most often it is generic.. it has to be. But yet its very personal at the same time.

 

[yxeli]

Thanks zhan...too many hexagram windows open at the same time!

In that case the changing lines are ;

Initial 9 : Avoid intercourse with harm. Without fault. A difficult principle, no fault.
In a time of great possession, material or mental, it is easy to forget carefulness. Avoid trouble and don't become the problem yourself. It may be tempting to meddle in affairs, but weigh whether your efforts make progress or problems.

6 at 5: His truth is then associating, then awesome (impressive). Auspicious.
A strong character is authorative when that is necessary, but just as easy he can be nice and sympathizing. For both one needs strength, and even more so for changing at the right moment

Just to clear things up.

 

[sooo]

1000 Yrs BC what constituted a powerful woman?

That's a good question. I'd think the same as what makes a powerful woman today. Maybe a good question is, just what is a powerful woman? And then compare that to the image of 44, to see if that woman really is powerful, or if true possession of power means being unaware of your possession of it, yet having full access to it when it's needed.

I see this as a good place to be, because on one hand, there is possession of power (chi), but the more basic instincts are not sacrificed. It may sound cliche to some, but this looks like a case where the virtue of a woman is her power. It is her possession, owning the woman that makes her able to rise like bread, beyond being woman or man, but able to nourish both. Like Kuan Yin, Jesus' mom, and maybe Joni Mitchell.

 

[sooo]

http://www.youtube.com/user/henhenstoll?blend=6&ob=5

 

[yxeli]

 

[yxeli]

Like Kuan Yin, Jesus' mom, and maybe Joni Mitchell.

only problem with that is, who wants to get it on with the virgin mary?!?

 

[white owl]

http://www.youtube.com/user/henhenstoll?blend=6&ob=5

Cool song, I dont know tho Sooo, she seems too scary for me.. what a voice! Thanks for sharing.

 

[sooo]

only problem with that is, who wants to get it on with the virgin mary?!?

Yeah, you have a point. Guess I wasn't thinking of getting it on. But....

Many poets and dreamers get it on with Kuan Yin. Avalokiteśvara must be a most magnanimous husband to permit her so many lovers. It's originally why he placed the moon out of man's reach. Ever since then, those things the heart lusts after always seem out of reach, even to those who already possess it.

 

[bradford]

This Hexagram is really hard to decipher- what makes a woman powerful?

Away we go again with the Yijing's most misunderstood statement, at least in the modern and feminist era. People too quickly jump on this one and see only what they hope to see.
Were they speaking of a powerful woman in the good sense, as of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the words would be in the reverse order, zhuang nu, not nu zhuang.
In the order given, it is a woman who has had power surrendered to her. In most cases it's a metaphor for the power to be seduced away from your higher purposes, the forces of dissipation and distraction. This theme is developed further in the lines, although in a couple, too much restraint has consequences as well. The hexagram is a warning to use restraint, to not be seduced by the power, to fight entropy.

 

[yxeli]

@sooo Thanks- i must look into this stuff alot more, its a lovely whimsical idea, and i think the guy in question really holds those lofty ideals for love, which in reality are just too high to maintain imo.

@ bradford i think you hit the nail on the head. Thanks very much!

 

[sooo]

@sooo Thanks- i must look into this stuff alot more, its a lovely whimsical idea, and i think the guy in question really holds those lofty ideals for love, which in reality are just too high to maintain imo.

As it was intended to be, whimsical, and it was speaking not to the woman of 44, but to your question of what made a woman powerful in 1000 BC.

That's a good question. I'd think the same as what makes a powerful woman today. Maybe a good question is, just what is a powerful woman? And then compare that to the image of 44, to see if that woman really is powerful, *or if true possession of power means being unaware of your possession of it, yet having full access to it when it's needed.

My idealism is intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, in the same vein as Brad's Buffy the Vampire Slayer strong woman hero ideal. Only my fantasy is more into Quan Yin, while Brad has a thing for Buffy.

The question I intended to present to you, or whomever, is: is this woman (i.e. Buffy/Quan Yin) the strong woman of 44? Or does it speak of another woman?

Brad's position on this has seemed to remain unshaken, but so has LiSe's position in the opposite direction. It has another story to tell, and a different empowerment as well.

Also, I chose Joni for my Buffy because she really is an alluring woman to me. Distracting, dissolving yeah, that's true, but alluring doesn't always imply cheap or undeserving of marriage. There may be other reasons why not to grasp that woman. Maybe she's already married to her music and art, or religion, or ideal, which may even include feminism.

* Regarding 14, I typically receive it at times when it seems as though I possess nothing.

 

[yxeli]

My idealism is intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, in the same vein as Brad's Buffy the Vampire Slayer strong woman hero ideal. Only my fantasy is more into Quan Yin, while Brad has a thing for Buffy.

Yes of course! Sorry if i gave the impression that i was taking this super-solemnly! My Super Woman would be Bjork Btw! \m/

but yes i agree with everyone -that it doesn't really apply to either gender, its not that simple. i was just trying to get to the underlying meaning. ( by exaggerating a point to grab peoples attention- it worked! )

Lises' 44 :

Temptation is an interesting thing. It could bring ruin, or it might bring something life giving.
Everyone needs challenges, to awaken the senses, in order to feel fully alive. And who knows what may manifest from it? What 44 represents is that which is powerfully attractive to the ego. It can be a person, an event or something you have unwittingly put into train, which takes off out of control and far beyond your plan.
When we build a structure around us to protect us from 'wrong' and 'bad', we can build a solid life. But what we lose then, is our vulnerability to be freely influenced. That means we also lose our creativity and our receptivity to life's impulses.
Gou is dangerous and seductive, but it brings the birth of the heir.

bradford

In the order given, it is a woman who has had power surrendered to her. In most cases it's a metaphor for the power to be seduced away from your higher purposes, the forces of dissipation and distraction. This theme is developed further in the lines, although in a couple, too much restraint has consequences as well. The hexagram is a warning to use restraint, to not be seduced by the power, to fight entropy.

EIC

In hexagram 44 we are crossing the border. It symbolises the way from the light to the passive and seductive dark. A point of potential and non-innocence far from the actual and innocent. It is the path from the firm to the yielding, emphasized in the image by the using of the concept of fate as a tool to control the people (i.e. "It is supposed to be this way, it is fated."). The line comments emphasize the concept of holding on to things possibly past their, or your, time; their apparent 'value' keeping the tie. Contextually, we are combining seeding with commitment.

In regard to my original question to the yi, whether or not beginning again is a sign of attraction, and knowing the guy in question, i think bradfords interpretation is the one.

He holds his freedom above everything else, and he has often described me as being a 'distraction' ( romantic, i know! )


Yx

 

[sooo]

whether or not beginning again is a sign of attraction

Personally, I think your answer is in your original question. Obviously if there was no such attraction, they would not be a beginning again. So, rather than Yi speaking about him or you, it may be referring to you both, or the situation as a whole, the nature of this attraction (chemistry).

I maintain, it is not solely a negative, nor is 44 by itself only a negative. There is creative potential within the energy it presents. Changing from 14, I'd say there's lots to draw from between you. It's the best of both worlds, as I see it. You don't have to give up the lower to possess the higher.

anyhoo.... thanks for a thought provoking thread.

 

[white owl]

My vote is for Miss Piggy..I love how she karate chops Kermit! " Hiiiiii Yaaaw!"

 

[sooo]

 

[sooo]

Miss Piggy gets saucy.

 

[white owl]

Haha...Great pics!!

 

[white owl]

Lmao!

 

[bradford]

 

[sooo]

yeah bay-be!

 

[bradford]

yeah bay-be!

Just what part of 勿用取女 did you not understand?

 

[sooo]

Not your definitions on this one, I can tell you that.

 

[bradford]

Not your definitions on this one, I can tell you that.

You recognize this sweet young thing as Xena's kickass nemesis, Callisto? This is the one who rips the flesh from your loins in line 3.

 

[sooo]

Brad, how does this enter into your view of 44?

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=8682

I've always found it difficult to extract a positive meaning from the position you always take on 44. There seems no give to the benefit of this hexagram experience from you, that I've ever been able to discern. It's an automatic 'tie up the maiden', rather than simply not marrying her. Heaven ought not fear the wind.

 

[sooo]

You recognize this sweet young thing as Xena's kickass nemesis, Callisto? This is the one who rips the flesh from your loins in line 3.

I never followed the series, but, yeah, I can dig that.

 

[sooo]

Miss Piggy's sounding better all the time... I know I'll never be able to NOT think of her now each time I receive 44. Interesting personality: entitled, spoiled, ready and able to lay some karate on some poor little green dude.

 

[bradford]

Brad, how does this enter into your view of 44?

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=8682

I've always found it difficult to extract a positive meaning from the position you always take on 44. There seems no give to the benefit of this hexagram experience from you, that I've ever been able to discern. It's an automatic 'tie up the maiden', rather than simply not marrying her. Heaven ought not fear the wind.

Remember that this is metaphor, much of the time at least. There are great opportunities for dissipation in other places as well as erotic encounter. This just happens to be the most potent example to use for a literary device. Faced with these opportunities, restraint has to be in the right measure. There's too much restraint in use in line 4 and all encounter is avoided, no more fish in the sea for this poor slob. For him it's chastity, "the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions." In line 6, too much dedication to the work has made the guy just plain mean. He really, really needs to get laid, or the metaphorical equivalent. The point is simply to use the proper restraint in order to get to the right time and place. To paraphrase Nietzsche, Looking aside can be your only negation. But in the initial judgment, the wu in wu yong is the negative imperative Don't. It's serious counsel because the urges to dissolution are serious urges. There are few things more powerful than entropy.

Presumably the ongoing upside of 44 is that in the act of restraining yourself you can get on with a life of higher purposes and the rewards you get from that. Aside from that, the only truly positive-sounding line is 5, where the melons have been kept under wraps until they are perfectly ripe, and now at last you can enjoy your gift from heaven.