Impeachment inquiry: 35.6 to 16

[Fanofenka]

News of Pelosi thinking about impeachment came out. However, it's unlikely Trump will be impeached for now.

What will the endgame for the impeachment inquiry be? 35.6 Advancing to 16 Enthusiasm.
Line 6 says, "Advancing with your horns. Holding fast, use this to subjugate the city. Danger, good fortune, not a mistake. Constancy: shame." Does this mean that Democrats will be fighting like hell to stop the GOP?
Are the changing hexagrams mean that it will go forward and it will triumph?

 

[foxx777]

News of Pelosi thinking about impeachment came out. However, it's unlikely Trump will be impeached for now.

What will the endgame for the impeachment inquiry be? 35.6 Advancing to 16 Enthusiasm.
Line 6 says, "Advancing with your horns. Holding fast, use this to subjugate the city. Danger, good fortune, not a mistake. Constancy: shame." Does this mean that Democrats will be fighting like hell to stop the GOP?
Are the changing hexagrams mean that it will go forward and it will triumph?

I’ve been wondering a lot about this because of all the articles I’m seeing on the Trump/Ukraine/Biden scandal. I was even going to do a shared reading on it before I saw this.

35.6 >16

From Eclectic I Ching:
Not sure what this means for the Democrats, whom the oracle is obviously addressing. They’ve threatened impeachment once, perhaps shouldn’t pursue it again ?

35. Progress
Line 6:
Progressing with one's horns,
used only to reprove the city.
Danger.
Good fortune,
without fault.
Persistence is inadequate.
Being aggressive to reprove someone. This is dangerous, but things go well. It is not a mistake if done just once. But going on with this is not a good idea.

Further from DeKorne: All seem to indicate impeachment is not a wise path??


Legge: The sixth line, dynamic, shows one advancing his horns. But he only uses them to punish the rebellious people in his own city. The position is perilous, but there will be good fortune. Yet, however firm and correct he may be, there will be occasion for regret.

Wilhelm/Baynes: Making progress with the horns is permissible only for the purpose of punishing one's own city. To be conscious of danger brings good fortune. No blame. Perseverance brings humiliation.

Blofeld: He advances as with lowered horns, intent solely upon subduing the cities of his enemies. Whether his affairs go awry or prosper, he is not in error, but for him to persist thus would involve him in ignominy

Liu: Progressing to the horns. It is only in order to chastise his own city. Awareness of danger brings fortune and no blame. To continue brings humiliation.

Ritsema/Karcher: Prospering: one's horns. Holding-fast avails-of subjugating the capital. Adversity significant, without fault. Trial: abashment.

Shaughnessy: Aquatic his horns; it is only to be used to attack the city; danger; auspicious; there is no trouble; determination is distressful.

Cleary (1): Advancing the horns; this requires conquering one’s domain.

There is danger, but it bodes well, so there will be no blame. But even though correct it is humiliating.

Cleary (2): … Hard work leads to good results, without blame; but even though correct, one is humiliated. [Since one was unable to govern oneself early on, and only now has been capable of self-mastery, even though it is correct, it is still humiliating.]

Wu: He advances with his horns to quell disturbances of his town. Although he makes a risky move, he is not in error. His insistence is nevertheless regrettable.

 

[Trojina]

News of Pelosi thinking about impeachment came out. However, it's unlikely Trump will be impeached for now.

What will the endgame for the impeachment inquiry be? 35.6 Advancing to 16 Enthusiasm.
Line 6 says, "Advancing with your horns. Holding fast, use this to subjugate the city. Danger, good fortune, not a mistake. Constancy: shame." Does this mean that Democrats will be fighting like hell to stop the GOP?
Are the changing hexagrams mean that it will go forward and it will triumph?

Well what do you think ?

 

[Fanofenka]

Foxx, are you saying that it has to be done right?

 

[foxx777]

Foxx, are you saying that it has to be done right?

That’s what the Yi appears to be saying. Too much perseverance in that direction will bring humiliation and misfortune is the general idea which every commentator seems to be saying. I’d take this to mean that the Democrats can’t be rash and need firm evidence before taking any action.

 

[rosada]

Impeachment doesn't kick him out, it just opens an investigation. If it is decided that there was some wrong doing then the Senate votes on whether he should be removed from office. As there are more Republicans in the Senate than Democrats it is likely he will not be removed so perhaps that is what is meant by "humiliation" - impeachment is appropriate but it doesn't lead to his being removed from office.

 

[foxx777]

Impeachment doesn't kick him out, it just opens an investigation. If it is decided that there was some wrong doing then the Senate votes on whether he should be removed from office. As there are more Republicans in the Senate than Democrats it is likely he will not be removed so perhaps that is what is meant by "humiliation" - impeachment is appropriate but it doesn't lead to his being removed from office.

That’s a valid point. However there are many moderates and never-Trumper republicans who might easily vote for impeachment. Many GOP commentators are predicting his successful impeachment and removal from office. Perhaps the humiliation would be Pence 2020?

 

[Fanofenka]

Turns out that is enough members to start the impeachment process. I heard from YouTube tarot readers saying that the Senate will willing to go with impeachment and Graham will give Trump an opportunity to resign.

 

[Freedda]

It seems to me that this might be saying that Trump will use his influence to avoid any blame or charges - that he will be able to 'trade' or barter his way out. This might also be saying that this could backfire on those Democrats who are trying to seek punishment for, or revenge on Trump - maybe by losing their standing in their home districts? Whatever the outcome, it will likely serve to further divide our country.

But maybe the more important lesson here is that whenever we bring our prejudices to a reading - be it against Chinese people, or Asians, or blacks, or Jews, or even Trump - that our question and our answer will only reflect our own prejudices, and will likely only tell us what we want to hear (or that's all we'll be able or willing to hear).

D.

 

[Sixth Relative]

An illusion of advance. The advancement of an illusion.

You don't use the horns to fight the enemy but your own city. Then, this has more to do with the inner agenda for the nomination of the Democrat party than to actually depose Trump.

Good fortune, no blame. Then, the move does work for the internal agenda.

Humiliation. The impeachment may reinforce Trump at the end.

 

[foxx777]

An illusion of advance. The advancement of an illusion.

You don't use the horns to fight the enemy but your own city. Then, this has more to do with the inner agenda for the nomination of the Democrat party than to actually depose Trump.

Good fortune, no blame. Then, the move does work for the internal agenda.

Humiliation. The impeachment may reinforce Trump at the end.

Yes, I think you’re correct.

 

[Fanofenka]

The impeachment may reinforce Trump at the end.

Does this mean it will help him in the 2020 elections?

 

[moss elk]

An illusion....

I feel 'illusion' is a bad name for 16 (22 is closer to illusion), since only one of the lines could even be in the ballpark of meaning of illusion. (16.3) The Image, Judgement. and other 5 lines do not reference illusion in any way.

Enthusiasm is much closer to the target of 16's meaning. Thunder that Springs forth from the people.

 

[rosada]

Making progress with the horns is permissible only for punishing one's own city.

Soo...It is permissible to go after the president of one's own country.

To be conscious of danger brings good fortune. No blame.

Soo..It was good we've been made aware that Trump may have been attempting to manipulate a foreign power for his own political benefit. No blame in making inquiries.

Perseverance brings humiliation.

Soo.. while there is no blame in going after Trump, still if the Democrats pursue this inquiry some things will come to light that will also be humiliating for them. I'm thinking that perhaps something will come out about Hunter Biden's involvement. Perhaps he was not so completely innocent after all.

I've experienced 16.Enthusiasm as depicting large public gatherings. I think we're being alerted this inquiry is gonna be a three ring circus!

 

[Lavalamp]

I think 35.6 refers to a situation where applying your aggresssion towards yourself is the only good choice. And even then, not too much or you just hurt yourself. The hex excludes the concept of directing it at others.
The advice I give my boys is use your anger for self improvement. You can't just dump all your negative emotions on everyone else. But you can be somewhat constructive and use it drive efforts at self discipline, working out, exercising, pushing yourself to be excellent. But if you constantly blame yourself, you hurt yourself - so try to moderate.
Maybe this is the Yi's advice for angry Democrats here. Work on your own (Sanctuary) city. Improve your own party, and learn from your past mistakes. Hey - everyone gets angry. But be constructive. Destruction is easy, building is hard.
- LL

 

[diamanda]

@Fanofenka please take care in how you form your questions. Most of them are quite vague, many are pre-emptying the answer, hence there's not much value in trying to answer them. The question on this thread makes no sense to me. Try asking more straightforward questions. You don't have to, just a suggestion.